Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

[Percival]

Laodicean, that is the second posting of that essay on this thread. Please try to keep up. I doubt that it had much value the first time, frankly. Israel exists. Get used to it.

Its an interesting essay for sure, I think the thread is moving pretty quickly this evening so he probably missed the first time it was posted.

[17breezes]

Laodicean, that is the second posting of that essay on this thread. Please try to keep up. I doubt that it had much value the first time, frankly. Israel exists. Get used to it.

Its an interesting essay for sure, I think the thread is moving pretty quickly this evening so he probably missed the first time it was posted.

I don't know. I always get suspicious of people who say "Zionist entity," and those who quote them. As barracuda says....Israel exists.

[Percival]

Carter just had hamas backed very far away from the pledge of war, had there been any negotiations, any real willingness to pursue peace something could have been done. 17b... your willingness to think the worst of gentiles is exactly the thought process that traps Israel in needless war.

The Holocaust PROVES what "Gentiles," as you call them are like at their worst. One would think that after that horror, antisemitism would have died; but, it didn't did it?

When an American icon for the left like Helen Thomas lets her mask slip, as Cohen says "Everybody knows."

I used to have a lot of respect for Helen but she has lost me after that. True colors for sure. But she is Turkish afterall isnt she, so I guess its a matter oif loyalties over truth.


But again, just look at North Korea, those people have it really bad and the South currently has a naval blockade set up and an embargo in place, and not a peep from the left and the people of NK didnt even vote their evil leader in. The people of Gaza DID vote for Hamas, but Israel is the bad guy for trying to protect its people from a terrorist organization that has sworn to exterminate them all. The world has gone insane.

She is American born of Lebanese roots. So that MAY explain some things but I think the mask is still on a great many journalists; she is not likely unique.

There is an insane lack of peeps all the time unless it's Israel.

Thats the problem here, everything they do is under a giant microscope, everyone condemns Israel but nobody is willing to offer an alternative more acceptable solution as to how Israel is supposed to deal with the Hamas threat of extermination. Maybe if everyone would stop calling Israel inhuman and evil and sit down and have a real discussion about how she should deal with these problems, we could actually make some progress, but that isnt any fun is it? Its much better to act emotional and throw reason out the window.

I suggest Israel elect and follow their own internal peace movement rather than look for answers from people on message boards and their own hawkish right wing.

go here and poke around, you'll find answers:
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html

I am no hawk to be sure, but do you feel that will protect them from the threat of extermination?

If anything I hope something good can result from those 9 dead, at the very least some real dialogue about more effective and less lethal ways Israel can protect itself from Hamas' threat to exterminate them.

[17breezes]

I suggest Israel elect and follow their own internal peace movement rather than look for answers from people on message boards and their own hawkish right wing.

go here and poke around, you'll find answers:
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html

They already have several. Hamas? Hizbollah? Iran? Not so much. How be you urge those fellas a bit more?

[Percival]

Laodicean, that is the second posting of that essay on this thread. Please try to keep up. I doubt that it had much value the first time, frankly. Israel exists. Get used to it.

Its an interesting essay for sure, I think the thread is moving pretty quickly this evening so he probably missed the first time it was posted.

I don't know. I always get suspicious of people who say "Zionist entity," and those who quote them. As barracuda says....Israel exists.

Oh yea, I dont agree with the essay, but I thought it was sort of amusing.

Israel isnt going anyway so yea, might as well get used to that.

Typically those who go on and on about zionist this and zionist that are just antisemites speaking in more politically correct code. Not always but often enough to note.

[Percival]

I suggest Israel elect and follow their own internal peace movement rather than look for answers from people on message boards and their own hawkish right wing.

go here and poke around, you'll find answers:
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html

They already have several. Hamas? Hizbollah? Iran? Not so much. How be you urge those fellas a bit more?

Thats what pisses me off also, this discussion is always so one sided with nearly everyone taking the side of terrorist organizations, Iran etc. What the hell is that?

[justdrew]

yes I do.

any conflict, no matter what "oaths" are made, can be ended.

perhaps Israel is urged more because it is in the position to make the first step and must do so as it controls the situation.

this kind of discipline isn't going to work, ever:

[Nordic]

Agreed. I dont like what they did either, those 9 people should not have died, but as I asked before, what is Israel to do when Hamas has vowed not only war against Israel but against every single Jewish person living in the region.

Agreed and what's worse, what is the world at large doing sticking up for Hamas and their like. Well, a lot of them want to see Israel destroyed too. Even posters here have voiced that wish.

The last time Jews were in this spot no one stood with them. The world is shaping up to do the same thing again IMO.

Gee, nice to have you back. Not.

You're delusional. You're paranoid. And you're racist.

That whole "America - love it or leave it" crowd (only you insert "Israel" for "America") is 100% dyed in the wool FASCIST.

This really needs to be a non-fascist board.

You are a sickening human being. And quite likely mentally ill.

[Peregrine]

[Laodicean]

Please try to keep up.

Apologies. The shit's deep.

[Percival]

Agreed. I dont like what they did either, those 9 people should not have died, but as I asked before, what is Israel to do when Hamas has vowed not only war against Israel but against every single Jewish person living in the region.

Agreed and what's worse, what is the world at large doing sticking up for Hamas and their like. Well, a lot of them want to see Israel destroyed too. Even posters here have voiced that wish.

The last time Jews were in this spot no one stood with them. The world is shaping up to do the same thing again IMO.

Gee, nice to have you back. Not.

You're delusional. You're paranoid. And you're racist.

That whole "America - love it or leave it" crowd (only you insert "Israel" for "America") is 100% dyed in the wool FASCIST.

This really needs to be a non-fascist board.

You are a sickening human being. And quite likely mentally ill.

Wow is this really allowed here? Heavy personal attacks. Maybe someone can explain to me how this is helpful or productive to a discussion?


Also, lets keep in mind what kind of people side with Hamas and their openly stated desire to exterminate Jews:

Fascists

Neo Nazis

Skinheads

White Supremacists

National Socialists

Your favorite hate group here.

[17breezes]

Agreed. I dont like what they did either, those 9 people should not have died, but as I asked before, what is Israel to do when Hamas has vowed not only war against Israel but against every single Jewish person living in the region.

Agreed and what's worse, what is the world at large doing sticking up for Hamas and their like. Well, a lot of them want to see Israel destroyed too. Even posters here have voiced that wish.

The last time Jews were in this spot no one stood with them. The world is shaping up to do the same thing again IMO.

Gee, nice to have you back. Not.

You're delusional. You're paranoid. And you're racist.

That whole "America - love it or leave it" crowd (only you insert "Israel" for "America") is 100% dyed in the wool FASCIST.

This really needs to be a non-fascist board.

You are a sickening human being. And quite likely mentally ill.

Wow is this really allowed here? Heavy personal attacks. Maybe someone can explain to me how this is helpful or productive to a discussion?


Also, lets keep in mind what kind of people side with Hamas and their openly stated desire to exterminate Jews:

Fascists

Neo Nazis

Skinheads

White Supremacists

National Socialists

Your favorite hate group here.

Yeah, It has been for some time and Nordic has been one of the worst offenders. This is fairly tame for him actually. I have him on ignore so don't get to see his foul BS unless someone quotes it is a post.

[JackRiddler]

Thats the problem here, everything they do is under a giant microscope, everyone condemns Israel but nobody is willing to offer an alternative more acceptable solution as to how Israel is supposed to deal with the Hamas threat of extermination. Maybe if everyone would stop calling Israel inhuman and evil and sit down and have a real discussion about how she should deal with these problems, we could actually make some progress, but that isnt any fun is it? Its much better to act emotional and throw reason out the window.

Last year the United States government paid $3 billion in taxpayer funds for the mainly military aid to Israel and another couple of billion to Egypt (as the informal but undeniable price for securing its alliance with Israel, including its participation in the Gaza blockade). US citizens put up billions in donations to Israel every year, in part because of the overwhelming US media propaganda in Israel's favor. The public and private aid has been flowing for decades, and has been at comparably high levels since the 1970s. Thus Israel's actions are very much owned by the United States, its primary partner and enabler.

The US is also the Security Council member that has vetoed so many resolutions against Israel. Israeli policy is backed by US policy and is thus a legitimate subject of democratic debates over US policy-making. This is not true of many of the other atrocities that are given as examples of crimes supposedly worse than what Israel does. The US does not officially back Pakistani terror groups (though the covert picture is murky) and does not send aid to the Sudanese regime, so these are not comparable examples.

I feel just as strongly about US financing for "Plan Colombia," by the way, and that is not because I am "anti-Colombian."

[Percival]

Ive been around since Jeff first started his blog and he never tolerated this shit, maybe with the mod changed things are different now, I havent been around in a while, but I am surprised at Nordic, that is just underhanded BS.

[Percival]

Thats the problem here, everything they do is under a giant microscope, everyone condemns Israel but nobody is willing to offer an alternative more acceptable solution as to how Israel is supposed to deal with the Hamas threat of extermination. Maybe if everyone would stop calling Israel inhuman and evil and sit down and have a real discussion about how she should deal with these problems, we could actually make some progress, but that isnt any fun is it? Its much better to act emotional and throw reason out the window.

Last year the United States government paid $3 billion in taxpayer funds for the mainly military aid to Israel and another couple of billion to Egypt (as the informal but undeniable price for securing its alliance with Israel, including its participation in the Gaza blockade). US citizens put up billions in donations to Israel every year, in part because of the overwhelming US media propaganda in Israel's favor. The public and private aid has been flowing for decades, and has been at comparably high levels since the 1970s. Thus Israel's actions are very much owned by the United States, its primary partner and enabler.

The US is also the Security Council member that has vetoed so many resolutions against Israel. Israeli policy is backed by US policy and is thus a legitimate subject of democratic debates over US policy-making. This is not true of many of the other atrocities that are given as examples of crimes supposedly worse than what Israel does. The US does not officially back Pakistani terror groups (though the covert picture is murky) and does not send aid to the Sudanese regime, so these are not comparable examples.

I feel just as strongly about US financing for "Plan Colombia," by the way, and that is not because I am "anti-Colombian."

Well thats a whole different discussion but I agree it is a discussion that needs to take place one way or another. The US is allies with Israel because it serves their strategic purposes in the region, so Israel is being used as much as they are doing the using, if you want to call it that.