I can see why we are so enslaved by our own predilections and why other sentient creatures might enjoy tearing off our flesh while eating us alive, just as we do to plants. They are probably just as oblivious to our anguish during the process as we are to hearing the protests of the plants and animals, as we tear of their flesh, commenting on how delicious it may be while we devour them and their born and unborn offspring.
I really should have thought a bit more before writing that because I do believe their are entities that thrive on our anguish from our sufferings.
They may even experience delight in our screams when removing our living flesh, knowing that only by doing so will we release our tenderizing hormones. Who knows?
But while they may experience 'delight', I doubt these entities are capable of experiencing 'the light'.
Btw, where's Mad Max? Has he returned from Cydonia yet? If not, someone send him a message telling him to keep his distance from the shadows...where danger lurks.
After looking at the story of "The Nine", it seems like some of the "aliens" are rather racist. Though perhaps these are the same "aliens" the Nazis seemed drawn too.
KeenInsight wrote:
8bitagent wrote:I dont know what program this is from, but I recently saw this documentary piece on these two women that recieved severe trauma and injuries from a UFO encounter in 1980 in Dayton Ohio. One of the women lost her business, got cancer and nearly died from her injuries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yh5YkmPFI
Is this a clear case of a government UFO, given the injuries? Though I have read of other severe injuries and even deaths resulting from UFO encounters.
There is an episode covered in Unsolved Mysteries about that family that sustained severe radiation exposure after witnessing a UFO, pointblank, while it hovered over the road they were driving on. You can find it in the Unsolved Mysteries UFO Files link I posted several posts up.
After it flew off, it was followed by twin rotor helicopters according to the women (from the description, probably Boeing CH-47 Chinooks). It left a dark circle on the road after the incident, but a few weeks later, unknown individuals cut the large asphalt away, put it onto a semi, and put down new asphalt. A MUFON investigator, an older guy (who was in the same UM episode), and I forget his name, saw the area on the road where the UFO had hovered over before it was replaced with new asphalt.
Their exposure is somewhat like the case of Stephen Michalak, in 1967, known as the "The Falcon Lake Landing." In both cases, doctors confirmed that the victims had been subjected to extreme amounts of radiation.
Yep, thats the same one, though this is a much newer(within the last few years) program on cable on youtube. Would a non earthly craft create such conditions I wonder? How could helicopters have gotten there so fast? The program I saw hinted more at the belief that it was government black ops.
The silver cylindar UFOs are some of the most intriguing to me, as a form of them have been photographed since the 1880's("cigar shaped") I checked out some of the links from youtube. I had no idea just how many astronauts have encountered this stuff, as well as how much NASA footage has pretty obvious UFOs.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
I can see why we are so enslaved by our own predilections and why other sentient creatures might enjoy tearing off our flesh while eating us alive, just as we do to plants. They are probably just as oblivious to our anguish during the process as we are to hearing the protests of the plants and animals, as we tear of their flesh, commenting on how delicious it may be while we devour them and their born and unborn offspring.
I really should have thought a bit more before writing that because I do believe their are entities that thrive on our anguish from our sufferings.
They may even experience delight in our screams when removing our living flesh, knowing that only by doing so will we release our tenderizing hormones. Who knows?
I can imagine the instant ripping apart of 3000 souls, destruction of esoteric symbolic buildings across ley lines and an instant mass insanity fear and anguish of a whole nation with subsequent endless wars must have been a particular delicious treat. Conspiracists say "spooks" are behind 9/11. One has to wonder if its all of the suit and tie variety.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
8bitagent wrote:After looking at the story of "The Nine", it seems like some of the "aliens" are rather racist. Though perhaps these are the same "aliens" the Nazis seemed drawn too.
There was an entertaining article at Nexus Magazine several years ago about Nazi bases at the South Pole (Secret War in Antarctica, IIRC) that combined a nightmarish number of elements from Nazism, UFO/saucer and alien lore, to cryptozoology and genetic experimentation.
It used to be at http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles /SecretWar1.html but seems to have gone behind the pay wall after their last makeover. Been all over the place trying to find an archive of it. Lots of articles describing it, but it seems itself to be gone. (on edit, just found a copy at http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierr ... eca_13.htm) Dunno about it's veracity, but the first part describing the author? witness?- I'm afraid I don't remember exactly which- descending into this underground installation in Newuschwabenland would make a really trippy movie someday.
UFO's have always intrigued me. Back in the 70's, my mom used to get those mass paperbacks about the Bermuda Triangle and UFO's. Somewhere around '71 or 2 or so, she dragged a young me off to see Erich Von Daniken on one of his first 'Chariots Of the Gods' lecture tours.
Another piece of family talk involved my uncle seeing a saucer while he was headed out to the back forty early in the morning of 11/22/63.
Can I vote for all of the above? Just because some may be nuts and bolts (of various origins) doesn't necessarily preclude the supernatural origin of others.
My husband and I saw something one afternoon. At first it looked like a huge piece of brown mylar, it seemed to flutter and twist, but it was moving steadily, low in the air, in a straight line and at a constant and fairly slow rate of speed. It was hard to look at, the planes of it kept shifting, but it seemed to flap, almost bird-like. It had two glowing red lights toward the top. And it felt nasty. My husband and I talked about that afterwards, while watching it we felt what can only describe as revulsion...and a bit of fear as well. I was put in mind of some of the mothman phenomena, but thankfully no bridges collapsed in Sacramento that year.
“The Radium Water Worked Fine until His Jaw Came Off”
Iamwhomiam wrote:Btw, where's Mad Max? Has he returned from Cydonia yet? If not, someone send him a message telling him to keep his distance from the shadows...where danger lurks.
I thought someone was "rubbing my lamp"
Don't u worry... I am lurking and I've even managed to make one or two friends behind the scene here.
8bitagent wrote:After looking at the story of "The Nine", it seems like some of the "aliens" are rather racist. Though perhaps these are the same "aliens" the Nazis seemed drawn too.
There was an entertaining article at Nexus Magazine several years ago about Nazi bases at the South Pole (Secret War in Antarctica, IIRC) that combined a nightmarish number of elements from Nazism, UFO/saucer and alien lore, to cryptozoology and genetic experimentation.
Can't find out what it was named after Tabarin brings nothing usefl from google, the original article's mistaken "Taberlan" seems to be an obscure and archaic Parissien night spot.
Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that all was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, and make it possible. -- Lawrence of Arabia
8bitagent wrote: After looking at the story of "The Nine", it seems like some of the "aliens" are rather racist. Though perhaps these are the same "aliens" the Nazis seemed drawn too.
I find "The Nine" and their surprisingly racist alien "teachings" interesting too. For some background pertaining to them (and particularly to Andrija Puharich's ringmaster role), here's The Stargate Conundrum and also the postscript on Reactions to its revelations.
I can see why we are so enslaved by our own predilections and why other sentient creatures might enjoy tearing off our flesh while eating us alive, just as we do to plants. They are probably just as oblivious to our anguish during the process as we are to hearing the protests of the plants and animals, as we tear of their flesh, commenting on how delicious it may be while we devour them and their born and unborn offspring.
I really should have thought a bit more before writing that because I do believe their are entities that thrive on our anguish from our sufferings.
They may even experience delight in our screams when removing our living flesh, knowing that only by doing so will we release our tenderizing hormones. Who knows?
I can imagine the instant ripping apart of 3000 souls, destruction of esoteric symbolic buildings across ley lines and an instant mass insanity fear and anguish of a whole nation with subsequent endless wars must have been a particular delicious treat. Conspiracists say "spooks" are behind 9/11. One has to wonder if its all of the suit and tie variety.
Long before Avatar was even being written, I wondered very seriously if some forms of consciousness might be capable of placing themselves within the "avatar bodies" of certain chosen humans.
And, on the outside chance this might be possible, how widespread might this be?
"The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego."
So the idea that BoLs could be conscious and intelligent, yet somehow tied to the earth's geomagnetic systems, seems both plausible and romantically attractive.
"Are those BoLs in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"
Cosmic Cowbell wrote:
Created by the media and intelligence services as a disinfo psy-op.
Again, too much pre-history to be seriously considered, and yet a given in modern age Ufology. No one should be surprised here, given the truth that is "Nuts and bolts craft from another world." I think that both the truth of this fact along with the truth that those who perpetrate the disinfo/psy-op's have nary a clue is somehwat explanatory when hypothesizing motive. Fear (possibly abject terror) can be quite motivational.
If you're willing to concede to the possibility that life exist elsewhere, and then concede that it's evolutionary path is unknown to us, then the ideas above can easily fit under the influence of the Magic of Advanced Technologies that we might have yet to imagine. And -if-, through this Magic, they can manipulate space/time and your mind, then all of the above can be made ti fit neatly into a lager holistic view. Because it can't be "Elves/Fairies" -AND- "Demons/Angels" -AND- "Hyper/Ultra Dimensional's" -AND "Cryptoterrestrials" -AND- "Aliens" -AND- etc, etc.
Can it?
~C
I think it can but your point is valid.
And if the entities are non-corporeal balls of energy, well then they can likely frazzle humans' and other species' consciousness via their EMFs to appear however they want. Though I think it is equally likely that their appearance is determined by the unconcsious expectations of the percipient filtered through regional / cultural layers of the collective unconscious, a la Thomas Bearden's ZARG! hypothesis.
Cosmic Cowbell wrote: Hey...wait a minute...Hyper Dimensional Earth Lights...yeah, that's the ticket...
That ... is ... SO ... awesome!!
Stephen Morgan wrote:
8bitagent wrote:I dont know what program this is from, but I recently saw this documentary piece on these two women that recieved severe trauma and injuries from a UFO encounter in 1980 in Dayton Ohio. One of the women lost her business, got cancer and nearly died from her injuries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yh5YkmPFI
Is this a clear case of a government UFO, given the injuries? Though I have read of other severe injuries and even deaths resulting from UFO encounters.
Is it Cash Landrum?
Yep. I remember first hearing about this as a child watching THAT'S INCREDIBLE...
In 1981 Vickie Landrum appeared on That's Incredible, a popular ABC television program. Vickie was hypnotized in front of a studio audience; under hypnosis she recounted the UFO incident.
Yep, he's in this first segment! Wow! Am so glad to finally hear from him after all these years.
And it wasn't just a "couple of helicopters" sighted by the family, it was TWENTY THREE!!
The object then moved to a point higher in the sky. As it ascended over the treetops, the witnesses claimed that a group of helicopters approached the object and surrounded it in tight formation. Cash and Landrum counted 23 helicopters, and later identified some of them as tandem-rotor CH-47 Chinooks used by military forces worldwide.
This is the aspect that made ufo investigators hope they could find some verifiable information as one would think it would be easy to locate that many military aircraft. However, this proved to be more difficult than expected as, if I remember correctly, noone could find an airbase with that many copters, and others suggested it would have been very difficult to get that many pilots as it was right during the Christmas holiday season (December 29, 1980).
I believe that the above may have been reported by J. Allen Hynek in an interview he gave within an issue of OMNI magazine - and in which he eventually alluded to the idea of interdimensional / extraterrestrial holographic projection as a possible explanation for this case... I think.
As it turns out, spooky ole John Alexander apparently also was involved in the investigation of this case:
Paranormal Soldier: John Alexander From Special Services to spoon-benders and UFOs
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JS: I understand that, in addition to all the unusual things you did while at INSCOM, you looked in on a famous UFO incident – the Cash Landrum case [in which two people in a car in rural Texas received radiation-like injuries, said to have been caused by a diamond-shaped UFO].
JA: What happened with Cash Landrum is that the Air Force got sued. The witnesses said that they had seen helicopters with the UFO. But their description matched CH-47 helicopters, which are Army. So the case got thrown to the Army, and it ended up at the Army IG where I had worked. A lieutenant colonel at IG by the name of George Sarran got the case. Previously, I had worked with George on other, regular investigations. And he basically called and said, “Help! What is this?”
There were three of us that really got involved. A Navy captain, Paul Tyler, who was an MD, and a guy by the name of Richard Niemtzow, an Air Force MD.
And George just had us come in, look at the material and talk to the witnesses. He had done a really thorough job. But all we came up with was, WTF? We had no idea what this was. And what eventually happened was that the lawsuit was dismissed, because there didn’t appear to be a causal relationship between the US government and the incident. Which is probably true, though the case really was a major mystery.
KeenInsight wrote:There is an episode covered in Unsolved Mysteries about that family that sustained severe radiation exposure after witnessing a UFO, pointblank, while it hovered over the road they were driving on. You can find it in the Unsolved Mysteries UFO Files link I posted several posts up.
After it flew off, it was followed by twin rotor helicopters according to the women (from the description, probably Boeing CH-47 Chinooks). It left a dark circle on the road after the incident, but a few weeks later, unknown individuals cut the large asphalt away, put it onto a semi, and put down new asphalt. A MUFON investigator, an older guy (who was in the same UM episode), and I forget his name, saw the area on the road where the UFO had hovered over before it was replaced with new asphalt.
Their exposure is somewhat like the case of Stephen Michalak, in 1967, known as the "The Falcon Lake Landing." In both cases, doctors confirmed that the victims had been subjected to extreme amounts of radiation.
And there were other witnesses to the copters...
Other witnesses
Investigators later located a Dayton police officer, Detective Lamar Walker, and his wife who claimed to have seen 12 Chinook-type helicopters near the same area the Cash-Landrum event allegedly occurred and at roughly the same time. These other witnesses did not report seeing a large diamond-shaped object. Detective Walker investigated this incident but was misled on numerous occasions by high ranking military officials, including those reportedly from the pentagon.
And the legal case brought them to Austin's Bergstrom AFB...
Legal action
Eventually, Cash and Landrum contacted their U.S. Senators, Lloyd Bentsen and John Tower, who suggested that the witnesses file a complaint with the Judge Advocate Claims office at Bergstrom Air Force Base. In August 1981, Cash, Landrum, and Colby were interviewed at length by personnel at Bergstrom Air Force Base, and were told that they should hire a lawyer, and seek compensation for their injuries.
Nordic wrote:Now, when I see a story like that, I think "military project". Imagine you'd never heard of UFO,s nobody had ever seen them before, and this story hit. Knowing what we know about the military, and all the crap they do, one would just assume that this is was military in origin. In fact, there's no reason to think that this particular incident is anything but military.
IMHO.
Well, again, no one seemed able to track down the copters but then there is the story about them running into one of the pilots later...
Other witnesses
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One day in April 1981 a CH-47 flew into Dayton. As Colby watched he became very upset. Vickie decided to take him to the spot where the helicopter had landed in the hope that it would seem less frightening on the ground. When they reached the landing zone they found a lot of people there already and had to wait some time before they were allowed to go inside the helicopter and talk to the pilot. Vickie and another visitor both claim that the pilot said he had been in the area before for the purpose of checking on a UFO in trouble near Huffman. When Vickie told the pilot how glad she was to see him, because she had been one of the people burned by the UFO, he refused to talk to them any more and hustled them out of the aircraft. (Corpus Christi Caller)
Though there is no direct citation for the alleged issue of the Corpus Christi Caller - Texas Scripps Newspapers, L.P. A Scripps Howard newspaper that supposedly verifies this story.
Coincidentally, Betty Cash died at the age of 69 on December 29, 1998, exactly 18 years after her claimed close encounter.
I'm still not sure that there is a "saucer menace," but still...
"The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego."
Iamwhomiam wrote:Uh, Sim... Isn't that the family's umbrella over their picnic table?
I think you're right. Of course, the Heene's have been known for empty flights of fancy before...
Who knows what they might think of next?
My point is that if there is a "saucer menace," much of it can be found in the charlatans and hoaxers (like Richard Heene for just one example), who turn what should be a matter for serious inquiry into an empty caricature of itself, and a tool for ridicule.
"The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego."
