The Good News About Mel Gibson

[82_28]

I'm searching my memory banks as to the last time I used the term "slut". I think last time I probably used it was in jest with a girlfriend or friend or something. I think however, boys are gonna talk like boys and I do believe that we know the track record of our fellow Internet friends that begin with the letter "N". I don't think anybody meant to hurt anyone's feelings.

But da bizatch is a s---.

Bottom line, boys talk like boys. Bottom line? That's what she said. "That's what she said" is a popular one about now -- you can add it to just about anything. Funny right? Doesn't make it right, but it happens and I don't think that either Norton or Nordic disrespect women in the least and I know from on high, not that I've met him, but he loves his family very much. Note Nordic's comment (comment 1) in my Oil Spill/Racism thread. Some of us just so happen to grow up around that language and behavior.

And you know, now that I think of it I say "some fucking bitch did _____" all the time. Also I say "some fucking cocksucker" too. Just depends on gender.

Not saying anyone is wrong or right here. But boys are gonna talk like boys. End of story. Character matters more than motherfucking words.

(I was just told by my stepdad last weekend when hanging out with my mom that she hates it when I say "motherfucking" or "motherfucker". But I use the word all the time when I get worked up and me and my mom get worked up about politics together all the time. It just is what it is. Sorry mom.)

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FWIW, I'd be surprised if norton ash was actually sexist. As I read the comment in question, he's sarcastically assuming another's voice in a cynical way. Correct me if I'm wrong, norton.

I love both norton ash and you, Perelandra.*** Nothing either of you could do would significantly affect that. Nevertheless...



...there's a difference between reason and rationalization. And sometimes it's a meaningful one.

*** Although personally, I so very much don't care for 99 per cent of the work of Roger Waters that I don't think I could bring myself to post most of it in the form in which he originally delivered it to the world. But there's no arguing over taste, I readily concede. So it's no big deal to me if others feel differently. Some kind of an explanation seemed called for wrt the video choice, that's all.

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I'm searching my memory banks as to the last time I used the term "slut". I think last time I probably used it was in jest with a girlfriend or friend or something. I think however, boys are gonna talk like boys and I do believe that we know the track record of our fellow Internet friends that begin with the letter "N". I don't think anybody meant to hurt anyone's feelings.

But da bizatch is a s---.

Bottom line, boys talk like boys. Bottom line? That's what she said. "That's what she said" is a popular one about now -- you can add it to just about anything. Funny right? Doesn't make it right, but it happens and I don't think that either Norton or Nordic disrespect women in the least and I know from on high, not that I've met him, but he loves his family very much. Note Nordic's comment (comment 1) in my Oil Spill/Racism thread. Some of us just so happen to grow up around that language and behavior.

And you know, now that I think of it I say "some fucking bitch did _____" all the time. Also I say "some fucking cocksucker" too. Just depends on gender.

Not saying anyone is wrong or right here. But boys are gonna talk like boys. End of story. Character matters more than motherfucking words.

(I was just told by my stepdad last weekend when hanging out with my mom that she hates it when I say "motherfucking" or "motherfucker". But I use the word all the time when I get worked up and me and my mom get worked up about politics together all the time. It just is what it is. Sorry mom.)

Have you ever considered writing for The New York Times, 82_28? Because you really have a gift for that on-the-one-hand-there's-evidence-of-a-problem, on-the-other-there-are-people-who-minimize-it technique on which the rules of objective journalism that have served us so well over the last decade or so depend.

Just a thought. Which I'm adding just in case it's been so long that you no longer recognize them when you see them. Because you do seem to go out of your way to make that impression. Although I personally have always felt that "seem to" is actually both superfluous and misleading, quite frankly.



Thanks for sharing your non-opinion, though. Because the nothing it adds is a credit to the board. As always.

[Nordic]

Since when did this place become a bastion of the PC police? Jesus Fucking Christ.

We're joking about a very public train wreck, of a very wretched human being. And we can't make fun of half of it because, why, she's FEMALE?

Fuck that shit.

So if I make fun of Mel Gibson I hate men and think they're sex objects, especially in his case because, well, he used to be a sex object?

Right if I make fun of him, I'm making fun of Australians, alcoholics, Catholics, and poor misunderstood rich fucks.

People here are taking themselves WAY too seriously over something that's nothing more than fodder for Chelsea Lately and the E! channel.

This is bullshit.

Have a fucking sense of humor people.

And you hit ME up with the strawman accusation after C2W made the biggest fucking strawman this side of the original Wicker Man in response to Norton's post?

FUCK YOU

[Nordic]

While I'm at it, I'll just let you know that my grandfather's fortune was wiped out by a fucking golddiger, who was his oncology nurse in the hospital. She knew he had money, threw out the bait, reeled him in, got him to fucking MARRY her, then after he died about two months later she locked herself up in the house, started selling every damn thing as fast as she could. By the time the lawyers were hired and managed to salvage a little of what was left, well, there was hardly anything left. Three generations of a family business down the tubes because of this gold digging SLUT.

There, I said it.

Maybe Mel's girlfriend is a gold digger, maybe she's not. Even if she is, does that give him a right to abuse her? No of course not and I NEVER FUCKING SAID IT DID.

Get over yourself, you pathetic politically correct twits.

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Since when did this place become a bastion of the PC police? Jesus Fucking Christ.

We're joking about a very public train wreck, of a very wretched human being. And we can't make fun of half of it because, why, she's FEMALE?

Fuck that shit.

So if I make fun of Mel Gibson I hate men and think they're sex objects, especially in his case because, well, he used to be a sex object?

Right if I make fun of him, I'm making fun of Australians, alcoholics, Catholics, and poor misunderstood rich fucks.

People here are taking themselves WAY too seriously over something that's nothing more than fodder for Chelsea Lately and the E! channel.

This is bullshit.

Have a fucking sense of humor people.

And you hit ME up with the strawman accusation after C2W made the biggest fucking strawman this side of the original Wicker Man in response to Norton's post?

FUCK YOU

You are so boring sometimes, did you know that? Because most narcissists don't in my experience.

While I'm at it, I'll just let you know that my grandfather's fortune was wiped out by a fucking golddiger, who was his oncology nurse in the hospital. She knew he had money, threw out the bait, reeled him in, got him to fucking MARRY her, then after he died about two months later she locked herself up in the house, started selling every damn thing as fast as she could. By the time the lawyers were hired and managed to salvage a little of what was left, well, there was hardly anything left. Three generations of a family business down the tubes because of this gold digging SLUT.

There, I said it.

Maybe Mel's girlfriend is a gold digger, maybe she's not. Even if she is, does that give him a right to abuse her? No of course not and I NEVER FUCKING SAID IT DID.

Get over yourself, you pathetic politically correct twits.

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[82_28]

Hey now. What did I do? I just told you guys what I thought. I am nothing but nice to all the people on this board. You don't have to be fucking lame. Name one time anywhere in all my history on this board I have been lame. I take no sides and the only time I have had to was over PM with another member only to make it known how I felt personally and then got out of the situation altogether. I merely fucking said "I am no better" than anyone, but that I didn't think it was necessary to tell the Ns that they should take their language elsewhere. I made it clear that I am no better, that I understand their language, would I call someone a "slut" in anger, fuck no, but I do understand, their use of the term. Is it derogatory? Yes. Do I condone it? No. Do I have my own flaws in everyday language use? Yes. There is absolutely nothing in that post that even resembles me "waffling" on jack shit. I only expressed my opinion, stood up for some as I saw it and didn't say anything insulting or condescending to any member. I never have and I never will.

You seem to be being lame, as I said. I have nothing but respect for all bona-fide members of this board. Warts and all. I will continue to use the term "seems" for as long as I live. There are opinions and there are facts. When I speak from the perspective of my opinion I often use the term "seems". Fuck the NYTimes too. I don't need to be belittled. I would not do it to you. I post shit as I fucking see it. How I fucking see it. I add my opinion. This is all there is to it. If you don't like me, fine. If you think there is something more about me that doesn't meet the eye, since I don't seem to be genuine -- hence your NYT jab, you are free to do that. But when I get off work, the first thing I look forward to, is seeing what all y'all have had to say and posted throughout the day. I don't wanna get scared off from here, because I enjoy the dialogue, but some of you guys can be mean for merely posting a neutral opinion in and of a forum of seemingly like-minds. I'm not "tired" of it per se, but I am tired of how some jump all over others here, for only expressing themselves how they naturally express themselves.

And this is exactly what I meant in the post that is in question. If you read it again, you will notice that there was no harm or no foul in what I wrote.

Things like the above that I have just written can get you called "sanctimonious" around here too.

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And as much fun as it's been dancing for the entertainment of the several trolls and sock puppets who didn't start this fire but are now keeping it burning, I now feel that I've personally reached my capacity for such frivols.

So carry on, you guys. It's been swell.

[82_28]

WTF?!?!?!?!

What seriously is the problem? I see utterly no problem here. There is nothing going on. This is an Internet message board for Christ's sake! Remember the old days of newsgroups? This is literally nothing compared to that. Nothing even happened except some words being typed that some wanted to use and others were offended by.

Jesus effin' Christ. . .

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Hey now. What did I do? I just told you guys what I thought. I am nothing but nice to all the people on this board. You don't have to be fucking lame. Name one time anywhere in all my history on this board I have been lame. I take no sides and the only time I have had to was over PM with another member only to make it known how I felt personally and then got out of the situation altogether. I merely fucking said "I am no better" than anyone, but that I didn't think it was necessary to tell the Ns that they should take their language elsewhere. I made it clear that I am no better, that I understand their language, would I call someone a "slut" in anger, fuck no, but I do understand, their use of the term. Is it derogatory? Yes. Do I condone it? No. Do I have my own flaws in everyday language use? Yes. There is absolutely nothing in that post that even resembles me "waffling" on jack shit. I only expressed my opinion, stood up for some as I saw it and didn't say anything insulting or condescending to any member. I never have and I never will.

You seem to be being lame, as I said. I have nothing but respect for all bona-fide members of this board. Warts and all. I will continue to use the term "seems" for as long as I live. There are opinions and there are facts. When I speak from the perspective of my opinion I often use the term "seems". Fuck the NYTimes too. I don't need to be belittled. I would not do it to you. I post shit as I fucking see it. How I fucking see it. I add my opinion. This is all there is to it. If you don't like me, fine. If you think there is something more about me that doesn't meet the eye, since I don't seem to be genuine -- hence your NYT jab, you are free to do that. But when I get off work, the first thing I look forward to, is seeing what all y'all have had to say and posted throughout the day. I don't wanna get scared off from here, because I enjoy the dialogue, but some of you guys can be mean for merely posting a neutral opinion in and of a forum of seemingly like-minds. I'm not "tired" of it per se, but I am tired of how some jump all over others here, for only expressing themselves how they naturally express themselves.

And this is exactly what I meant in the post that is in question. If you read it again, you will notice that there was no harm or no foul in what I wrote.

Things like the above that I have just written can get you called "sanctimonious" around here too.

Forgive me, 82_28. I saw that you had posted but didn't bother reading it to see if it merited a reply before I stated my intention of leaving the thread never to return, then acted on it.

And that wasn't good of me. Because it does merit a reply, actually. And while I'm very sorry to say that I doubt it will mean anything comprehensible to more than a handful of people and couldn't be any surer than I am that none of them would admit to it, conveniently enough for me, this is the reply that it merits:



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And I really do have to be running along now. Because for one thing, the light reflecting off your halo is hurting my eyes. And for another, this stuff gets pretty dull after the three-millionth or so time.

So: Bye now! Have fun! Don't do anything I wouldn't do! Drive carefully! See ya!

Peace out.

Sanctimoniously yours or just in the right, YOU make the call,

c2w

[Laodicean]

She may take away the blowjobs
But she'll never take my jacuzzi!

[barracuda]

Fuck that shit.

This is bullshit.

Have a fucking sense of humor people.

FUCK YOU

Get over yourself, you pathetic politically correct twits.

I gotta say, I've had enough of your "point of view" for the time being.

[crikkett]

Since when did this place become a bastion of the PC police? Jesus Fucking Christ.

We're joking about a very public train wreck, of a very wretched human being. And we can't make fun of half of it because, why, she's FEMALE?
etcetera

FUCK YOU

Know what's funny? That you're the one who loses his shit on a thread about someone being ruined for losing his shit, and how you're indignant that I object to men calling random women SLUTS at will, and how I am indignant that men would support each others' what, right? to do so.



By the way, I'm sorry that you lost your inheritance. This topic must be pushing some serious buttons for you.

But you have your buttons and I have mine. Understand that calling a woman a SLUT is a serious blow to her self-esteem. The concept itself is distilled misogyny. Poison. Not a joke. Being called a SLUT not something that you recover from without losing respect for the person who said it to you.* So however you conduct yourself here, at least watch your fucking mouth around your daughter, don't let her hear it from her fucking Dad.

Sincerely,
Me.
*that was an understatement.

[82_28]

Well, FWIW, the world famous Crazy Mel Gibson episode:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154469

[norton ash]

Oh, for the love of god.

Look, I am SORRY that I used the term 'slut.' I haven't even looked into the particulars of this case, but all I know to begin with is that Oksana ran to the PRESS with the recordings of the phone calls, and I will assume that she was well-paid for turning over the tapes.

So if Frank Rich wants to cheer the demise of the Christian Right by aligning it with the demise of Mel Gibson... and if I thoughtlessly snark that it was a "russian slut" that brought Mel down, because it's kinda neat that avenging angels might take earthly/earthy/funky forms... and I then confess to a completely childish, retardo take on ALL of it where I've envisioned it like a Punch n Judy, Tom n Jerry, Itchy n Scratchy show, because that's what it fucking IS once it's in the realm of show-biz news... and based on my impression that they're both rich, childish ASSHOLES by all signs...

Fuck it. Enough. I'm not typing anymore to talk about a stupid, insensitive joke that I made in a forum where we usually hang pretty loose.

I'm sorry. What I wrote seems to have hurt some feelings, and domestic violence is not funny. I take back every word.

Meanwhile, I'm sure there's someone living on your block who might need your time and attention and help. And while you're at it, call your Mom or do something nice that you've been putting off.

Peace, you fucking monsters.