undead wrote:hava1 wrote:unethical experimentation on same had been conducted by US research centers here in Israel on helpless unwitting patients of psychiatric institutes (one exposed by press, about 10 years ago, in Beer Sheva psychiatric hospital, a notorious guinea pig zone for the military). Apparently, the initial ecstasy trade by israel had been connected somehow to those experiments, but later took a life of its own
and became a drug trafficking business associated with Israeli mafia.
Ecstasy harms the teeth, and I dont suppose anyone will assume the bills for that...
American research on PTSD, in Israel, is a huge market, and there seem to be no monitoring of the exportation of violations of human rights. My lame attempts, about 7 years ago to contact the monitoring group of ralph nader's org in DC, that exposed the nigerians trovan scandal, failed. Most of the lawyers that do that (very few...) are Jewish and the last thing they want is to deal with violations of human rights of Israelis, by the USA. the PTSD business interest in Israel (by the USA) can be investigated by that group who is going to investigate human experimentation by US military (the one PW is connected with). a lot of stuff...
What utter bullshit. Transparently fascist anti-semitic bullshit, to boot. Right, MDMA research is an Israeli conspiracy.
Apparently, the initial ecstasy trade by israel had been connected somehow to those experiments, but later took a life of its own
and became a drug trafficking business associated with Israeli mafia.
Evidence? There is none. You are a liar.
Ecstasy harms the teeth
While MDMA may tax the body, this can be mitigated with dietary supplements (vitamin C and others) and is not a problem since you don't take MDMA day after day. The current "treatments" for PTSD are toxic psychiatrics that cause diabetes, tardive dyskinesia, and a myriad of other very real health problems.
I have met and spoke with the founder of MAPS personally. The results of the MDMA trials thus far have been 100% successful with the only adverse events being experienced in the group receiving a placebo. The relevant variable is the degree to which the patients are healed. The only reason this research is being allowed to go through is the overwhelming benefit to people with an otherwise untreatable condition.
As far as I know, therapeutic MDMA usage doesn't pose a serious risk of dental harm. But I have to admit that I don't actually know. I've just never read of it if it does.
However: The definitive review of the literature on potential consequences of MDMA use was done by MAPS in 2001, and has been updated periodically by them since then. And the most recent update I see on the finding I'd imagine most users would regard as worth knowing about is fundamentally unchanged since they did the first one. To wit:
Animal research studies consistently show that doing a lot of MDMA regularly is neurotoxic while ongoing, as well as the cause of a long-term and apparently irreversible loss of neurological and cognitive function in all the areas you'd expect to see with a serotonergically neurotoxic drug. Which is what MDMA is when it's a neurotoxin.
And fwiw, that's supported by retrospective studies on former human users. Although for the obvious reasons there's no way of really establishing cause-and-effect in a retrospective study.
Just to be 100 percent clear here: (a) That's so incredibly unlikely to have any implications for the use of MDMA in a therapeutic setting to treat PTSD that for all practically purposes, it doesn't have any; and (b) Although the MAPS review of the literature was definitive, the literature itself isn't. So those findings could well be way off-base in either direction. There are a passel of contradictory studies kinda-sorta indicating that it is for both, in fact.
Anyway. As I understand it, it's not conclusively known. But apparently, the status quo is still that it's a concern that can't be ruled out, since the most recent MAPS update on the issue that I could find (on studies through 2008) still stated:
So. That's not, like, dire at all. But it's also not nothing. Individual brain chemistry varies. It's been a consistent finding in research studies. And it's been consistently found to be addressable only by co-administering SSRI antidepressants (which are many things, but neurotoxic isn't one, afaik) with the MDMA.
Which is totally logical since MDMA realeases a big burst of serotonin and SSRI's selectively inhibit its re-uptake. As their name suggests. But which also kind of totally defeats any conceivable purpose anybody could have for taking either. Needless to say.
The full PDF from which I swiped the conclusions above is
here. But there's a much more thorough and readable review of potential MDMA neurotoxicity from 2001 by MAPS researcher Matthew Baggot
here, if anyone cares. Although as the doc at the first link says, all of it may be useless anyway, due to a quirk in interspecies dose scaling.
Medicine is not as exact of a science as one might wish, imho.
