Space.com article SUPPORTS Cydonia research

[82_28]

No. Because subjectivity is the new objectivity. EXACTLY what Sagan warned against in the "Candle in the Dark". He wasn't trying to be a fuck know it all that tried to put people in their places -- he was dying of cancer at the time. He was warning each and every one of us to remain skeptical, objective and somehow also maintain our humanity. I will always carry that fuckers mantra and ways with me until the day I die.

As far as I am concerned, this thread is fucked, because I am in a bad mood. A friend died. Blah blah blah. But I will never, ever, put up with Carl Sagan criticism from pseudo scientific rabble rousers. Subjectively, he has been a hero of mine since kindergarten. I am 35 now. I have read everything by him, left and right hundreds of times. Everything. I love the man. But he taught me objectivity whilst always being a subject. He taught the difference. He taught why you need to wake the fuck up, Mr. Knife. If you can't wake up, read his "Dragons of Eden". He was on your side dude. And so am I. Sagan, was a brilliant, brilliant man -- a total genius in every way. An honest writer. Just the fucking best humanity has to offer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dragons_of_Eden

Did he say "BELIEVE ME?" Fuck no. He said, consider. And because I am in a bad mood, let me say, I will never put up with any Sagan slander from pseudo scientists.



And for the record, he is the reason I am in love with turtlenecks and wear them every chance I get. Even though the industry doesn't like to make them the way they used to.

I call for Carl Sagan Chic and I will be opening a store once I win the lottery.

[82_28]

Sagan and Hoagland were friends back in the day too btw. The both worked with JPL on various space probe missions and such. Sagan references him in his earlier work.

If Sagan were alive today, I only wonder what his web presence would be. Perhaps he would have lost his mind by now, like the rest of us.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Sorry to hear about your friend man.

[stefano]

Mauna Kea is at 19°49'N. Anyway, let's say it's at 19°47'. If the double tetrahedron had significance there would be interesting things happening where the other eges touch the sphere, at 90°, 180° and 270° in either direction from Mauna Kea. The longitude at Mauna Kea is 155°W. At 19°47'N and 65°W is a spot in the Atlantic north of Puerto Rico, looks like some kind of trench. At 19°47'N and 25°E is absolutely fuck-all, it's a spot in the stony Sahara in north-west Sudan. And at 19°47'N and 115°E is even more fuck-all, it's in the Pacific about 4 000km southeast of Japan. This theory has flaws.

I also agree with barracuda that the point of greatest energy release from a spinning sphere would be at its equator, don't see how it could be otherwise. This is the reason the Earth is not quite a perfect sphere, it bulges at the equator (does this affect the shape of the tetrahedrons?).

Also lodging a pro-forma objection to the Eurocentrism inherent in fussing over 19°47' North, as though North is special.

[Simulist]

[82_28]

In fact, Mr. Knife, there could be a very good chance that the images of Cydonia came from Sagan's prodding to have it see the light of day. I don't know for sure. But it is certainly possible if not probable.

Thanks, Joe. He wasn't a total friend. Just an old timer at this bar I go to.

[MaxtheKnife]

But Max....As I'm sure you know, there are quite a few mathematicians who have done that work (in response to Hoagland) and been utterly unimpressed by it.

Actually... no they haven't 'done the work'... not a one.

Due to their recognition that if you just draw a certain number of intersecting lines between a certain number of topographical features on a photograph, you'll create a certain number of angles, from which it's very easy to infer tetrahedrons in spheres, and patterns involving constant numbers and ratios and so forth and so on.

Prove it...

Where does one even begin?

At Cydonia... it all begins with one rather basic assumption ...

... based on the most ancient science of all... not just geometry....

Tetrahedral, i.e., SACRED Geometry


So the notion that one can find the same complicated framework on (lol) 'any' photograph isn't just fallacious reasoning...

It's straight up denial and a slap in the face of everything science is supposed to stand for.

[barracuda]

At Cydonia... it all begins with one rather basic assumption ...

Yes. The assumption that this looks like a face:

[MaxtheKnife]

Strawman...

[barracuda]

No, it's not. Every amateur xenoarchaeological study of Cydonia stems from the "discovery"
of the face. Show me one that did not.

[slimmouse]

Mauna Kea is at 19°49'N. Anyway, let's say it's at 19°47'. If the double tetrahedron had significance there would be interesting things happening where the other eges touch the sphere, at 90°, 180° and 270° in either direction from Mauna Kea. The longitude at Mauna Kea is 155°W. At 19°47'N and 65°W is a spot in the Atlantic north of Puerto Rico, looks like some kind of trench. At 19°47'N and 25°E is absolutely fuck-all, it's a spot in the stony Sahara in north-west Sudan. And at 19°47'N and 115°E is even more fuck-all, it's in the Pacific about 4 000km southeast of Japan. This theory has flaws.

I also agree with barracuda that the point of greatest energy release from a spinning sphere would be at its equator, don't see how it could be otherwise. This is the reason the Earth is not quite a perfect sphere, it bulges at the equator (does this affect the shape of the tetrahedrons?).

Also lodging a pro-forma objection to the Eurocentrism inherent in fussing over 19°47' North, as though North is special.

I , meanwhile will assume that you are attempting to be serious.

lets leave it at that.

Good luck to you in all your endeavours.

on edit ; next news is you will be attempting to convince people that Mount Hebron doesnt actually sit at 33 degrees latitude and 33 degrees longitude.

Ill leave that at that also.

[barracuda]

Actually... no they haven't 'done the work'... not a one.

http://www.math.washington.edu/~greenber/DMPyramid.html

[slimmouse]

Actually... no they haven't 'done the work'... not a one.

http://www.math.washington.edu/~greenber/DMPyramid.html

im rather curious as to why people try and complicate all this stuff beyond common understanding.

Its all there in plain sight.

I guess thats why huh ?

[Belligerent Savant]

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...the appetite of a madman can never be sated.

NOTHING will deter The Knife from the 'truth' that is The LIGHT.

but a few of us continue to attempt to do so -- 11 pages of attempts and counting...

Actually, not sure you folks have seen the most recent photo of that face on Mars, by the way; taken with the most sophisticated, state-of-the-art, gourmet imaging tools:

[barracuda]

im rather curious as to why people try and complicate all this stuff beyond common understanding.

Its all there in plain sight.

I guess thats why huh ?

Well, slim, as Max stated early on in the thread,

I'm sorry, but I'm not here to "save you a great deal of time".

The material is complicated and interconnected.

As is typical w/ most worth while things there is no short cut.

So at least according to Max, the information requires a great deal of effort to understand. Too much effort for most, I'd say. I mean, really, who has the time or inclination to recreate Max's steps along the way to his personal discovery of what he thinks are a series of mirrored faces, each with specific symbolic intent? And let's face it - the relationship between e' and π is a fairly sophiticated one that doesn't simply jump out at you looking over a satellite photo of Cydonia.

Your post in response to stefano doesn't help matters. He performed a bit of research in order to to intelligently discuss the 19°49' issue, and your response was a rude dismissal rather than a reasoned response or refutation as to in what way his thinking is flawed in your opinion. Your attitude seems very dogmatic and similar to Max's in this way. You won't win hearts and minds with curt, self-satisfied insults. But perhaps you don't want to, or are tired of trying. That would be understandable, to me at least. But probably not to most people.