Human race 'will be extinct within 100 years'

[Simulist]

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"Rapture" for the space-heads.

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When the faith of "rapture heads" gets a little ruptured, sometimes they resort to aliens from the planet Calgon to "Take me away!"

[Cosmic Cowbell]

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"Rapture" for the space-heads.

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When the faith of "rapture heads" gets a little ruptured, sometimes they resort to aliens from the planet Calgon to "Take me away!"

[Simulist]

In reading back over my comment, I realize that it sounded directed at you, CC, and I want to apologize for my gaffe. I do not claim to know what encounter experiences are exactly, but I do think that many of them represent something real, something potentially very important. Yours is surely no exception.

[wintler2]

"Rapture" for the space-heads.

this is an essentially political claim. it's rhetoric. ..

.. We non-extinctable. ..

Extinction is quite possible, via the Venus syndrome. By 2100 might be pushing it, but never underestimate the power of stupidity to make a bad situation rapidly worse. Corn-ethanol for all!

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Hydrogen Sulfide, Not Carbon Dioxide, May Have Caused Largest Mass Extinction

ScienceDaily (Nov. 5, 2003) — While most scientists agree that a meteor strike killed the dinosaurs, the cause of the largest mass extinction in Earth's history, 251 million years ago, is still unknown, according to geologists.
"During the end-Permian extinction 95 percent of all species on Earth became extinct, compared to only 75 percent during the KT when the dinosaurs disappeared," says Dr. Lee R. Kump, professor of geosciences. "The end-Permian is puzzling. There is no convincing smoking gun, no compelling evidence of an asteroid impact."

Researchers have shown that the deep oceans were anoxic, lacking oxygen, in the late Permian and research shows that the continental shelf areas in the end-Permian were also anoxic. One explanation is that sea level rose so that the anoxic deep water was covering the shelf. Another possibility is that the surface ocean and deep ocean mixed, bringing anoxic waters to the surface.

Decomposition of organisms in the deep ocean could have caused an overabundance of carbon dioxide, which is lethal to many oceanic organisms and land-based animals.

"However, we find mass extinction on land to be an unlikely consequence of carbon dioxide levels of only seven times the preindustrial level," Kump told attendees today (Nov. 3) at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America in Seattle. "Plants, in general, love carbon dioxide, so it is difficult to think of carbon dioxide as a good kill mechanism."

On the other hand, hydrogen sulfide gas, produced in the oceans through sulfate decomposition by sulfur bacteria, can easily kill both terrestrial and oceanic plants and animals.

Humans can smell hydrogen sulfide gas, the smell of rotten cabbage, in the parts per trillion range. In the deeps of the Black Sea today, hydrogen sulfide exists at about 34 part per million. This is a toxic brew in which any aerobic, oxygen-needing, organism would die. For the Black Sea, the hydrogen sulfide stays in the depths because our rich oxygen atmosphere mixes in the top layer of water and controls the diffusion of hydrogen sulfide upwards.

In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would kill most terrestrial life.

Kump and colleagues, Alexander Pavlov, University of Colorado; Michael Arthur, professor of geosciences, Penn State; Anthony Riccardi, graduate student, Penn State; and Yashuhiro Kato, University of Tokyo, are looking at sediments from the end-Permian found in Japan.

"We are looking for biomarkers, indications of photosynthetic sulfur bacteria," says Kump. "These photo autotrophic organisms live in places where there is no oxygen, but still some sunlight. They would have been in their hay day in the end-Permian." Finding biomarkers of green sulfur bacteria would provide evidence for hydrogen sulfide as the cause of the mass extinctions.

So, what of the 5 percent of the species on Earth that survived? Kump suggests that the mixing of the deep ocean layers and the upper layer was not uniform and that refugia, places where oxygen still existed, remained, both in the oceans and on land.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 063957.htm

Massive release of hydrogen sulfide to the surface ocean and atmosphere during intervals of oceanic anoxia
Lee R Kump, Alexander Pavlov, Michael A Arthur

Abstract

Simple calculations show that if deep-water H2S concentrations increased beyond a critical threshold during oceanic anoxic intervals of Earth history, the chemocline sepa- rating sulfidic deep waters from oxygenated surface waters could have risen abruptly to the ocean surface (a chemocline upward excursion). Atmospheric photochemical modeling indicates that resulting fluxes of H2S to the atmosphere (2000 times the small modern flux from volcanoes) would likely have led to toxic levels of H2S in the atmosphere. Moreover, the ozone shield would have been destroyed, and methane levels would have risen to 100 ppm. We thus propose (1) chemocline upward excursion as a kill mechanism during the end-Permian, Late Devonian, and CenomanianTuronian extinctions, and (2) persistently high atmospheric H2S levels as a factor that impeded evolution of eukaryotic life on land during the Proterozoic.

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/33/5/397

[Simulist]

Extinction is quite possible, via the Venus syndrome. By 2100 might be pushing it, but never underestimate the power of stupidity to make a bad situation rapidly worse. Corn-ethanol for all!

The power of human stupidity should never be underestimated. But it is being underestimated.

We are, at this moment, being given a pretty stark reminder of human destructive potential, even when destruction is an unintended consequence! — and that's been just one oil rig and just one category of destruction.

There are many other ways to murder planetary life, unfortunately. And humans are busy creatures.

But nothing — nothing — seems capable of making most humans even consider reconsidering this civilization's greedy rampage over the surface of the planet, the affects of which could kill everything we hold dear and our future.

And that is simply stupid.

Suffocating in ones own garbage sounds like a horrible way to die.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

While I won't disagree with the math because it doesn't lie, and neither with the level of human stupidity and short-sightedness, but something still doesn't add up when you look at the big picture concerning exponential growth of the human civilization and our consumption needs.

By and large, we can make the move to cheaper and more renewable forms of energy. We can also reduce the amount of non-biodegradable products we need. Our food consumption could be brought down to have less of an impact on the planet. The issue before us is, these things by and large are not being solicited by world governments or the truly big corporations. You think that these so-called Powers That Be, if they truly had the insight of the world's best minds at their Bilderberger meetings and so on, would try and stretch the distance between humanity reaching a critical mass and reaching epic die-off levels and today. But they aren't.

These aren't stupid people. They've been shown to have a deep understanding of the frailties of human beings and how to prey upon them to make immense profit. So if you were one of them, why wouldn't you want to help load the dice and bring in political leaders or corporate maneuvering to extend the good life on planet Earth?

I've truly now come to believe that the piece missing from this perspective of environmentalism, population control and the growing demand of energy is the withholding of better technology. There's just far too much evidence that the WOO component, as it's referred to around here, has basis in fact. Even if you haven't seen what a lot of people would describe a UFO, by now there's too many videos and too many eyewitness reports from credible sources that the US government has in its possession technology that is sci-fi to the majority of us. Space shuttles have accidentally photographed the black triangles in low Earth orbit. Supposedly you can observe the night sky for a few hours with 3rd generation night vision goggles and you'll see deltas and high energy outputting craft flying around in the space above our heads. Yet until the mainstream media decides to treat the subject with maturity it will remain in the basement of incredibility and people like Hugh will use the taint of WOO, crazy talk, to dismiss this part of the puzzle from the overall picture.

There's no doubt for me that the means for humanity to use cheap energy, better technology and cleaner fuels exists. What the mystery for me now is how our owners are playing the game out. Are they going to keep us hungry for oil and mass consumption for as long as possible, and then when the time that the first wave of fear truly is felt by the western middle class, will they then extend their hands out with the solution and position themselves as the benevolent rulers for the next XXX number of years of humanity? Will our jailers remake their image with a marketing makeover and by that point we'll be so afraid of the alternative that we'll gladly take what's offered with no questions asked?

That's what I think is the best answer to the bigger picture and not a plan for a global die-off of 90% of the human population. If you're an elite, why would you eliminate the people that continue to make you rich and taken care of? Having 500 million paupers to look after you isn't in the best interests of these people.

[barracuda]

Excellent points, ASOF. No one who can rub two sticks together and get flame really can beleive that a mass catastrophic extinction event will affect everyone but them as they hide in their well-stocked underground seed zoos waiting for the smoke to clear. Who's gonna take that chance rather than face resource issues realitically and mitigate with every strategy at hand a global meltdown which may burn their house down, and the houses of their progeny? Either:

- There are more resources than we are lead to understand, but the reality is hidden in order for manipulation of markets to continue unabated, or

- There is, as you say, hidden tech in the wings, ready to continue the slow bleeding of wealth from the world's populace, or

- After them, the deluge. They don't care and have no interest in preserving a human presence on the planet.

[Nordic]

If you're an elite, why would you eliminate the people that continue to make you rich and taken care of?

Well, because once you have the technology in place to where you no longer needed those people to be your personal worker bees, and everything is automated, you don't need them any more.

The right number of people on this planet could live like Kings, provided there was something, rather than someONE, to pick the fruit, take out the garbage, and work in the factories.

[JackRiddler]

Excellent points, ASOF. No one who can rub two sticks together and get flame really can beleive that a mass catastrophic extinction event will affect everyone but them as they hide in their well-stocked underground seed zoos waiting for the smoke to clear. Who's gonna take that chance rather than face resource issues realitically and mitigate with every strategy at hand a global meltdown which may burn their house down, and the houses of their progeny? Either:

- There are more resources than we are lead to understand, but the reality is hidden in order for manipulation of markets to continue unabated, or

- There is, as you say, hidden tech in the wings, ready to continue the slow bleeding of wealth from the world's populace, or

- After them, the deluge. They don't care and have no interest in preserving a human presence on the planet.

I agree with your reasoning. It would be naive of a "Them" to think the deluge is controllable, and that they will be able to maintain whatever strongholds they imagine they'll have in a Mad Max scenario -- or that these strongholds won't be taken over from within by warlords.

Therefore I go with door #3. Not that they all don't care, but that they collectively can't imagine anything different, and believe in their own bullshit about this is the best that can be done and the alternatives were really tried in Russia and some such and found wanting. They've prospered on the system as it is, its language and ontology and ideology is what they know, they live in a happy Now, and the majority of them can delude themselves that everything will somehow go on as is, just like the middle classes are known to do. Even as their business plans turn to catastrophe scenarios, they don't adopt a larger vision of preventing catastrophe. The problem is too big for them.

Door #1 is obviously deluded and a very dangerous idea, by the way. Many objective measures of the situation are easy to see and incontrovertible, like the great plastic garbage patches and the fishery depletion and the Amazon and the level of the Colorado River. Door #2 is science fiction. It may be openable, but I don't believe that it's been opened in secret and kept a secret.

[Elvis]

"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See"

For anyone with the stomach to sit through what is arguably the most boring — and probably most important — series of YouTube videos you will ever see on this subject, I would highly recommend this

I watched all eight parts, and that lecture is great. The obsession with "growth" always seemed strange to me. And that mantra, "If your business isn't growing, it's dying!"---bullshit! I'm trying to get most everyone I know to watch the videos.

The Planners have to know about this.
I lean to Door #2---some technology in the wings.

Their billionaire sea castles (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28384&p) might be a hint that something is up.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Wintler!!! AWESOME!! Thank you. Never even heard of that before, and I was literally puzzling over Venus with the missus just last night in a camper looking at the stars. Really appreciate the new brainfood.

[Simulist]

"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See"

For anyone with the stomach to sit through what is arguably the most boring — and probably most important — series of YouTube videos you will ever see on this subject, I would highly recommend this

I watched all eight parts, and that lecture is great. The obsession with "growth" always seemed strange to me. And that mantra, "If your business isn't growing, it's dying!"---bullshit! I'm trying to get most everyone I know to watch the videos.

The Planners have to know about this.
I lean to Door #2---some technology in the wings.

Their billionaire sea castles (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28384&p) might be a hint that something is up.

I'm so glad to hear that you found those videos helpful.

When I first watched them some months ago, the implications of the arithmetic in them nagged at me for days, acutely.

The lecture still haunts me, to tell the truth.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

The right number of people on this planet could live like Kings, provided there was something, rather than someONE, to pick the fruit, take out the garbage, and work in the factories.

Royalty/elite don't just need servants to take out their trash, they need to feel special and different from others. They also need to feel idolized, respected, even worshipped. It would be impossible for that to happen if there were only the ruling class around.

Another thing: how will the rich remain at the top of the ecochain when 90% of the people that give them taxes/buy their goods are dead? If anything, it makes more sense to have more bottom class buying your goods, giving you taxes, swearing their allegiance to you than less. By removing the masses you're taking a chance on an untested system. Things are already pretty comfortable now having servants, why jeopardize a good thing?

They live like kings now, already. More people will make them richer, so again, why not usher in stable and renewable energy and lift up the third world into first world, give those people cell phones and American Idol and suddenly they can't afford to have a dozen kids anymore. 2 is more than enough, and if you're like Japan, you want less than that.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

Door #2 is science fiction. It may be openable, but I don't believe that it's been opened in secret and kept a secret.

Have you looked into the large amount of evidence that builds an overwhelming case that hidden technology is being used right now? I'm not talking about Gulf Breeze UFO photos, I mean the excellent data easily available from air agencies, other governments besides America, video shot by TV crews and CCTV that weren't digitally augmented and deposited on an anonymous YouTube account. At this stage it's now easy to ascertain that there is advanced air technology being used by someone. The alien answer and related WOO theories shouldn't even enter into the discussion, yet it does and that allows the entire matter to be brushed over and overlooked by the mainstream media and researchers/scientists afraid of sullying their reputations.

A few years back Popular Science even had an article about the anti-gravity capabilities of the Aurora stealth craft. They believed the Aurora used nuclear energy to power the craft. It's testament to the disinformation campaign that exists about these ultra-tech aircraft that the masses can learn about the danger of launching a spacecraft to the outer planets that carries radioactive material to power it and not hear about numerous US military stealth craft that supposedly use nuclear reactor technology to power their systems, yet they are "revealed" in the pages of a mainstream science publication.

Respectfully, this is not science fiction. You need not have seen one of these vehicles in operation with your own eyes to believe that they exist. It's a curious ability for humans en masse to leave a mystery alone once the ones that are supposed to investigate said mystery (either the government or the news media) drop the subject. The Phoenix Lights is a prime case in point; several bright lights are witnessed above a major city by thousands of people and no one in a leadership position has any answer as to what they were. Ignore the question and 90% of the people will move their attention on. A smaller percentage will place it into their unknown category and leave it there because there is no direct evidence that can be confirmed of the technology, i.e. you might have never visited Antarctica but you believe it exists and that you could go there if you desired to. And so it goes and the shroud of denial remains.