Daily Kos: CIA Controlled Opposition?

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Postby NavnDansk » Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:30 am

I rarely go to FDL anymore - Crooks and Liars in a thread linked by Frances Holland deleted everyone of the threads about Kos CIA secret and even most of the posts referencing it but they missed one or two of the response threads.

People are still calling on Fitz at FDL to come and save us. Visited today for the first time in awhile and on the thread about Hayden someone said we need an Independent Counsel and someone wrote Fitz! - even if Fitz were not dirty as his handling of the 93 bombing of the WTC with Chertoff indicates, his utter lack of any convictions or results and his refusal to testify before Congress when asked and keeping his investigative files from Congress indicate his complicity and/or incompetence.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/30/1159/29124

http://www.flickr.com/photos/election2008/1498529250/

Kos supports the Junta

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Kos & Chevron, Will you join us?
http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/show ... iaryId=605

Boycott Kos until Chevron ad is dropped

Everyone has seen it and marveled at the disconnect between progressive ideas and taking money from a evil petrocorp. Its been rationalized and poo-poo'ed. I saw the ad myself just a couple of days ago. In the past week it has taken on a new significance as the situation in Burma has gone from bad to worse. It is especially significant today since this is International Blogger's Day for Burma.

Several kosnics have brought it up the past week. And the usual suspects just say something sarcastic about how this has "been discussed before" so shut your fucking pie hole and don't let the door hit you on your way out.


The Kos junta can not be moved by the pleas of of the people in the people-powered movement. But the greater blogosphere is a buzz with Anti-Chevron fervor
Amy Goodman poked a stick in their eye

The image was stunning: tens of thousands of saffron-robed Buddhist monks marching through the streets of Rangoon [also known as Yangon], protesting the military dictatorship of Burma.

The monks marched in front of the home of Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi, who was seen weeping and praying quietly as they passed. She hadn’t been seen for years. The democratically elected leader of Burma, Suu Kyi has been under house arrest since 2003. She is considered the Nelson Mandela of Burma, the Southeast Asian nation renamed Myanmar by the regime.

After almost two weeks of protest, the monks have disappeared. The monasteries have been emptied. One report says thousands of monks are imprisoned in the north of the country.

No one believes that this is the end of the protests, dubbed “The Saffron Revolution.” Nor do they believe the official body count of 10 dead. The trickle of video, photos and oral accounts of the violence that leaked out on Burma’s cellular phone and Internet lines has been largely stifled by government censorship. Still, gruesome images of murdered monks and other activists and accounts of executions make it out to the global public. At the time of this writing, several unconfirmed accounts of prisoners being burned alive have been posted to Burma-solidarity Websites.

The Bush administration is making headlines with its strong language against the Burmese regime. President Bush declared increased sanctions in his U.N. General Assembly speech. First lady Laura Bush has come out with perhaps the strongest statements. Explaining that she has a cousin who is a Burma activist, Laura Bush said, “The deplorable acts of violence being perpetrated against Buddhist monks and peaceful Burmese demonstrators shame the military regime.”

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, at the meeting of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, said, “The United States is determined to keep an international focus on the travesty that is taking place.” Keeping an international focus is essential, but should not distract from one of the most powerful supporters of the junta, one that is much closer to home. Rice knows it well:

Chevron.

Fueling the military junta that has ruled for decades are Burma’s natural gas reserves, controlled by the Burmese regime in partnership with the U.S. multinational oil giant Chevron, the French oil company Total and a Thai oil firm. Offshore natural gas facilities deliver their extracted gas to
Thailand through Burma’s Yadana pipeline. The pipeline was built with slave labor, forced into servitude by the Burmese military.

The original pipeline partner, Unocal, was sued by EarthRights International for the use of slave labor. As soon as the suit was settled out of court, Chevron bought Unocal. Chevron’s role in propping up the brutal regime in Burma is clear. According to Marco Simons, U.S. legal director at EarthRights International: “Sanctions haven’t worked because gas is the lifeline of the regime. Before Yadana went online, Burma’s regime was facing severe shortages of currency. It’s really Yadana and gas projects that kept the military regime afloat to buy arms and ammunition and pay its soldiers.”

The U.S. government has had sanctions in place against Burma since 1997. A loophole exists, though, for companies grandfathered in. Unocal’s exemption from the Burma sanctions has been passed on to its new owner, Chevron.

Rice served on the Chevron board of directors for a decade. She even had a Chevron oil tanker named after her. While she served on the board, Chevron was sued for involvement in the killing of nonviolent protesters in the Niger Delta region of Nigeria. Like the Burmese, Nigerians suffer political repression and pollution where oil and gas are extracted and they live in dire poverty. The protests in Burma were actually triggered by a government-imposed increase in fuel prices.

Human-rights groups around the world have called for a global day of action on Saturday, Oct. 6, in solidarity with the people of Burma. Like the brave activists and citizen journalists sending news and photos out of the country, the organizers of the Oct. 6 protest are using the Internet to pull together what will probably be the largest demonstration ever in support of Burma. Among the demands are calls for companies to stop doing business with Burma’s brutal regime.

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EarthRights continues to pound Chevron

The protests began on August 19th, when the military’s decision to sharply increase the price of natural gas and other fuels sent shockwaves through the economy. The military has recently responded with violence, killing at least several protestors (including monks) and arresting hundreds more. But the oil and gas corporations themselves, who are partnered with the military government in gas export projects, have shown no sign of trying to prevent further bloodshed.

Instead, Daewoo International and the Thai gas company PTTEP initially announced plans to export more of Burma’s natural gas, and on September 25 PTTEP issued a statement assuring the public that their investment was not jeopardized by the unrest. A third company, India’s ONGC Videsh, along with India’s Petroleum Minister Murli Deora, traveled to Burma amidst the protests to sign three new deals to extract and export natural gas. And Chevron Corporation, the largest remaining U.S. company in Burma, has simply remained silent.

Other bloggers are joining in. Here is what was on the Huffington Post - The most widely read lefty blog had to say on the ads and the Burma situation.

Chevron's green wash of an ad campaign could shape its global policy. My colleague, Judy Dugan, at OilWatchdog.org makes a great argument in calling on Chevron CEO David O'Reilly to "immediately sever Chevron's ties to Myanmar's brutal government and personally speak out against its violent suppression of peaceful protest."

Judy really socks it to O'Reilly on the hypocrisy front. Her letter:

"Dear Mr. O'Reilly,

"Chevron's lavish new image-advertising campaign makes your 65,000 employees look like the Peace Corps, sowing harmony and good feeling across the world. Yet as you well know, the smiling families, poets and sports coaches shown in your 2.5-minute debut television ad, "Human Energy," don't make corporate policy.

"Chevron's continued lucrative investment in the natural gas fields of Myanmar fuels a despotic regime that has focused its "human energy" on violently suppressing its citizens -- including the murder of Buddhist monks and the apparent point-blank killing of a Japanese news photographer.

"You could have divested the Myanmar fields when Chevron bought their operator, Unocal, in 2005. Chevron said last year that it was considering such action, but failed to take it.

"You and your corporation have been silent as Myanmar troops fired on democracy proponents, beat them and incarcerated them. You have been silent about the continued imprisonment and intimidation of Aung San Suu Kyi, whose overwhelming 1990 election to lead the nation was overturned by force.

"Your ad campaign, which a Chevron official said would cost 'in the high tens of millions' of dollars, portrays a company that deeply cares about the world and its future. Given your investment in Myanmar alone, that is a gauzy, gorgeous lie.

"We urge you to immediately sever Chevron's ties to Myanmar's brutal government and personally speak out against its violent suppression of peaceful protest."

Now let's see if Chevron finds any truth in its advertising.


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Human Energy. Is that like people-powered? Even Kos sister Firedoglake nipped at Chevron Brave bloggers and their friends outside Burma are trying to keep information flowing to the outside world. Firepup Bob in HI sent me a set of great links he found in the WSJ - including Mizzima News, Irawaddy News which reminds us of the international oil companies including Chevron still doing business in Burma, and Democratic Voice of Burma.


Many Blogs will be staging more protests in the upcoming days. Docudharma is onboard too.

Kisses Budda CORRECTION: Buhdy and DocuDharma just support posting images and not doing much else. They fully support Kos running the ad

CALL TO ACTION!

We will be holding the CHEVRON PROTEST through FAX and PHONE calls on TUESDAY October 9th from 1:00pm-3:00pm Pacific Time (9:00pm-11pm GMT).

Chevron pays millions of dollars in oil and gas royalties to the current military junta. We will demand that they put these royalties in escrow for the legitimate, elected government of Burma headed by Aung San Suu Kyi. These monies are being pocketed by the military leaders - it is not their money.

Below is the contact info for each Chevron office throughout the world.

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http://protestchevron.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, October 2, 2007
Chevron Protest on TUESDAY October 9th 2007

Buddhist Monks and Dissidents still being tortured and arrested.
Along with many other, I will boycott Chevron and promote the boycott of Chevron in churches and elsewhere until you stop the oppression and slavery of the Burmese people.

chevronprotester@gmail.com <chevronprotester@gmail.com>

* Chevron pays millions of dollars in oil and gas royalties to the current military junta every year. This keeps the junta in power.
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* We will demand that they put these royalties in escrow for the legitimate, elected government of Burma headed by Aung San Suu Kyi. These monies are being pocketed by the military leaders - it is not their money.

* We are also asking that Chevron contribute significantly to humanitarian efforts in Burma. Such donations should be directly to the NGO's and not through the military government.

Below is the contact info for each Chevron office throughout the world.

When you call or fax ask for David O'Reilly, the CEO, to register your concern and protest Chevron's activity in Burma and ask that they put the royalty money in escrow for the elected government of Burma or sell their stake in the Yanada project.
* When you call aslo ask about their earnings surprise that they will come in well BELOW expectations. Is this the right time for them to be in a country like Burma?

Please email us at chevronprotester@gmail.com with any questions.

1.Chevron Corp.
6001 Bollinger Canyon Road
San Ramon, CA 94583
United States

* Phone: +1 925-842-3232
Fax: +1 925 842 3530

Ask for David O'Reilly, CEO or Investor Relations. Make sure you speak to an actual person within the company.

AND Call Chevron TOLL FREE in US and enter all zeroes for your credit card #: 1-800-243-8766 - ask for a supervisor and register your concern Email: shrrelations@melloninvestor.com

40.Please contact Chevron Investor Relations:
Phone: +1 925-842-5690
Email: invest@chevron.com
Bill Clutter, Assistant Manager


As of 11:15 AM this morning the ad is

STILL running. They just dont care. Or like other petty dicators MAMZ will just keep running it to prove how macho he is. Fuck you dirty hippies.

PRAISE THE MARTYR carlos oaxaca!!
I go out of my way to buy CITGO. The money from CITGO is being used for the benefit of the people of Venezuela. The greedy Int. Oil Corps have all been divested of their control over the natural resources of Venezuela. Also, Chavez even provided cheaper oil for America's poor. Imagine, we have sunk so low that a foreign government has to look out for the poor in this country, as their own government ignores them.

Banned for Critisizing Kos on Chevron. UPDATED.
by carlos oaxaca
Thu Oct 04, 2007

1 year ago, peter pan, was banned from DailyKos after this blog:

http://www.dailykos.com/...

Chevron was a greedy destructive corporation then, and it is now.

I have done 3 diaries the last 3 days with a Boycott Chevron Poll.

Each one had 85%+ Yes, Boycott Chevron.

But the question was been asked before by peter pan. keep reading please...


POLL from the diary in 10/2006

Boycott Chevron?
Yes, burning gas could flood earth's coasts.
46% 29 votes
No, if Markos approves of Chevron, it must ok.
11% 7 votes
What a stupid poll. Only the GOP can be corrupted by oil money.
41% 26 votes

| 62 votes

ya, so i WAS peter pan.

it was the 2nd time i've was banned from this site.
i often feel like i m gonna get banned again here.

CHEVRON Blog Ad POLL by Peter Pan
...
how much is chevron paying markos?
...
I don't care who loves Chevron... Enough with these diaries about Chevron...we get the point, you and others here obviously dislike the ad...it ain't going away--get over it, buy a subscription and block it if it gives you acid reflux. by michael1104 on Wed Oct 11, 2006

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has kos blogged on global warming since?

(1http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/4/201242/585i was also banned as common terry for blogging on palestine.


i know other good people have been banned here :

http://www.dailykos.com/...

the Ghost of Frank Zappa was BANNED
for asking these questions about Speaker Pelosi months ago.

by Johnny Double Adams on Mon Oct 01, 2007

thank you Meteor Blades for posting "For the Burmese, We Can Do More than Talk and March" on the front page.


Let me recommend, as others have done, that we start with the giant Chevron, in part because its many retail outlets throughout North America provide a ready-made forum for reaching lots of rank-and-file Americans. Just print and tape your own succinct mini-poster onto pumps urging customers to pick another place to buy their gasoline because Chevron props up the murdering generals of Burma by providing them with millions of dollars in oil revenues natural gas royalties each year. Those posters will no doubt disappear, but it’s easy enough to replace them frequently.

If you're up for it, pick a place on the public sidewalk in front or your local Chevron to picket and pass out leaflets and converse with would-be customers. Between 1 p.m. and 3 p.m. Pacific Time on Tuesday, October 9, join the call-in to Chevron HQ at 925-842-1000. Ask to speak with CEO David O’Reilly. You can also fax the company at 415-894-6817. If you own shares of Chevron, make your concerns known by calling investor relations at 925-842-5690.

Will Kos just stop running the Chevron ad once and for all. Or at least run this as well?

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Kos junta clamps down
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STOP THE ATROCITIES BEING COMMITTED AGAINST MONKS AND DISSIDENTS

BY THE BURMESE JUNTA!
http://uscampaignforburma.org/

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The Hunger Site dot com
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Reports: Regime Burning Bodies of Protestors, Including Those Still Alive in Crematorium,
Hear Audio Here.
Yet China Still Paralyzing UN Security Council

Donations Urgent Needed -- Donate Generously NOW.

China is paralyzing UN Security Council action on Burma. They are the main economic, military, and political supporters of the military junta. For fifteen years China has refused to press its closest ally to allow its people human rights, and used its veto power to block the UN Security Council from acting. As a result, the UN is making the same mistakes it made on Darfur and Rwanda. We are calling on people of conscience throughout the world to boycott the 2008 Chinese Olympics, join our efforts.

Reports: Regime Burning Bodies of Protestors, Including Those Still Alive in Crematorium

The military is now utilizing violence against monks and other non-violent protestors. They have beaten and arrested hundreds of people, and it is reported that more than a hundred have been killed. We are tired of the international communities just making statements - they must ACT.

Show your support and outrage - Take Action Now
Eastern Burma: Ignored Brutality

3000 Villages Destroyed in Burma, 1 million refugees, and the UN Security Council Does Nothing
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Postby sunny » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:05 pm

I go out of my way to buy CITGO


So do I.

NavnDansk, both of the links to Kos diaries is broken.

PFF is a pretty good site, I discovered it the other day through another blog. It is apparently full of people banned from Kos.

In recent days, FDL has been featuring Naomi Wolf blogging about Blackwater, tying it to her most recent book The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot. All of the articles were frightening and would have fit right in here at RI. Here is a good article she wrote for the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Here are the FDL threads:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/27/b ... cared-yet/

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/05/b ... hug-caste/

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/
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Postby NavnDansk » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:54 pm

People have been asking FDL to have an article on Blackwater, I'm glad they finally covered it. Maybe that's what it takes, even Kos allowed election fraud and 911 diaries for a time in the past few months and I wondered if the diaries not being taken down immediately was due to the outting of Kos, though it did not get the traction online that it should have. Several people in the comments warned the diarists about the policy against "conspiracy theories" on Kos.
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Postby Uncle $cam » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:26 am

Thought this might fit here, I find it highly amusing, in that it looks like a case of pot, kettle, black, if you get my drift, and not merely because of long held resentment I had over being banned from there for one to many times, bringing up the vote fraud/Kerry/Diebold fiasco.

Shenanigans at Huffington Post
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/23/02222/6466



I've nothing but contempt for Kos and what he has "done" for the blogosphere. Kos' specialty is dishonesty and authoritarianism - well that and building false dichotomies. His only buy-in is himself and how far we can all take him, and there is a very conscious effort going on at the Dailykos to squelch anything which does not conform to the echo chamber. And yes, I've paid plenty in blood, sweat, and tears for over 3 years to find all of this out for myself. He's as false a prophet as one can hope to find...that's not (just) anger speaking, it's my own honest assessment.

The problem there, as I see it, basically boils down to - the site is not an open exchange of ideas, whereby arguments rise or fall on their merits alone. It takes as little as two users to get another user's comment "hidden", and bannings happen without explanation for those who tread into any one of a bevy of taboo subjects (which are legion, given the site's loyalty to the democratic party). If one gives as little as two users the power to "disappear" people, it would seem that a thinking person must realize that little deathsquads will be popping up all over the place. Coincidentally (or not), the death squads which protect/match Markos' or dem party interests/opinions 'are not a problem'. This is obviously not a good situation from the perspective of facilitating open, honest, and productive long-term communications...

If the Dailykos had been operating when Galileo was trying to convince everyone the earth was not flat, I've no doubt he would not have been able to keep his comments from being hidden and/or banned (not that I'm Galileo by a longshot, but I stand by the analogy). The way that site is set up is only useful for maintaining a status quo, but it does not seem to encourage talk of paradigm changes, whatsoever. Whether this is an errant structural issue or a conscious effort to control and manipulate things by a few is what is most open to conjecture, imho.

Fuck the Dailykos.

Having said all that there are some good posts there and writers.


Also see,
Daily KOS silences international activist Ben Heine for "antiSemitism"
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... ic_id=2138

Little Green Footballs and others from the Giyus crowd called the shots and KOS folded banning an international peace activist of much stature. They got the article zapped and then went after his cartoons, calling them antiSemitic.
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Postby stickdog99 » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:25 pm

Here's what got me banned from Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/30/4910/85589

"Purity" troll raters hunting the site for thoughtcrime have not only made questioning the official 9/11 conspiracy an offense worthy of banning, they have also made simply questioning the political strategy of censoring all discussion of 9/11 a bannable offense as well.
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Postby FourthBase » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:05 pm

The first is whether the course of discussin involving gov't complicity (or not) in 9/11 is considered germane to the specific goals of this site. It has been declared not-germane, by kos and many others. By this standard, it's really not that you are being barred or called crazy for asking questions, it's that the debate itself is considered a distraction to the fairly narrow goals of the site, which is to help Democrats win elections. Agree or not (and many don't), it is still polite and expected to respect the standards of the site.


Okay, fair enough, if that's the case, e.g., if I have a forum devoted to my favorite TV show, I may not want there to be any discussion about other TV shows or dog shows or showgirls. But...the rest of those assholes, I want to punch them in the face. Turns out I hate gatekeeping leftists as much as I hate fascist right wing pigs. Go figure.
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Re: Reagan, El Salvador death squads, more...

Postby MinM » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:17 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Francis Holland's expose of 'Kos.' Go to original for many embedded links -

http://francislholland.blogspot.com/2007/07/indictment-of-markos-alberto-moulitsas.html

>begin Holland's article>>>>

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Research 2000 Chief Says Business Has Taken 'A Fatal Hit,' Promises 'Criminal Sanctions' For Kos | TPMMuckraker
Research 2000 President Deli Ali tells TPMmuckraker in an email that the explosive claim by Daily Kos Tuesday that the firm fabricated poll data has dealt a "fatal" blow to his business, and, "Several long time clients who believe in us have stated that even after we are cleared and criminal sanctions are imposed on Kos, that they can not do business with us due to perception."

It's not clear how Kos' accusing the firm of making up data would result in "criminal sanctions," but the charge is another sign of Ali amping up his pushback against Kos since the allegations were initially leveled.

Ali told the Lexington Herald-Leader that, "What we're going to reveal, that will be the end of the Daily Kos." He did not specify to the paper what he was talking about, but hinted it had to do with an alleged billing dispute, which we reported on yesterday.

Meanwhile, Ali's attorney sent a cease and desist letter to Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com (see it here) demanding he stop an alleged "campaign to discredit and damage R2K" and retract all previous criticism of the firm. Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas confirmed to TPMmuckraker last night that he too has received a cease and desist letter from R2K's lawyer...

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