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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:21 pm

Nordic wrote:
Simulist wrote:
White House Guts Reform To Protect CEO Pay

The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform.

A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC's authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday. Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources -- congressional aides as well as outside advocates -- requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.

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Jesus FUCKING Christ .....

This guy might be a bigger douchebag than any of them.

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FUCK OBAMA

I'm almost looking forward to watching the dyed-in-the-wool pro-Democrat/pro-Obama people come out of hiding as election-time draws nearer, especially as they (once again) whine, wheedle, and (when necessary) try to shame and scare people into supporting their contemptible party candidates, as everyone knows they inevitably will.

The ridiculous contortions and distortions they will have to resort to in order to accomplish that feat do promise to be an entertaining spectacle this time around.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby freemason9 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:36 pm

this thread has become teabagger central
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby norton ash » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:44 pm

this thread has become teabagger central


That is simply pathetic, FM9. We at RI are pissed at Obama because we're irrational, ignorant government-haters who don't want to pay taxes and have a problem with Obama's race?

I don't see many teabaggers here. I see one Democrat in deep denial.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:46 pm

freemason9 wrote:this thread has become teabagger central

And that would be one of the "ridiculous contortions and distortions" I was talking about just now. Thanks!
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby thurnundtaxis » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:49 pm

freemason9 wrote:this thread has become teabagger central


Okay, FM9. So, how about replying with a post that addresses how in fact all of the articles linked here describing Obama's actions are really GOOD things. Can you tell me why I should be excited about any of them?

And I'm sorry but citing his "pragmatism" just won't cut it.

Really, can you do better than just some meaningless (and inaccurate) name calling and actually defend any of the decisions or directives cited in this thread.

We'll be waiting.

And also feel free to start and "Obama is doing some really great things" thread. I'd be willing to be impressed by hearing of any.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby slomo » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:50 pm

Simulist wrote:I'm almost looking forward to watching the dyed-in-the-wool pro-Democrat/pro-Obama people come out of hiding as election-time draws nearer, especially as they (once again) whine, wheedle, and (when necessary) try to shame and scare people into supporting their contemptible party candidates, as everyone knows they inevitably will.

The ridiculous contortions and distortions they will have to resort to in order to accomplish that feat do promise to be an entertaining spectacle this time around.


Bbut, voting for a third party is throwing away your vote!

Aand remember, if you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain...
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:50 pm

freemason9 wrote:this thread has become teabagger central


Huh?
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby slomo » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:01 pm

thurnundtaxis wrote:And I'm sorry but citing his "pragmatism" just won't cut it.


On the subject of pragmatism...

The Democratic Party and Blanche Lincoln

The run-off between Democratic Senate incumbent Blanche Lincoln and challenger Bill Halter, which culminated on Tuesday night in Lincoln's narrow victory, brightly illuminates what the Democratic Party establishment is. Lincoln is supposedly one of those "centrist"/conservative/corporatist Senators who thwarts the good-hearted progressive agenda of the President and the Party. She repeatedly joined with Republicans to support the extremist Bush/Cheney Terrorism agenda (from the the Protect America Act to the Iraq War and virtually everything in between), serves the corporate interests that run Washington as loyally as any member of Congress, and even threatened to join the GOP in filibustering health care reform if it contained the public option which Obama claimed he wanted. Obama loyalists constantly point to the Blanche Lincolns of the world to justify why the Party scorns the values of their voters: Obama can't do anything about these bad Democratic Senators; it's not his fault if he doesn't have the votes, they insist.

Lincoln's 12-year record in the Senate is so awful that she has severely alienated virtually every important Democratic constituency group -- other than the large corporate interests that fund and control the Party. That record, along with her extreme unpopularity in Arkansas, is the reason Accountability Now -- the group I co-founded and run in order, among other things, to recruit primary challengers against corporatist incumbents -- targeted Lincoln and why it expended so much effort and resources to recruit Halter into the race. We knew that most key progressive factions -- grass-roots organizations, progressive blogs, civil liberties groups, and unions -- would want to see Lincoln removed from the Senate, and that's the type of formidable coalition needed to persuade a credible challenger that a 2-term Senate incumbent can be defeated.

So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln. Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure. Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests. The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln -- a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don't have the votes for.

Ordinarily, when Party leaders support horrible incumbents in primaries, they use the "electability" excuse: this is a conservative state, the incumbent has the best chance to win, and the progressive challenger is out-of-step with voters. That excuse is clearly unavailable here. As Public Policy Polling explained yesterday, Lincoln has virtually no chance of winning in November against GOP challenger John Boozman. And while it would have also been difficult for Halter to beat Boozman, polls consistently showed that he had a better chance than Lincoln did. That's unsurprising, given how much better non-Washington candidates are doing in this incumbent-hating climate than long-term Washington insiders. And it's rather difficult to claim that Halter is out-of-step with Arkansas given that they elected him their Lt. Governor. Whatever the reasons Washington Democrats had for supporting the deeply unpopular Lincoln, it had nothing whatsoever to do with electability.

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we've been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn't have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it's not Obama's fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face. Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don't support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we'll support a primary challenger against you. Obama's support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive...

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:50 pm

That's one hell of an article, Slomo — and I'd sincerely recommend that everyone read it.

Here are a couple more of the important paragraphs from that article that deserve careful attention:
Glenn Greenwald wrote:Beyond that benefit, the very significant divisions within the Party become a bit more crystallized as a result of this episode. In response to the White House's complaint that unions did not spend their money to help Democratic incumbents, an AFL-CIO official angrily replied: "Labor isn't an arm of the Democratic Party." Of course, that's exactly what much of labor has been up to this point, but the realization that the interests of the Party and these unions are wildly divergent will hopefully change that. There's clearly a growing recognition among many progressives generally that devotion to the Democratic Party not only fails to promote, but actively undermines, their agenda (ACLU Executive Directory Anthony Romero yesterday began his speech to a progressive conference with this proclamation: "I'm going to start provocatively . . . I'm disgusted with this president"). Anything that helps foster that realization -- and I believe this Lincoln/Halter primary did so -- is beneficial.

That is really the key point: it should be apparent to any rational observer that confining oneself to the two-party system -- meaning devoting oneself loyally to one of the two parties' establishments without regard to what it does -- is a ticket to inevitable irrelevance. The same factions rule Washington no matter which of the two parties control the various branches of government (see this excellent new article from Rolling Stone's Tim Dickinson on the Obama administration's role in the BP oil spill, and specifically how virtually nothing changed in the oil-industry-controlled Interior Department once Ken Salazar took over [as was quite predictable and predicted]; Interior employees even refer to it as "the third Bush term"). There is clearly a need for new strategies and approaches that involve things other than unconditional fealty to the Democratic Party, which weigh not only the short-term political fears that are exploited to keep Democrats blindly loyal (hey, look over there! It's Sarah Palin!) but also longer-term considerations (the need to truly change the political process and the stranglehold the two parties exert). In sum, any Party whose leaders are this desperate to keep someone like Blanche Lincoln in the Senate is not one that merits any loyalty.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:43 pm

freemason9 wrote:this thread has become teabagger central



Yeah and by October 2008 there were still people who thought that Bush was doing a great job.

Way to go, you're right up there.

You know, it's monumentally IDIOTIC to equate "criticism of Obama" with "teabaggery". It displays a severe inability to grasp anything resembling reality.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby thatsmystory » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:28 pm

The tea party nonsense was a win win for the political establishment. It gave the GOP base a scapegoat to blame and it ensured that the Democratic base would rally to support "their team."
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:35 pm

thatsmystory wrote:The tea party nonsense was a win win for the political establishment. It gave the GOP base a scapegoat to blame and it ensured that the Democratic base would rally to support "their team."

The Republican "team" and the Democratic "team" can each give the other a well-deserved flush down history's commode.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby ninakat » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:06 pm

Nordic wrote:
freemason9 wrote:this thread has become teabagger central



Yeah and by October 2008 there were still people who thought that Bush was doing a great job.

Way to go, you're right up there.

You know, it's monumentally IDIOTIC to equate "criticism of Obama" with "teabaggery". It displays a severe inability to grasp anything resembling reality.


Racist is the other one you get labeled with when you're anti-Obama. Brilliant move by TPTB, with Obama as their willing accomplice. They've got us all fighting amongst ourselves. Continually. Same as it ever was. Let's just hope it doesn't get out of hand again like in 1861-65.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:39 pm

ninakat wrote:Racist is the other one you get labeled with when you're anti-Obama.



Yeah, I wasn't gonna bring that up but that's exactly what it's like. It's like being accused of antisemitism when you criticize anything Israel does.

Hey! I hate white middle aged American protestant men! I fucking hate them. Why? Because I hated George Bush and Dick Cheney.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:32 pm

You anti-WASPite...
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