Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby The Consul » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:07 pm

Many good comments and links in this thread. For me there are many unanswered questions regarding the attack on the flotilla. The question I do not see being addressed by Israel or the media is why the assault was made in international waters. Israeli security forces may have questionable strategic goals but their tactical execution is usually among the most precise in the world. Israel only makes (and admits) mistakes as a cover up for their actual intention.
If they were unafraid to fire on the USS Liberty 40 plus years ago, and thereby risk the woeful wrath of the United States, why would they hesitate to attack a rag tag bunch of politically motivated people on boats and risk what…? The woeful wrath of Turkey? The U.N. NATO?
The boarding from above as seen on the you tubes is ridiculous. What commander would give the order to board in a mass of an angry top deck mob? The staging area must have minimal diameter clearance or there is no drop without critical mission failure, unless of course the mission is not what it would seem.
We have no context of the released footage. Why were the people on the boat so angry? Not a duh question....they were BEYOND pissed. Did they not fear reprisal from the “Israeli Seals” (notice the sympathetic, heroic Americanization of one side)? Who were the people on top of the boat?
Now I might be inclined to think that among them it would actually be unlikely that Israel did not have some intelligence assets aboard. Such asset(s) could have served as provocateur. Just like the ATF had a man inside at Waco. Which in itself can only tangentially be described as an accident but universally accepted as a "tragic loss of life."
I have a hard time thinking this was some kind of botched operation. Tactically they do not make these kinds of mistakes. There is sufficient evidence to suggest the firing on the USS Liberty was indeed no accident. They were sending a clear and unmistakable message. What was that message?
The fact this happened in international waters seems to me to be a message that Israel will not be fettered by international law or any sense of international community. Just in case anyone has forgotten. Who would that be? Hillary Clinton? Nah, she already knows that. Who is there audience? They will make this message known in spite of whatever damage it does to her image. Remember, too, what happened the same day Joe Biden arrived in Israel to partake in the “jumpstarting” of the “peace process.”
Israel is a bold and wild poker player. They are fearless, and part of that fearlessness is justified by their sponsor in the security council and the fact that there is an entire gang of Israeli apologists in the American media (Krauthammer, Goldberg, Derschowitz, Kristol etc) but there is not a like gang of opposing view with a view to fair and balanced from say Laila Alhussini, Ray Hanania or Louise A. Cainkar. It is like Palestinians are not allowed existence in the Corporatist Media other than as human shields and breeding hives for terrorists.
Message control on the incident so far is proceding according to standard plan. #1 Delay, suppress and/or contort direct witness accounts. #2 Demonize the victim. #3 Victimize the Agressor #4 Lament the “tragedy” (who’s tragedy is it?…it is like a lamentable event with no protagonist who makes impossible choices based on certain character strengths and flaws). #5 In the face of “global outrage” peak out from behind the veil of sovereignty a dignified face and hand action that leaves no doubt that you’d do it again, but probably with torpedoes to sink the whole lot of the sorry bastards in a tragic loss of life.
What is the sanity of this approach? Israel considers herself in a state of war. From her perspective (and I don’t mean all people in Israel, just the wargods in the govt) any and all actions in defense of its sovereignty is justifiable. Sanity is not a factor.
Sound familiar? We are no better than Israel. We are arguably much much worse.
Oh pray dear friends to end the "tragic loss of life." Chose your god, and then your weapon....
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby elfismiles » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:08 pm

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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Nordic » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:09 pm

Consul, I agree, the whole thing has a stench to it ...
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Sweejak » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:13 pm

Good one.

It is tragically fitting that this disaster should happen on Memorial Day in the US.
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:34 pm

Another one of the protesters:

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/crime- ... ck-sweden/

Crime writer Mankell held in Israel after aid boat attack: Sweden

By Agence France-Presse
Monday, May 31st, 2010 -- 3:56 pm
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STOCKHOLM — Swedish crime writer Henning Mankell, author of the Wallander detective series, is one of nine Swedes held in Israel Monday after landing from a Gaza-bound aid flotilla attacked by Israeli commandos, Sweden's foreign ministry said.

Mankell "has been detained ... In all, nine Swedes have been detained," ministry spokesman Anders Joerle told AFP, adding that they were not all being held at the same place and some had been imprisoned while others had simply been taken into custody.

"I think Henning Mankell is just being held in custody. I'm not sure. The Israelis have him in some kind of detention," he said.

Some of the Swedes had been very slightly injured, Joerle said, adding that some Swedes believed to have been travelling with the flotilla when it was attacked early Monday had yet to be reached.

The nine Swedes have reportedly been given the choice between accepting to be deported or to be tried in an Israeli court.
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Earlier Monday evening, the foreign ministry countered a rumour set in motion at an anti-Israel demonstration in Oslo that Mankell had been shot in the attack, which left at least nine pro-Palestinian activists dead.

The 62-year-old author of the Wallander detective series joined the flotilla from Cyprus by way of smaller boats "after almost 48 hours of playing hide-and-seek with Cypriot police," Ship to Gaza Sweden said in a statement.

Mankell, whose books about world-weary detective Kurt Wallander have sold more than 25 million copies worldwide and have been adapted to film and television, said he was taking part in the flotilla to show his solidarity towards the Palestinian people.

"I think that when one talks about solidarity, one must always know that actions are what proves destiny," he told Swedish public radio last Thursday.

"It is with actions that we prove we are ready to support something we believe is important," he said.

In addition to Mankell, Ship to Gaza Sweden said nine Swedes were in the flotilla when it was attacked, including controversial Swedish-Israeli artist Dror Feiler, a parliamentarian and several doctors and academics.

The ships, carrying more than 700 passengers, were on a mission to deliver some 10,000 tonnes of supplies to Gaza, which has been under a crippling Israeli blockade since 2007.

Israel had warned the attempt to break the blockade was illegal and that it would intercept the ships.




Another very interesting guy. Here's some of his wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_Mankell

Mankell was born in Stockholm, Sweden, and grew up in Sveg (Härjedalen) and Borås (Västergötland). Mankell's father Ivar was a judge and his grandfather, also called Henning Mankell (1868–1930), was a composer. At the age of 20 he already started a career as author and assistant director at the Riks Theater in Stockholm. In the following years he collaborated with several theaters in Sweden.

In his youth Mankell was a left-wing political activist and a strong opponent of the Vietnam War, South African apartheid and Portugal's colonial war in Mozambique. In the 1970s Mankell moved from Sweden to Norway and lived with a Norwegian woman who was a member of the Maoist Communist Labor Party of Norway. Mankell took part in the party's activities but never himself joined the party.[1]

After living in Zambia and other African countries, Henning Mankell was invited to become the artistic director of Teatro Avenida in Maputo, the capital of Mozambique. He now spends at least half the year in Maputo working with the theatre and writing. Recently he built up his own publishing house (Leopard Förlag) in order to support young talents from Africa and Sweden.

He is married to Eva Bergman, daughter of Ingmar Bergman. On 12 June 2008 he was awarded an honorary Doctorate from the University of St Andrews in Scotland.[2]

Mankell recently donated 15 million Swedish kronor to SOS Children's Villages for a village for homeless children in Mozambique. Mankell has said he's giving away half of his income to charity causes.

Mankell developed two original stories for German cop show Tatort. Actor Axel Milberg, who portrays Inspector Klaus Borowski, had asked Mankell to contribute to the show as the two were promoting The Chinaman audio book, a project that Milberg had worked on. The episodes will be broadcast in Germany in 2010.[3][4]

Mankell is set to work on a screenplay for Sveriges Television about his father-in-law, the famous movie and theatre director Ingmar Bergman during 2010 and the series will be produced in four one-hour episodes. Production is planned for 2011. Mankell pitched the project to Sveriges Television and will include international co-producers/financiers.[5]

Henning Mankell was on board the flotilla which tried to break the Israeli embargo of the Gaza strip.[6] Following the Israeli armed forces' boarding of the flotilla on the morning of 31 May 2010, in which up to 19 flotilla members were killed. Mankell has been reported unharmed.[7]
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:43 pm

elfismiles wrote:FYI - I have been requested to remove the bumper sticker upthread that features a dead child. I would do so immediately, however, as I explained to our host, I can not do so because of the system-site/owner-moderator setting that limits the number of days before a post becomes uneditable.

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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:36 pm

In addition to the Swedes, I see that "dozens" of the convoy members were Greek, and 16 were Kuwaiti, including an MP. I would assume that the more international the makeup of the convoy, the more attention it will get.
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby elfismiles » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:19 pm


Israeli allies freeze military ties over deadly Gaza ship raid
By Agence France-Presse
Monday, May 31st, 2010 -- 9:42 am


ANKARA — Israel's allies froze military ties and summoned its ambassadors Monday over the storming of an aid flotilla bound for Gaza, as Muslim leaders slammed the deadly raid as "criminal" and "inhuman".

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said he was "shocked" by the Israeli navy's assault on a convoy carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists, lawmakers and journalists through international waters towards besieged Gaza.

Ban called on Israel to "urgently" explain itself over the raid, which Israel's Channel 10 TV left 19 passengers killed and 36 wounded, many of them Turks.

Israel's closest ally Washington described the loss of life as a "tragedy," on the eve of talks between President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The United States deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained and is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy," a White House spokesman said.

As the Vatican voiced "deep sadness and concern" and Middle East peace envoy Tony Blair expressed "deep regret and shock" at the loss of life, capitals across Europe summoned Israel's ambassadors to explain the assault.

Ankara responded with fury, recalling its ambassador from Tel Aviv and warning the assault would have "irreparable consequences" to bilateral ties.

Police held back angry crowds shouting "Damn Israel" outside Israel's missions to the country, as Turkey accused Israel of a "flagrant breach of international law," and "disregard for human life and peaceful initiatives."

Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc also said plans for three joint military exercises with Israel had been scrapped.

Greece, which had dozens of nationals in the convoy, pulled out of joint military exercises with Israel and cancelled a visit by its air force chief, as an aid group claimed that commandos in helicopters had fired on a Greek vessel.

Israel said its troops were attacked after they stormed six ships loaded with thousands of tonnes of aid and with hundreds of activists aboard, and that both sides used live fire.

Muslim leaders united in condemning what Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas called a "massacre" and Arab League chief Amr Mussa said was a "crime."

The Islamist movement Hamas which rules Gaza urged world Muslims to "rise up" in protest, as Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denounced the raid as "inhuman Zionist regime action."

Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, which his country currently chairs.

Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani "strongly condemned" the attack on a "peaceful flotilla," as politicians, lawmakers and journalists staged a peaceful protest in Islamabad against Israel.

Egypt condemned the "acts of killing" by Israel forces while Kuwait's parliament speaker said the storming of the flotilla, which was carrying 16 Kuwaitis including an MP, was a "heinous Israeli crime."

And Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, said "there was no basis" for Israel's assault.

In Europe, condemnation was equally swift.

The European Union foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton demanded Israel mount a "full inquiry," as member states ordered an emergency meeting of their ambassadors to the EU.

Spain -- the current European Union president -- France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Austria and Greece summoned Israel's respective ambassadors, with Madrid slamming the operation as "unacceptable".

France's President Nicolas Sarkozy accused Israel of a "disproportionate use of force."

Germany's Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said he was "deeply concerned" about the deaths, while Italy's Foreign Minister Franco Frattini "deplored" the loss of civilian life.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague similarly deplored the loss of life, saying Israel must "act with restraint" -- but also said London had warned of the risks of attempting to access Gaza in defiance of the blockade.

Thousands of Palestinian refugees and activists demonstrated across Lebanon to denounce the raid, some chanting slogans like "Give us weapons, give us weapons and send us on to Gaza."

Maen Bashur, a Lebanese coordinator for the mission, said activists considered those seized on board the ship as "war prisoners".

A Cyprus MEP Kyriacos Triantafyllides, who was involved with the mission, said activists had "expected a strong reaction from Israel."

"But nobody believed it would come to this point, where they would face something akin to an invading army," he said.


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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:42 pm

Greg Sargent of The Washington Post wrote:Anthony Weiner strongly defends Israeli attack on flotilla

In a sign that some Dems in Congress may rally behind Israel in the face of international condemnation of the attack on the aid flotilla, Rep. Anthony Weiner of New York strongly defended Israel's move in an interview, blaming the bloodshed on Turkey and the activists for instigating the conflict.


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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:00 pm

Greg Sargent of The Washington Post wrote:Source: Hillary asking foreign leaders to `dial down' criticism of Israel

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been privately asking foreign leaders to "dial down" criticism of Israel until all the facts of the flotilla attack are known, according to a source who personally discussed the matter with her.

"She says she's been working the phones for last 24 hours trying to get people to cool off a little bit, to see what the facts are," the source tells me, adding that she said she was trying to "dial down some of the rhetoric of the inernational community."

"It's difficult," the source adds. "She says people are furious."

Such calls are not unexpected, but they provide a glimpse into how awkward a position the U.S. knows it's in now that global criticism of Israel's attack is mounting, since it's coming at a moment when the Obama administration was hoping to do a "kiss and make up" session with Netanyahu.

Also: The calls are a sign that the administration may be directly helping Israel by trying to lend a hand damping down the global outcry.


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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:03 pm

Simulist wrote:
Greg Sargent of The Washington Post wrote:Anthony Weiner strongly defends Israeli attack on flotilla

In a sign that some Dems in Congress may rally behind Israel in the face of international condemnation of the attack on the aid flotilla, Rep. Anthony Weiner of New York strongly defended Israel's move in an interview, blaming the bloodshed on Turkey and the activists for instigating the conflict.


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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby elfismiles » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:05 pm

Simulist wrote:
Greg Sargent of The Washington Post wrote:Source: Hillary asking foreign leaders to `dial down' criticism of Israel
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:09 pm


I would never expect the Democrats to do anything that requires character.

(Unless there were an ulterior motive, of course.)
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby justdrew » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:18 pm

Simulist wrote:

I would never expect the Democrats to do anything that requires character.

(Unless there were an ulterior motive, of course.)


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