Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

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Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Montag » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:11 pm

Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements
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Efforts to tame America's ballooning budget deficit could soon confront a daunting reality: Nearly half of all Americans live in a household in which someone receives government benefits, more than at any time in history.

At the same time, the fraction of American households not paying federal income taxes has also grown—to an estimated 45% in 2010, from 39% five years ago, according to the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan research organization.

A little more than half don't earn enough to be taxed; the rest take so many credits and deductions they don't owe anything. Most still get hit with Medicare and Social Security payroll taxes, but 13% of all U.S. households pay neither federal income nor payroll taxes.

"We have a very large share of the American population that is getting checks from the government," says Keith Hennessey, an economic adviser to President George W. Bush and now a fellow at the conservative Hoover Institution, "and an increasingly smaller portion of the population that's paying for it."

The dimensions of the budget hole were underscored Monday, when the Treasury reported that the government ran a $1.26 trillion deficit for the first 11 months of the fiscal year, on pace to be the second-biggest on record.

Yet even as Americans express concern over the deficit in opinion polls, many oppose benefit cuts, particularly with the economy on an uneven footing. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll conducted late last month found 61% of voters were "enthusiastic" or "comfortable" with congressional candidates who support cutting federal spending in general. But 56% expressed the same enthusiasm for candidates who voted to extend unemployment benefits.

As recently as the early 1980s, about 30% of Americans lived in households in which an individual was receiving Social Security, subsidized housing, jobless benefits or other government-provided benefits. By the third quarter of 2008, 44% were, according to the most recent Census Bureau data.

That number has undoubtedly gone up, as the recession has hammered incomes. Some 41.3 million people were on food stamps as of June 2010, for instance, up 45% from June 2008. With unemployment high and federal jobless benefits now available for up to 99 weeks, 9.7 million unemployed workers were receiving checks in late August 2010, more than twice as many as the 4.2 million in August 2008.

Still more Americans—19 million by 2019, according to the Congressional Budget Office—will get federal aid to buy health insurance when legislation passed this year is implemented.

The expanding federal safety net has helped shelter many families from the worst of the downturn. Charlene A. Mueller-Holden doesn't fit the stereotype of a person on benefits. Laid off from J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. in January 2008, Ms. Mueller-Holden, 38, drew unemployment for 99 weeks.

The Newark, Del., resident knocked $40 a month off her mortgage payments through the federal Making Home Affordable Program, designed to keep people in their homes by helping them modify or refinance their mortgages. But when her unemployment benefits ran out, Ms. Mueller-Holden and her husband, a government employee, couldn't afford the $1,008 monthly payments.

She turned to the Delaware State Housing Authority which, under a federally subsidized program aimed at helping families with children stay in their homes, gave her $1,000 a month for five months toward mortgage payments. She and her two sons ate lunch for free at the local school this summer, and she has applied for free lunch for one of her sons who will be a first grader this year.

Ms. Mueller-Holden's family earned too little to pay federal taxes last year, and received an extension on their state taxes. "Quite frankly, I don't care about the deficit," says Ms. Mueller-Holden. "It's going to take years upon years upon years to pay this all back," she says, so it's better to focus on job growth now and deal with the deficit later.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby barracuda » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:22 pm

Sara Murray of the Wall Street Journal wrote:The dimensions of the budget hole were underscored Monday, when the Treasury reported that the government ran a $1.26 trillion deficit for the first 11 months of the fiscal year, on pace to be the second-biggest on record.


Hilarious and maddening. You'll notice that nowhere in this article does Ms. Murray attempt to accurately portray the actual percentages of the deficit which accrue directly to welfare-type payouts to individuals. For example, the 44 million persons receiving foods stamps at a total cost of 50 billion dollars make up less than 4% of the total federal budget deficit, while the $663.8 billion allocated to the military accounts for over half of the total. Strangely, the amount of the federal deficit directly attributable to the bailouts of the financial institutions is fairly difficult to calculate, but the bailout money given to a single entity, AIG, accounts for four times the annual cost of food stamps in this country, if not more.

Also consider that the federal budget for 2010 totals $3.55 trillion, which reduces the food stamp "entitlement" percentage to just over one percentile.

Anyway, fuck off and die, the Wall Street Journal.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Nordic » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:35 pm

Elephant in the room: military spending and the Corporate Welfare associated with that. Talk about yer "entitlements".

Just had to turn off CNBC because some blowhard was harping about the same bullshit. (I check it out while drinking my morning coffee which I am admittedly doing very late today)
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby 82_28 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:46 pm

Yup. That's why the tea party is going to save the country come November. No more pork barrel spending, no more free lunches and more racism to come to our rescue. Do not any of these fools see how badly we've been taken by these very idiots they champion? A nation of free people who are free to say, do it your fucking self if you're going to do it at all. Rahrahrah! Hooah! Praise the Lord! Are you ready for some football? I personally would like our money and economy back before nobody could see the elephant in the room of oh, I don't know, fucking in your face war? They done cleaned us out, but it is average Joes paying for the the exact thing he supports which is bankrupting him. All because it is wrapped into a racist and American exceptionalist myth double bind. Once they fall off that cliff of accepting the new Hegelian dialectic being imposed now, there will be no way to go back to the common sense grievances that dated pre-9/11. We are all doomed to argue on the playing field created whole cloth from this myth. This will complete the hollowing out of the USA and I expect WWIII abroad and here and "here" will resemble a certain Margaret Atwood book. Bank on it.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby 82_28 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:48 pm

Hey Nordic! I said "elephant in the room" before you! I just didn't post as quick.

Anyways, what you said too, which is what I also said. Hooah!
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Nordic » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:49 pm

If anything, the "mainstream" media keeps getting worse. I probably thought that wasn't possible, but I was wrong.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby norton ash » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:50 pm

No country is immune to this stupid argument. Neo-Conservatives in Canada like to spread the meme that it's welfare recipients and refugees that account for the deficit, as opposed to corporate welfare and the socialization of risk and consequent bail-outs.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Nordic » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:52 pm

norton ash wrote:No country is immune to this stupid argument. Neo-Conservatives in Canada like to spread the meme that it's welfare recipients and refugees that account for the deficit, as opposed to corporate welfare and the socialization of risk and consequent bail-outs.



Yeah, but other countries don't spend half of the WORLD'S military spending and then complain about poor people taking all the money.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Montag » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:53 pm

barracuda wrote:
Sara Murray of the Wall Street Journal wrote:The dimensions of the budget hole were underscored Monday, when the Treasury reported that the government ran a $1.26 trillion deficit for the first 11 months of the fiscal year, on pace to be the second-biggest on record.


Hilarious and maddening. You'll notice that nowhere in this article does Ms. Murray attempt to accurately portray the actual percentages of the deficit which accrue directly to welfare-type payouts to individuals. For example, the 44 million persons receiving foods stamps at a total cost of 50 billion dollars make up less than 4% of the total federal budget deficit, while the $663.8 billion allocated to the military accounts for over half of the total. Strangely, the amount of the federal deficit directly attributable to the bailouts of the financial institutions is fairly difficult to calculate, but the bailout money given to a single entity, AIG, accounts for four times the annual cost of food stamps in this country, if not more.

Also consider that the federal budget for 2010 totals $3.55 trillion, which reduces the food stamp "entitlement" percentage to just over one percentile.

Anyway, fuck off and die, the Wall Street Journal.


I guess we had pretty different reactions... I thought the article points out how out to lunch the right is. Most analysis I've seen of what to cut -- if they want to achieve their goal of drowning government in the bathtub -- shows that the right probably won't be able to significantly reduce gov. no matter how bad they want to.

Here's a piece by Buchanan were he doubts the Tea Party will achieve much: http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2010/08/30 ... y-deliver/

Of course, they found the deficit when O'BlahBlahBlah was elected (they didn't know of it before then), but it makes sense the deficit would expand (even though Americans get nothing like the social benefits that Europeans do) in a depression/recession. You have less people working (so they aren't paying taxes), you have people whose incomes are depressed during an economic downturn... A major economic downturn is just not the time at all to address the deficit. In other words, the right is just totally irrational -- as usual.

p.s. I've heard the WSJ has gotten worse since Murdoch bought it... But traditionally the editorial page is right-wing, and the reporting actually hasn't been all that bad, at least as good as other MSM publications (even some conservatives putting it with the rest of the "liberal" media, which is also a fiction, but anyway the point is the editorial page and the articles aren't the same).
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:56 pm

A Methodist church I pass by regularly had some snappy quip on it's sign last week something to the tune about your hands and brain being God's gift and how you'd better use them to make money or God won't like you anymore. I spent the better part of the week muttering 'Consider the mutherf'n lilies, they neither sow nor spin Mutherf'rs' at that damn thing.

As if I needed any proof that most modern churches aren't really 'Christian'.

Nor are the mad tea partiers. But we knew that.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Nordic » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:58 pm

The Tea Party isn't supposed to actually DO anything, it's been created by the PTB to divert the conversation from the reality-based "hey, why is Obama a corporate stooge and why is Wall Street still unregulated and why are we being forced to buy health care insurance under the "reform" bullshit and why are we still in Afghanistan and why are we being lied to about Iraq and what about all that oil on the bottom of the GOM" ....

TO ......

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The Tea Party isn't supposed to actually DO anything, any more than the marketing and "election" of Obama was supposed to actually DO anything.

Business as usual, that's what counts, and that's why they do ALL of this shit. So business as usual can continue.

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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Simulist » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:03 pm

Nordic wrote:The Tea Party isn't supposed to actually DO anything, it's been created by the PTB to divert the conversation from the reality-based "hey, why is Obama a corporate stooge and why is Wall Street still unregulated and why are we being forced to buy health care insurance under the "reform" bullshit and why are we still in Afghanistan and why are we being lied to about Iraq and what about all that oil on the bottom of the GOM" ....

TO ......

"I'm cute and I think your government is too big and masturbation is bad!!"

The Tea Party isn't supposed to actually DO anything, any more than the marketing and "election" of Obama was supposed to actually DO anything.

Business as usual, that's what counts, and that's why they do ALL of this shit. So business as usual can continue.

Homeostasis of the BEAST.

Yeah. That about sums it up.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby barracuda » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:04 pm

82_28 wrote:Yup. That's why the tea party is going to save the country come November.


Ooo, I thought Christine O'Donnell basically took care of that little problem til 2012 at least.

Christine O'Donnell wrote:Well, creationism, in essence, is believing that the world began as the Bible in Genesis says, that God created the Earth in six days, six 24-hour periods. And there is just as much, if not more, evidence supporting that.


Good luck with that in the general election.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby Montag » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:04 pm

Nordic wrote:The Tea Party isn't supposed to actually DO anything, it's been created by the PTB to divert the conversation from the reality-based "hey, why is Obama a corporate stooge and why is Wall Street still unregulated and why are we being forced to buy health care insurance under the "reform" bullshit and why are we still in Afghanistan and why are we being lied to about Iraq and what about all that oil on the bottom of the GOM" ....


Well it has certainly been co-opted... I've seen Buchanan and Ron Paul be critical of the Tea Party recently. But I think they are really responding to that it has been brought back into the Rethug party fold. If it replaced the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party, or something, then they'd be happy. Plus they both know that the empire must be dramatically downsized or eliminated entirely to achieve their dystopian visions of bare bones government.
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Re: Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

Postby The Consul » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:19 pm

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