How would you "fix" the economy?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Tips only serve to reinforce the economic order which dictates the inadequacy of wages in the service industry. That's why civilised countries abstain from it.

Good point btw.

Tho you probably need to get out more.

[norton ash]

82-28, I only use Haji Murad beauty products. They give me a radiance that just won't quit. Or capitulate in any form.

[82_28]

I hope you're careful with it. Many, for example, lipsticks contain phthalates and other dangerous chemicals easily absorbed by the mucus membranes of the mouth. I don't use shaving cream or lotions at all. Even soap and shampoo I often just get the cheapo own brand shower gel at the co-op.

I shower or bathe 3-4 times a week and probably shampoo twice, though I do wash my hands and such upwards of 50 times a day. Did I mention my girlfriend is considered an "expert" in beauty, skin care, hair care etc? I'm tellin' ya, I gotz the trade secrets all right here. Also, I have a verging on uncivilized (thanks Ben for the rightful "z" rather than an "s") beard, so I too have no need for shaving cream either. I cut my hair once a year and that consists of a buzz cut and I grow it until it gets to the point of "I should probably cut it now". Done it that way for years. Haven't squandered a dime on a haircut since I can't remember.

I've given up on proselytising. As far as I'm concerned your body can be poisoned, your mind misled, your soul damned to hell and your computer infected with many varieties of virus.

As have I. It was fun for awhile and I really did "fix" all kinds of people's computers by the simple addition of Linux. The adaptation to the various GUI's is what got most of my specimens confused and flustered. Paying someone to fix your computer (at least within the realm of software) is still a completely foreign concept to me -- though I do not deal in databases such as drew, who kindly fixed up this dump.

Wouldn't a plainer girl be the type most likely to wear more make-up?

I dunno, you tell me. I just call it as I see it and as I don't see some British dude with bad teeth roaming around outside my window, you probably don't know who she is and what I mean by plain. But she is plain. Has a lot of tattoos, but is plain, as I said.

I don't go to the pub, being a teetotaler.

I'm sorry.

I feel sorry for people who don't drink. They wake up in the morning and that's the best they're going to feel all day. -- Dean Martin

Tips only serve to reinforce the economic order which dictates the inadequacy of wages in the service industry. That's why civilised countries abstain from it.

I didn't ask to be born or live here. It's just the way it is. Common courtesy could go a long way when visiting other places though -- it's expected of me when I might travel. That said, I shall be coming back to London soon to request all of my weak assed dollar to pound conversion tips I left last time. Those were like 35 to 40% tips they got outta me. In the USA you tip 20% for a job well done for something akin to more a convenience than a necessity. Rural Americans, the one's you might think the most uncivilized tip just as bad as you guys do. So do many sports stars. I've heard from friends from Chicago that Scottie Pippen was known as "No Tippin' Pippen" and my friend from Mississippi said Brett Favre routinely gets every thing he ever gets in Hattiesburg comped and never leaves the server a dime. Tell your classy British owned company to do the civilized thing and pay up to the unwashed savages of Mississippi btw.

[Peregrine]

I just call it as I see it and as I don't see some British dude with bad teeth roaming around outside my window

Wow. another stereotype thrown out there...
And posting pics that stretch the page out...

[82_28]

I just call it as I see it and as I don't see some British dude with bad teeth roaming around outside my window

Wow. another stereotype thrown out there...
And posting pics that stretch the page out...

Hey it was a joke I thought all would get! He called my line of work uncivilized or a feature of an uncivilized society and I made an obvious swipe at him in good humor. And also for that pic, it resolves down for me. I thought this new board software had the ability to do that. Perhaps it's browser side. Firefox scales it fine for me.

And where (on edit) do you see my other stereotyping? I've explained up and down what I meant by my first comment. It's all in there if you read it carefully. Or not carefully. I AM NOT STEREOTYPING! I referred to the "trade secrets" as to how we as a society are marketed to and as per the mid thread link to the Slate piece I saw fit to make a comment. I simply made an observation and pontificated some. I can't even say in the "Is Porn Bad for You" thread without getting beaten down, that I hate porn for it's depiction of women and I also can't make a statement of speculation concerning an over-arching hypothesis as to why this may be.

[Peregrine]

And also for that pic, it resolves down for me. I thought this new board software had the ability to do that.

Not for me. I always know you've posted a pic when I see a stretched out page. It's huge. I wanna bang my head on the keyboard everytime. Anyone else have stretched pages besides me? Or is my laptop too small? Ugh...

[82_28]

And also for that pic, it resolves down for me. I thought this new board software had the ability to do that.

Not for me. I always know you've posted a pic when I see a stretched out page. It's huge. I wanna bang my head on the keyboard everytime. Anyone else have stretched pages besides me? Or is my laptop too small? Ugh...

I'm sorry. I'll scale from now on. On the old board it was a problem and I hated it too. What browser are you using?

[Nordic]

Wouldn't a plainer girl be the type most likely to wear more make-up?

Wow, this seems proof to me that you don't get out at all!

Step away from the computer .......

[Joe Hillshoist]

The pics always scale down for me. It might take a split second to do it while its loading, but it does.

[82_28]

Oh and Joe, you ain't outta the woods here either. I had a couple of Aussies today, nice people. $2 on a $24 tab. That ain't even 10%!

[justdrew]

I'm starting to lean toward seizing assets and sending everyone a check from the liquidation proceeds.

radical yes, but effective. Would certainly shake things up, a real mavericky hail marry kinda move.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Oh and Joe, you ain't outta the woods here either. I had a couple of Aussies today, nice people. $2 on a $24 tab. That ain't even 10%!

Where I come from bar staff used (when I was in the industry) to get paid at a base rate of over 15 bucks an hour plus penalties. Time and a half after hours, double time on Sundays, triple time on public holidays ...

Those were the days. The basic rate is still good these days, but most of the penalties have gone.

Tipping is something we just never bothered with cos we didn't have to. Well, its more a bonus thing, leave your change, if someone deserves a tip give them one, not an entitlement. Usually a bar has one tip jar and the bar staff split it, either on a night out or an end of year party or something. Well thats how its worked every pub or club I ever worked in.

Its appalling the way hospitality staff are treated in the US. Pay them properly, tip them if they deserve it.

That said, what tight arses.

Giving us a bad name they are.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I'm starting to lean toward seizing assets and sending everyone a check from the liquidation proceeds.

radical yes, but effective. Would certainly shake things up, a real mavericky hail marry kinda move.

Yeah. It would shake things up. Good idea i reckon.

[Stephen Morgan]

The decline in industrial militancy is due to govt attacks on unions over the last 30 years

Well that hasn't helped but it's hardly new. Unions in this country at least have always likes a bit of a fight.

Of course that was mostly the miners, now extinct.

and enough good wages and conditions to make them seem less important.

You've got that arse about face. 30 years of low wages and high unemployment, especially in the traditionally well-organised industries, along with the extinction of some industries.

But mostly 30 years of anti strike legislation in various forms.

Hasn't helped. Started in this country by Labour, funnily enough. The now infamous In Place of Strife, of course.

It was destroyed in England by Thatcher's regime, and in Australia by successive state govt attacks on building unions and by the federal Hawke and Howard govts attacks on everybody.

You had building unions? Unions of builders? Builders never really got round to that here, Ricky Tomlinson not withstanding.

Anyway, all contributing factors but not as important as the market factors.

[Stephen Morgan]

I shower or bathe 3-4 times a week and probably shampoo twice, though I do wash my hands and such upwards of 50 times a day. Did I mention my girlfriend is considered an "expert" in beauty, skin care, hair care etc? I'm tellin' ya, I gotz the trade secrets all right here.

Like being able to speak Klingon. Impressive but quite sad at the same time.

Also, I have a verging on uncivilized (thanks Ben for the rightful "z" rather than an "s") beard, so I too have no need for shaving cream either.

Never shaved in my life. Am hairy about the facey-neckal regions.

I cut my hair once a year and that consists of a buzz cut and I grow it until it gets to the point of "I should probably cut it now". Done it that way for years. Haven't squandered a dime on a haircut since I can't remember.

I used to do that. Then I realised it kept growing back, so I don't bother cutting it now. Is very long indeed. Hair all over the place, me.

As have I. It was fun for awhile and I really did "fix" all kinds of people's computers by the simple addition of Linux. The adaptation to the various GUI's is what got most of my specimens confused and flustered. Paying someone to fix your computer (at least within the realm of software) is still a completely foreign concept to me -- though I do not deal in databases such as drew, who kindly fixed up this dump.

I used to use slackware about a decade ago. Didn't have a GUI, as I couldn't get the X-Windows system stable, so I didn't bother. Gone soft now, got Gnome and buntu.

I dunno, you tell me. I just call it as I see it and as I don't see some British dude with bad teeth roaming around outside my window, you probably don't know who she is and what I mean by plain. But she is plain. Has a lot of tattoos, but is plain, as I said.

I just thought girls who thought less of their appearance may be more inclined to embellish it with the war paint and the sparkley.

Now, how did you know about my teeth?

I didn't ask to be born or live here. It's just the way it is.

Damn fatalists.

Common courtesy could go a long way when visiting other places though -- it's expected of me when I might travel.

Just stay where you are then.

That said, I shall be coming back to London soon to request all of my weak assed dollar to pound conversion tips I left last time. Those were like 35 to 40% tips they got outta me. In the USA you tip 20% for a job well done for something akin to more a convenience than a necessity. Rural Americans, the one's you might think the most uncivilized tip just as bad as you guys do. So do many sports stars. I've heard from friends from Chicago that Scottie Pippen was known as "No Tippin' Pippen" and my friend from Mississippi said Brett Favre routinely gets every thing he ever gets in Hattiesburg comped and never leaves the server a dime. Tell your classy British owned company to do the civilized thing and pay up to the unwashed savages of Mississippi btw.

You mean BP-Amoco? I don't own the fuckers. Thatcher's lot even sold the government's stake in them.

And it's bad enough having to pay for things, let alone also having to pay additional non-compulsory costs.