Fuck Obama

[Montag]

:yay

I love that faux corporate/corporatist smile the Obama half human/half cyborg gave this woman... You wonder why the guy can't get in touch with the "common man".

[Cosmic Cowbell]

[Simulist]

• Sure there is hatred for Obama, and much of it is without any basis in reality.

• There is also bitter contempt for Obama, and much of it is very well-deserved.

Personally, I feel toward Obama many of the same things I felt toward his predecessor, George W. Bush. After all, he is so much like his predecessor in so many ways — only worse.

[ninakat]

Well said Simulist.

[Nordic]

Well that's the new message being spread, isn't it? If you're angry, you're one of those fringe extremists, and your feelings are probably based in non-reasonable, non-factual stuff like conspiracy theories. After all, Obama being a socialist muslim kenyan is THE SAME as the 9/11 official story being a lie.

If you don't believe what we tell you, you're crazy.

http://nestmann.sovereignsociety.com/20 ... tally-ill/

Are Independent Thinkers Mentally Ill?


(maybe worthy of its own thread)

[Montag]

Well that's the new message being spread, isn't it? If you're angry, you're one of those fringe extremists, and your feelings are probably based in non-reasonable, non-factual stuff like conspiracy theories. After all, Obama being a socialist muslim kenyan is THE SAME as the 9/11 official story being a lie.

If you don't believe what we tell you, you're crazy.

http://nestmann.sovereignsociety.com/20 ... tally-ill/

Are Independent Thinkers Mentally Ill?


(maybe worthy of its own thread)

It's just the PTB/MSM trying to create a hive mind IMO. It's sad when people like Chomsky, and other progressive intellectuals use the same spurious arguments against CTers that so many others do. I definitely think part of the mind control psy-op (that Chomsky has ostensibly exposed) is the campaign of ridicule against conspiracy theory.

[Simulist]

Thanks, NInakat.

And yes, Nordic, that is definitely the most recent form of sophistry being peddled. Applying such "logic" to the animal kingdom, one could conclude that the lone lemming who considers stepping away from his friends, all in parade formation — even as, one by one, they each plunge over the cliff — should be considered the "mentally ill" lemming, in dire need of "treatment."

[Cosmic Cowbell]

The Fox and the Grapes
By Marianne Moore

A fox of Gaseon, though some say of Norman descent,
When starved till faint gazed up at a trellis to which grapes were tied
Matured till they glowed with a purplish tint
As though there were gems inside.
Now grapes were what our adventurer on strained haunches chanced to crave.
But because he could not reach the vine
He said, These grapes are sour; I'll leave them for some knave.
Better, I think, than an embittered whine.

[Montag]

.And yes, Nordic, that is definitely the most recent form of sophistry being peddled. Applying such "logic" to the animal kingdom, one could conclude that the lone lemming who considers stepping away from his friends, all in parade formation — even as, one by one, they each plunge over the cliff — should be considered the "mentally ill" lemming, in dire need of "treatment."

Interesting thought Simulist... You know who else would be considered in need of treatment? A capitalist lemming, if one lemming took most of the resources and hoarded them all for himself, he'd be fit to be tied for sure.

[Simulist]

The Fox and the Grapes
By Marianne Moore

A fox of Gaseon, though some say of Norman descent,
When starved till faint gazed up at a trellis to which grapes were tied
Matured till they glowed with a purplish tint
As though there were gems inside.
Now grapes were what our adventurer on strained haunches chanced to crave.
But because he could not reach the vine
He said, These grapes are sour; I'll leave them for some knave.
Better, I think, than an embittered whine.

Since you know that you cannot successfully defend Mr. Obama — there is no convincing defense for him — posting pictures and poems does seem a prudent choice.

[Jeff]

Tariq Ali on "The Obama Syndrome: Surrender at Home, War Abroad"

I know some of his supporters might feel it’s a little harsh, but I think that we’ve had two years of him now, Amy, and the contours of this administration are now visible. And essentially, it is a conservative administration which has changed the mood music. So the talk is better. The images of the administration are better, the reasonable looks. But in terms of what they do—in foreign policy, we’ve seen a continuation of the Bush-Cheney policies, and worse, in AfPak, as they call it, and at home, we’ve seen a total capitulation to the lobbyists, to the corporations. The fact that the healthcare bill was actually drafted by someone who used to be an insurance lobbyist says it all.

So, it’s essentially now a PR operation to get him reelected. But I don’t think people are that dumb. I’ve been speaking to some of his, you know, partisan supporters, and they’re disappointed. So the big problem for Obama is that if you do nothing and promise that you would bring about some changes, you will not have people coming out to vote for you again. And building up the tea party into this great bogey isn’t going to work. It’s your own supporters you have to convince to come out and vote for you, as they did before. I can’t see that happening.

...

...it’s interesting that they are incapable of dealing with the right. With the right, it’s conciliation. That’s what they feel they have to appeal to. With critics from the left, they tend to be very harsh, as if they are saying to us, "You don’t know how lucky you are." But why are we lucky? I mean, you know, we judge people not by how they look or what they say, but by what they do. And what Obama has been doing is, you know, to put it mildly, extremely disappointing at home, and abroad it’s murderous. On Palestine, on Iran, no changes at all. So, one has to spell this out, because if they don’t realize that they’re doing this, they’re going to get more shocks. And Rahm Emanuel refers to people on the liberal left who are critical of Obama, and he uses a bad swear word and then says, "effing retards"—well, we’ll see who the retards are after the midterms, Amy. That’s all I can say.

...

Bush had promised exactly the same withdrawal pattern from Iraq: by this time, we will be out. Obama has followed it. They’re not going out. What is essentially happening, they’re reducing the presence of combat troops and eliminating it in the big cities, and building six huge military bases all over Iraq, in which they’ll keep between fifty and sixty thousand soldiers, ready to act when the need be—just like the British did when they occupied Iraq in the '20s and ’30s of the last century. And the British were then driven out by a violent upheaval and revolution in the ’50s. So the US is keeping these bases in, (a) to control Iraq, and (b) as a warning to Iran. And I think there's going to be trouble.

...

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/21/t ... a_syndrome

[Cosmic Cowbell]

I suppose I'm simply willing to take a longer view of politics and the strategies inherent in the game.

First, looking back at Clinton, it was their aggressive and excessive attempts to implement Health Care reform early on that helped get them an adversarial Republican congress at midterms.

Second, since he's the first African American president following what is arguably the worst case of Executive branch malfeasance in American history, inheriting leadership of the country at it's lowest point in history, we are -ALL- in a hurry to correct the karma of the last few years. We are impatient.

Third, I think it's of utmost importance to Obama that history see his presidency as successful, which will require two terms -AND- at least a firm control of Congress for the first term. If he had taken as sharp a turn as some here wish, the risk of losing what control he has of the Congress would be much greater than it is at this point. The Republicans have -their- splitter in the Tea Party this time around which I think bodes well for Obama in the larger scheme.

And there has been Progressive change. His Supreme court nominees have been sound IMO, adding another female to the court. Changes in health care, Wall Street reform, Drug policy - not great giant leaps as I, and most here would have liked (or "Hoped" for), but something none the less. Enough to keep the base happy, defuse organized Republican strategy (which seems to currently consist of "no" - they offer nothing), and foster cultivation of the far right fringe.

Not much he could have done with foreign policy and still stand a chance of two terms, which is the driver here. I suspect if he had, something might have been arranged to make him seem weak on defense. And again, unelectable for a second term. Wise politics not to allow an opening for that.

I'm also aware of the fact that just as we are manupulated by the far right (think the brothers Koch), so to are we manipulated on the left, some of which is that of which Obama speaks. The Professionally Negative (doesn't matter which party).

Bottom line, after eight years of despair, I'm liking this guy. Call it Kool Aid, Sheeple Syndrome or WETF you want. All I do is look at the ballot and go, is this guy working for me or not. And since I can keep my kids on my insurance until they're on their own, I can access Medical Marijuana if I need it and I got Elizabeth Warren looking out for me and many other small victories, I'm gonna give the guy a break (for now).

In closing, he's a politician. I understand that. I get it. It's for this reason I never put him on a pedestal in the first place. Sorry some here did. Sorry he's done ya wrong. Sorry you want to "fuck" him. Great thread title BTW. Really fosters discussion...

When it comes to presidential politics, think strategically and long term or you'll get the government you deserve.

:EatsGrape:

[82_28]

In closing, he's a politician. I understand that. I get it. It's for this reason I never put him on a pedestal in the first place. Sorry some here did. Sorry he's done ya wrong. Sorry you want to "fuck" him. Great thread title BTW. Really fosters discussion...

Well this fucker is 38 pages long.

[Nordic]

Second, since he's the first African American president following what is arguably the worst case of Executive branch malfeasance in American history, inheriting leadership of the country at it's lowest point in history, we are -ALL- in a hurry to correct the karma of the last few years. We are impatient.

Pardon me while I vomit.

You've got to be kidding. Why don't you go over to Dailykos and spread that kind of pap? You might actually find some like delusional minds there.

I used to say this about Bush: He could sacrifice a life human baby at the 50 yard line at the Superbowl, eviscerate it on live TV with millions watching, and there would be a lot of people saying "well he's doing it to protect America".

You are no different in your assessment of Obama at this point. Your attitude is every bit as disgusting as theirs was.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

In closing, he's a politician. I understand that. I get it. It's for this reason I never put him on a pedestal in the first place. Sorry some here did. Sorry he's done ya wrong. Sorry you want to "fuck" him. Great thread title BTW. Really fosters discussion...

Well this fucker is 38 pages long.

Unfortunately, that's due to the fact that it's a subjective Data Dump/Echo Chamber. It's certainly not a discussion thread (see Nordic).