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BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:27 am

So I hear on the radio. Can't find it on the BBC website, they were interviewing some native woman working for the WFP. It was crossing continents, which is probably available on the iPlayer and might be repeated later in the week, not sure. Apparently the werewolves are often seen by more than one person at a time and are seen more often since the earthquake because people are outside more, now that they don't have houses.

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PORT-AU-PRINCE (Reuters) - The earthquake that shattered Haiti has unleashed fears that child-eating spirits, mythological figures entrenched in Haitian culture, are prowling homeless camps in search of young prey.

The 'loup-garou,' which means 'wolf man,' is similar to werewolf legends in other parts of the world, but in Haitian folklore it is a person who is possessed by a spirit and can turn into a beast or even a dog, cat, chicken, snake or another animal to suck the blood of babies and young children.

Haitians fear loups-garous in the best of times and even more since a powerful earthquake wrecked the capital of Port-au-Prince two weeks ago, killing as many as 200,000 people and forcing hundreds of thousands more to sleep outside in vast camps or on the streets.

Some people accused of being loups-garous have apparently been lynched since the earthquake, including a man killed at the La Grotte camp for displaced people on a barely accessible hillside that looks down on Port-au-Prince.


"After the earthquake, the loup-garou fled from prison. He was bragging that he was in jail because he was caught eating children ... During the night he went into the tents and tried to take someone's child," said Michaelle Casseus, a camp resident.

In another camp, residents described beating a man almost to death after he tried to take a baby during the night.

Night-time patrols have been set up to deter the spirits, who are also called 'lougarou' in the Creole language.

"The loup-garou is profiting from the earthquake to eat the children," said Milot Bazelais, a civil servant who was left homeless by the quake and also works for a charity group to help neighborhood children.

He said he had heard that one patrol killed a spirit before she had time to change form.

SPIRITUAL COMBAT

Most of Haiti's 9 million people are Roman Catholics but many also practice voodoo, a religion with African roots.

The belief in loups-garous cuts across religious identity and is most strongly adhered to among Haiti's poor, which are the majority in the most impoverished country in the western hemisphere.

Sylvain Lafalaisse, Haiti's secretary of state for finance, says the fears are stronger in times of social dislocation.

"People talk about loups-garous to give a name to their fears, but it is child snatchers who snatch children, not evil spirits," said Lafalaisse.

Thousands of Haitian children have been orphaned or separated from their parents by the earthquake, and the government and aid groups warn of a growing threat of child traffickers seizing young children for illegal adoptions.

Haiti's government says it has already buried 120,000 victims of the January 12 earthquake, and tens of thousands more are believed to have been buried by their families or are still in the rubble of wrecked buildings.

At a mass grave in Titayen just north of Port-au-Prince, mechanical diggers have churned personal possessions of the dead to the surface -- a student ID card, a child's pink sandal, a school satchel complete with school books and pencils and a Bible lay strewn across the enormous grave site on Monday.

Voodoo priests are objecting to mass burials, saying they do not respect the dignity of the dead.

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Haiti’s homeless are haunted by creatures who prowl the night.

Port-au-Prince, Haiti – The corpse of a young man, bloodied by bullet wounds, lay on Boulevard Truman in the center of Port-au-Prince, Haiti’s capital, a few hundred yards from a rag-tag camp for the homeless.

Why this man was killed is unknown, but a deeply ingrained belief in the occult can explain some of the sporadic outbreaks of violence among the 690,000 people left on the streets by the earthquake of January 12.

By night, mythical creatures are said to prowl the camps, snatching and murdering children. Many Haitians are convinced that people possessed by evil spirits turn into wolves after dark, a version of the werewolf legend.These loups-garoux, or wolf-men, are thought to be preying on defenseless people sleeping in the open.

“Almost all Haitian families are afraid of this,” said Vladimir Cadet, 29, who is among the homeless. “While they are sleeping in the street, they are living with this reality. There was a woman whose two children were taken by a werewolf. This kind of thing is spreading like wildfire.”

Mr Cadet, an English-speaking university graduate, is convinced of the existence of werewolves. “I have never seen one but I’ve been told by my mother that they exist. When I was a little boy, I was nearly taken.”

This widespread belief in the occult has worsened the ordeal of the homeless. As well as facing the daily burden of finding food and water, many also live with the fear that creatures of the night will abduct their children.

Where Mr Cadet sleeps, people have formed brigades of watchmen who guard against the twin dangers of thieves and werewolves. Anyone suspected of falling into either category is liable to be killed.

About half of Haiti’s 9 million people are thought actively to practice voodoo. Many more share some of these beliefs.

This has had one positive effect in the earthquake’s aftermath. Voodoo holds that human beings never truly die – instead their spirits simply migrate to another dimension of existence.

Consequently, the 150,000 people who were claimed by the natural disaster are thought to live on in a parallel universe, from where they might occasionally contact their relatives in this world.

In a country bereft of comfort, this belief is a rare source of peace for the survivors of its tragedy. – David Blair
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Re: BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:38 am

There are voracious werewolves in Haiti but they live in the tony suburbs, own factories and land, and basically run the whole place as their personal plaything...
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Re: BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:50 am

fo sur ..............werewolves of LONDON......Draw blood


Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:35 pm

Kim, welcome to Democracy Now! Lay out this issue of land, which is not being raised very much.

KIM IVES: Well, Amy, as we saw, in fact, the wolves have been put in charge of the chicken coop. The bourgeoisie has been put in charge of resettling the squatters’ camps, and they have the best land in suburban Port-au-Prince, the large tracts of land very suited to building cities of new cities, where people could have good houses. And there’s dozens of proposals of how to build those houses. But the good land is not being given. What they’ve done is give a place like Corail, which they own, too, and they pay themselves handsomely for its use. And so, what they’re doing is keeping their best land; selling, at a high profit, their worst land. And the people are paying the price.

SHARIF ABDEL KOUDDOUS: And Kim, when you say "they," you’re talking about the CIRH, the Interim Commission to Reconstruct Haiti. Can you describe who makes up this commission? And also, it’s really an underreported fact that the parliament in Haiti in mid-March voted to cede power to this commission. Explain.

KIM IVES: Exactly. They essentially committed suicide to give this commission, which is composed of foreign bankers and foreign governments, like the US, France and Canada, which were behind the 2004 coup d’état against Aristide—they essentially control this commission, along with thirteen members. The other thirteen members are members of Haiti’s elite, represented by people like Reginald Boulos, who heads the principal bourgeois family who was behind the '94 coup—the ’91 coup and the 2004 coup. So these families are now in charge, along with the US and along with the banks, IMF, World Bank, Inter-American Development Bank, of Haiti's reconstruction. And to me, it’s going to be the Haitian equivalent of the US bank bailout, where essentially they’re going to take these billions of dollars and funnel it into their own pockets.


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Re: BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:05 pm

This story intrigues me on a few levels.

Funny enough, it reminds me of the writing of someone I consider to be the biggest prude and most awful writer in the occult biz: Montague Summers.

I read his book on werewolves several years ago. I can dismiss HIS views easily as the product of a priggish homophobic guy who seemed obsessed with young male buttocks and the desecration thereof.

On the other hand, I cannot dismiss the historical and legendary fodder from which he spun his book.

Frankly, werewolves sound a lot like Jeffery Dahmer. I wouldn't be surprised if they were a metaphor for bestial sexual killers of that type.

Victims of the phenomena labelled 'werewolf' tend to be young, often innocent. Little Red Riding Hood is, at it's heart, a werewolf story.

I have much respect for Voodoo; I've been ridden a few times myself, BUT... Mental illness in the wake of this type of disaster is not unheard of and I seem to remember more werewolf stories cropping up at periods of historical stress- turkish invasions of europe, hundred years war, thirty years war...the general disorder and lack of stability seems to bring that out. I would worry that the naive, thru cultural indoctrination in such religions would possibly leave themselves to be ridden (or believe that they are) by whatever, figuring it was in some sense an act of 'god' if they were. Much more darkly, others might be willing to be ridden by dark entities as an act of power or an exchange for power-something which is probably sorely lacking at this time in place in Haiti. And some might even take cover under those traditions, knowing the mayhem they caused will be blamed on agencies other than theirs (not to mention the advantages of having a great cultural boogie man to keep the rabble in their places).

And then I wonder how many 'captured/killed' werewolves are the usual- eccentrics, loners and societal misfits. Patsies, if you will.

Just thoughts...almost random really...shapeshifting has always been with us and seems to be an attribute more of dark sorcery than white magic.

Thank you for this juicy (sick pun intended :) ) bit of mental fodder, Stephen.
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Postby crikkett » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:34 pm

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I just finished the audio book of Jim Butcher's very nerdy but still entertaining detective novel "Fool Moon," starring a loup-garou who lays waste to a Chicago Police Station. The narrator does a good job.
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Re: BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby Simulist » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:55 pm

BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

When you see "Haitian refugee children" start "eating werewolves," run.
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Re: BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:15 pm

Twyla LaSarc wrote:Funny enough, it reminds me of the writing of someone I consider to be the biggest prude and most awful writer in the occult biz: Montague Summers.


Always liked him.

Frankly, werewolves sound a lot like Jeffery Dahmer. I wouldn't be surprised if they were a metaphor for bestial sexual killers of that type.


This is exactly the position taken is the Reverend Sabine Baring-Gould's Book of Werewolves.

I have much respect for Voodoo; I've been ridden a few times myself,


As in hag-riding, you mean? The original of the "night mare" or "night rider", to be ridden through the night by a witch, sometimes having first been transformed into a horse by a magic bridle.
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Re: BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:34 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:
Twyla LaSarc wrote:Funny enough, it reminds me of the writing of someone I consider to be the biggest prude and most awful writer in the occult biz: Montague Summers.


Always liked him.

Frankly, werewolves sound a lot like Jeffery Dahmer. I wouldn't be surprised if they were a metaphor for bestial sexual killers of that type.


This is exactly the position taken is the Reverend Sabine Baring-Gould's Book of Werewolves.

I have much respect for Voodoo; I've been ridden a few times myself,


As in hag-riding, you mean? The original of the "night mare" or "night rider", to be ridden through the night by a witch, sometimes having first been transformed into a horse by a magic bridle.


Sorry. Never got the hang of Summers, although, his basic facts and the legends he draws from are important for the record. In that, he is as valuable as Frasier. I just don't care for his rather uptight Catholic editorializing at times. I will say that he does not flinch from the most horrible things, and perhaps that is needed in a world where fluffy new age occultism has tried to whitewash the motivations of our ancestors and their Gods. However, he also doesn't acknowledge the fact that medieval Catholicism demonized everything that was not strictly of the pope's church and often can't be bothered to separate the threads of Pagan, Hellensitic, Eastern and and Egyptian religion (let alone heretical christian/gnostic thought) from medieval devil superstition.

I've never read Baring-Gould, I'll have to look that up, thanks! :)

As for 'riding', it's a long story and one that I still find incredible. In a nutshell, about 15 years back my then-husband (who was agnostic religion-wise and in no way even interested in the occult) began to act somewhat peculiar- spontaneously going into trance and talking about things he would have had no conscious knowledge of. I convinced him to sit in on a ritual (My practice is mostly Western Ceremonialist, with a few chaotic substitutes when ditch-born babes are unavailable :) ) to perhaps channel and explore where this strangeness was coming from. Both of us certainly got more than we bargained for- after banishing and the initial invocation, something palpably descended into us. Over the course of a few hours, my unbeliever husband personified Apollo, Pan, and the Horned God, literally changing form as he did so. I was quite conscious of the goddess descending into me, at first feeling her as an Ishtar/Astarte type, wildly sexual and almost haughty. It was weird, because even though the Goddess was directing my movements, I still had control to carry on inner dialogue with her and could feel her thoughts and replies as something alien to mine. At one point, the Goddess, wholly pissed that my fearful husband wasn't able to hold his shape threatened to harm him. Alarmed, I apologized and quickly forced a change myself, spreading outwards like the sea, becoming something like the Venus of Willendorf, the ultimate mother, who seeing a being in pain, reached out for him and held him close for the rest of the night. During that time, that Goddess took me to see visions, askashic records and the like (which I saw as ranks of old-fashioned card catalogues, which goes to show, you never quite leave your cultural conditioning behind...).

As dawn came, the Gods departed, I banished and things returned to normality-kind of. We experienced what I can only describe as a deep and peaceful euphoria for the next couple of weeks. I was probably the most patient, kind and loving person I've ever been. Something in us had been changed so drastically that my mother's dog didn't recognize me at first, I had to make friends all over again.

Never been ridden by 'hags' that I know of (although perhaps hag is one of those medievalisms that could mean everything from Gods to evil devil spawn, ie: something not endorsed by the church), but being a 'horse' was not necessarily a bad experience. It certainly gave me insight into voodoo, medieval witchcraft and the jungian collective unconsciousness.

I have had a few other peak experiences in that realm, but never so engulfing and amazing as that one. Hope this all isn't TL/DR- it's actually interesting to be able to relate such things. First and foremost, I am a psychonaut. I find the mind itself to be incredible and seek to explore where it seems to interface with the 'outer' universe. I believe people who exploit this phenomena for short-term lusts and power are in danger of destroying their own minds and souls. On that, I think ol' Montague and myself could agree.
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Re: BBC: Werewolves eating Haitian refugee children

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:34 am

Twyla LaSarc wrote:Sorry. Never got the hang of Summers, although, his basic facts and the legends he draws from are important for the record. In that, he is as valuable as Frasier. I just don't care for his rather uptight Catholic editorializing at times.


As a protestant I object to his equivocating protestants with devil-worshippers, especially as he was a defrocked protestant priest himself (although he continued to call himself Reverend).

Never been ridden by 'hags' that I know of (although perhaps hag is one of those medievalisms that could mean everything from Gods to evil devil spawn, ie: something not endorsed by the church), but being a 'horse' was not necessarily a bad experience. It certainly gave me insight into voodoo, medieval witchcraft and the jungian collective unconsciousness.


Being a horse might not be too bad, but being a human turned into a horse against ones will only to be kidnapped and forced into bestial servitude might not be ideal. The hags were believed by the Icelander to be trolls, sort of elf sorts. Nowadays they're supposed to be phantasms of the sleep paralysis state. Lots of paranormal stuff in the Icelandic sagas. Seal-ghosts. Revenants. Prophets. People being ridden by witches.
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