Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Brentos » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:14 pm

DrVolin wrote:Although I do think that the collapse of building 7 is highly suspicious, I don't see anything unusual or smoking-gunnesque about the phone call. Guys like Silverstein or Trump typically operate with a great deal of debt, fairly immobile assets, and just enough liquidity to service the debt. Their empire prospers or falls on the confidence others have in their ability to make the next payment. With 2 buildings down and a third one on fire, he would have been concerned to get his cash flow going as soon as possilbe, and I am not surprised that he was on the phone with his insurer within hours (minutes?) of the plane strikes. He was understandably eager to learn whether the insurer would total building 7 (relatively quick payout in cash) or try to save it (relatively slow payout for contracted work performed). Silverstein would have been trying to convince the insurer to total it, and if he could get them to commit to it before adequate information was available, all the better. Does that mean he was planning to collapse the building that afternoon or able to do it? No. It means he was trying to convince his insurer that the building should be collapsed as soon as practicable, so within weeks or a couple of months at the outside.

Does the above mean that WTC7 was not a CD? No. But it does mean that the phone call is not particularly relevant to the investigation.


But Mr Volin, the insurance claim timing is Huge. And it doesn't take an insurer to realise that. Common sense really. Doesnt prove much alone, but dots are appearing more grand than the milky-way.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:19 pm

apologydue:

My "circumstances" are that I actually think the things I write. Fancy that.

But good heavens, don't wear yourself out!

But please take a minute, just so I know what I'm dealing with, and as what I'm sure you will agree is a service to anyone new reading this:

What would you name as the best handful of resources establishing your case beyond doubt that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives, or otherwise demolished intentionally, or brought down by something other than plane crashes plus fires? Sites, articles, books, video - just name a couple, I won't bother you after that.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Brentos » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:23 pm

JackRiddler wrote:apologydue:

My "circumstances" are that I actually think the things I write. Fancy that.

But good heavens, don't wear yourself out!

But please take a minute, just so I know what I'm dealing with, and as what I'm sure you will agree is a service to anyone new reading this:

What would you name as the best handful of resources establishing your case beyond doubt that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives, or otherwise demolished intentionally, or brought down by something other than plane crashes plus fires? Sites, articles, books, video - just name a couple, I won't bother you after that.


I dunno ask 17 Senses? Reach into the Honeypot? Take this site seriously anymore? Take crack jack? riddle me that?
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Nordic » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:50 pm

JackRiddler wrote:What would you name as the best handful of resources establishing your case beyond doubt that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives, or otherwise demolished intentionally, or brought down by something other than plane crashes plus fires? Sites, articles, books, video - just name a couple, I won't bother you after that.



I'm not the one you're addressing, but as far as WTC7 goes, I'd have to volunteer to say "my eyes".

You can't watch WTC7 go down and seriously consider that it's anything but a controlled demolition.

Unless you REALLY want to do some mental and logical gymnastics based on a refusal to acknowledge what is right in front of you.

Hell, the NIST couldn't even come up with a decent explanation as to why it fell down the way it did. And they finally had to admit that it did, in fact, fall at free-fall speeds for part of its descent.

I know, I know, we go through this every so often, page after page ....
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Jeff » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:55 pm

I wish that Nordic wrote:I can't watch WTC7 go down and seriously consider that it's anything but a controlled demolition.


My own I, after serious consideration, sees something else.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby apologydue » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:56 pm

What would you name as the best handful of resources establishing your case beyond doubt that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives, or otherwise demolished intentionally, or brought down by something other than plane crashes plus fires? Sites, articles, books, video - just name a couple, I won't bother you after that.



You promise? Because quite frankly i'm tired of blogging and seriously planning to spend more time in the sunshine. Armchair pontificating is no fun anymore. I'd like to grow old without being a Wackenhut client. :D

Jack, in all honesty, I can't remember the most influential sites, videos, and information that educates common sense to the fact that the illusion is not complete. Give me some time to think about it. The blizzard of information is still just too many and too persuasive. If the quo would just go ahead and erase this stuff from the internet screen humanity would be better off because a bigger and more convincing display would not be neccessary. Humanity wouldn't have to weather the nuclear fall out of a bigger show if they would just plug the info. Maybe someone should pass this attitude up the line. I'll get some heat, probably, from some on this site for saying that, but reality is reality. And the reality is that current humanity is no match for the quo. The technology is just too great now. (ouch the pain ray hurts)

We both know that one of two things have to happen. Kids have internet access and the new generation is learning more than the quo wants them to know. Either the quo is going to have to erase the info or the new kids have to endure their own display of how serious the quo is.

As much as it pains me, the best option is to get rid of the info so that the new generation does not have to live in the fallout of a nuclear winter. Sad but true. I'm sure erasing the info is on the drawing board because its happening everyday, and i'm surprised its taken this long quite frankly. The big machine moves slowly though.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby sunny » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:10 pm

If the phone call actually happened it can prove WTC7 was already rigged. Or did Silverstein think he had time to call in demolition experts and have them rig explosives--in an unstable structure-- before the "imminent" uncontrolled collapse of the building?

There is so much backscratching among the financial overlords it's no big mystery why the ins. co. authorized a payout, whether or not they gave the go ahead for Silverstein to 'pull it'. All Silverstein and company cared about in the years following 9/11 is that the idea of CD on that dreadful day was vehemently denied and not allowed to take root among the general population. Plenty of media puppets helping them on that score by keeping the CD truthers boxed neatly away and put in a corner while encouraging everyone else to laugh and point at the crazies.

Now one of his friends tells us he has it on good authority that Mr. Silverstein did in fact at least consider pulling the building because allowing it to collapse on it's own would exponentially multiply the disaster already in progress.

We can SEE with our own eyes WTC7 didn't collapse on it's own. We can SEE the disaster was not exponentially multiplied by the building toppling over onto adjacent buildings nor did it catch scores of first responders unawares. Under the circumstances the collapse of WTC7 caused little more damage than was absolutely necessary.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Nordic » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:14 pm

Jeff wrote:
I wish that Nordic wrote:I can't watch WTC7 go down and seriously consider that it's anything but a controlled demolition.


My own I, after serious consideration, sees something else.


What do you see? A terribly engineered and built building? If it was anything other than controlled demolition, we should tear down every damn highrise in North America and replace them with something that won't collapse so easily. It's like "The Three Little Pigs" when the wolf showed up.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Simulist » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:27 pm

Even if controlled demolition were proven — beyond a shadow of a doubt! — would it really make any difference in the larger scheme of things?

Probably not. (Although I used to think it would.)

Lots of terrible truths about this nation have been unearthed and then proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, and it hasn't changed the national bankruptcy-making, imperialistic trajectory of this country. We're still hurtling towards the abyss with the same people in charge, even after numerous proven revelations that show — with nauseating clarity — that this simply isn't the nation we were taught that it was "then" or that we're supposed to believe that it is now.

If 9/11 really was an inside job — and a proven inside job! — comparatively few will care.

How can anyone really doubt that? There's always American idol. Or internet porn. Or televangelism. Or some other equally damned distraction. (I apologize for placing internet porn and televangelism next to American Idol; such a "cultural beacon" doesn't deserve the guilt by association.)

So all the facts can be laid bare (yet again), and hashed out. We can each cook up the most vile curse to hurl at each other for not seeing "the truth," and the only thing this might accomplish is a possible (and very negligible) increase in sales for Prilosec sometime before bedtime tonight.

And none of it will make an ant's hill worth of difference.



EDIT: Fixed typo.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Jeff » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:32 pm

I no longer love the sound of my own typing enough to restate my thinking every six months on demolition and Building 7.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby 23 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:35 pm

I am not an engineer, nor I do play one one television or the Internet.

But I am intimately familiar with time. Most of us are.

So the one thing that, thus far, convinces me that WTC 7 was deliberately destroyed by human hands... is this clip of the BBC reporting that it went down 23 minutes before did.



I have yet to see or read a credible explanation for this back-to-the-future broadcast.

How WTC 7 was brought down is a matter for more qualified technical personnel to discuss.

But that it was deliberately brought down by human hands... is an unquestionable conclusion for me.

Unless Christopher Lloyd was employed by them then, of course.

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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Nordic » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:37 pm

Jeff wrote:I no longer love the sound of my own typing enough to restate my thinking every six months on demolition and Building 7.



Well at least that comment is funny.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Brentos » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:56 pm

Simulist wrote:Even if controlled demolition were proven — beyond a shadow of a doubt! — would it really make any difference in the larger scheme of things?

Probably not. (Although I used to think it would.)



Anyone coming here must be laughing their tits off. CD is proven.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby barracuda » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:58 pm

I'm personally chuckling a bit at the thought that you may actually believe you're adding something to the conversation.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Brentos » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:03 pm

barracuda wrote:I'm personally chuckling a bit at the thought that you may actually believe you're adding something to the conversation.


If you are referring to me I'm chuckling that you actually had to say that, since it possessed some value for you to express it to me.
So we are both laughing.
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