Israel's Enabler in the U. S.

[lightningBugout]

And like I said, you're all highly intelligent grown-ups who can decide for yourselves whether or not to throw this baby out with the bath water.

[Nordic]

But, it seems like there might actually be something to the premise that Wiesel stole another man's identity, and I'm afraid that you're not going to find a story about that at CNN.

And like I said, you're all highly intelligent grown-ups who can decide for yourselves whether or not to throw this baby out with the bath water.

I would disagree. I don't think there's a baby there at all. There's a suggestion of a baby, but there's no evidence, really, that the baby is real. It's all just heresay.

[Bruce Dazzling]

But, it seems like there might actually be something to the premise that Wiesel stole another man's identity, and I'm afraid that you're not going to find a story about that at CNN.

And like I said, you're all highly intelligent grown-ups who can decide for yourselves whether or not to throw this baby out with the bath water.

I would disagree. I don't think there's a baby there at all. There's a suggestion of a baby, but there's no evidence, really, that the baby is real. It's all just heresay.

That's fine, Nordic. As I suggested, you've read the article and judged the evidence for yourself. That's all we can do with any article posted anywhere.

Unless I missed something though, the article that I linked to was a bit tasteless, but didn't deny the holocaust. Upon a more thorough examination, one discovers that the story links to other sites that DO deny the holocaust, and for that, I apologize, as it violates the rules of the board. However, those sites exist whether we link to them or not, so I'm really not sure that forbidding reference to them really gets us anywhere.

Finally, I was posting a story about Elie Wiesel stealing the identity of a holocaust survivor, not a story about denying the holocaust.

If it truly offended anyone, I apologize.

[17breezes]

"so I'm really not sure that forbidding reference to them really gets us anywhere."

Trying to get a foot in the door here, Bruce?

[Bruce Dazzling]

"so I'm really not sure that forbidding reference to them really gets us anywhere."

Trying to get a foot in the door here, Bruce?

Nope.

I've explained myself and the reason why I posted what I posted. It's all above in its complete and total context for anyone who wishes to read it, so I don't know what you think you're gaining by selectively quoting me and making an oh so subtle accusation.

Oh, wait, I do have a pretty good idea of what you think you're gaining.

Listen, breezer, we could ban kneejerk Israel apologists, but at the end of the day, that really wouldn't get us anywhere either, and I DO recognize your right to have your say.

But having said that, I've already explained myself and apologized once. Can we move on?

[Jeff]

Barracuda and I have been reviewing the link, and while the rhetoric is certainly provocative it looks to us more like anti-Zionist agitprop than anti-semitic hate speech. We haven't found an example of Holocaust denial, so if anyone has, please forward it to either of us and we'll reconsider our evaluation.

[lightningBugout]

Barracuda and I have been reviewing the link, and while the rhetoric is certainly provocative it looks to us more like anti-Zionist agitprop than anti-semitic hate speech. We haven't found an example of Holocaust denial, so if anyone has, please forward it to either of us and we'll reconsider our evaluation.

I'm surprised by this.

I am not convinced that anti-Zionist has a singular enough meaning to be effectively counter-posed with anti-Semitism. Holocaust denial aside, strawman or otherwise, are there not forms of sophisticated agitprop in which the portrayal of "zionism" has certain historical / metaphysical connotations that are far more meaningfully anti-semitic than puerile "jew" mocking cartoons? Isn't the danger of resurgent anti-semitism in precisely places like the site in questions - ones that (literally) act as a *link* between progressive intellectuals (ala RI) and "synagogue of satan" material? I posted that Hussein Ibish dialogue in response to this here posting yesterday in part because it pushes the importance of differentiating different meanings of "Zionism" specifically as they are constructed by "its" opponents.

Might a different metric be possible? One that involved, for example, looking at the degrees of separation (via linkage, unidirectional of course, given that one can't control who links to his site) between a questionable site and an outright hate site.

[17breezes]

Barracuda and I have been reviewing the link, and while the rhetoric is certainly provocative it looks to us more like anti-Zionist agitprop than anti-semitic hate speech. We haven't found an example of Holocaust denial, so if anyone has, please forward it to either of us and we'll reconsider our evaluation.

Well he speaks well of and links to Carolyn Yeager who is a revisionist who wrote :

Auschwitz: The Underground Guided Tour

What the Tour Guides Don’t Tell You at Auschwitz-Birkenau



by Carolyn Yeager

Published by The Barnes Review

You will be astonished as the author takes you on a “guided tour”

around Auschwitz-Birkenau and demonstrates it to have been a simple labor,

concentration and transit camp for political prisoners, where the health of the

inmates was a prime concern of the authorities. Lavishly illustrated.

The rule did say

including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such,

so I did feel it contravened your rule.

[Jeff]

Well he speaks well of and links to Carolyn Yeager who is a revisionist ... The rule did say

including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such,

so I did feel it contravened your rule.

Thanks, I stand corrected.

[hava1]

My holocaust is sicker than your holocaust. Is not. Is so. Oh wait, not to worry, a new and sickest of the sick holocausts is coming to a reality near you soon. May you be old enough to die in your doting sleep before it happens. Seeing your children, your parents, your best friends slaughtered before your eyes...women raped, then beaten to death to save on bullets. Hundreds of millions of people running away from famine, rising black tides, disease and madness. No one should ever allow themselves to become anybody's poster boy. As far as Ellie goes I liked Zalman. The trouble is if you believe in the bible (Torah) or any of that stuff (Gita, Kuran, Marvel Comix, etc) as literal truth, you are bound to make a complete unwitting ass of yourself for the benefit of some political machination one day. Israel has many enablers, so does Hizzbollah. They are both addicted to war, hatred and stupidity.
Just like us.

hi there, what an interesting username, i knew only one person with this real life nick name, he lived in jerusalem and was an artist and a computer wizkid.