1010: No Pressure

[wintler2]

Sounder, I freely acknowledge that i am ignorant, tactless, reactive, and often tediously rhetorical. But that doesn't mean i have to take your shit. Go pick a fight with someone else, or preferably, spend a little time pondering what is driving you to do it.

[Sounder]

No worries wintler2, you are as free as anyone to ignore issues of substance or anything else that may put a challenge to the putative righteousness of your beliefs.

I do apologize if you think I am trying to pick a fight with you. In fact I have worked for and with alpha types for many years and and have developed a friendly way to engage and yet make them less sure about the utility of imposing their dominance sthick on lesser peons. In real life I get away with it because these folk know that I bring something to the table that makes them able to deal with a certain level of discomfort that results from being around someone such as myself.

This method does not work so well with typed words as people often run away before they take the time to consider the possible value in my words. Without eye contact and a friendly smile to help show respect and attentiveness toward another human, words are more often taken as a personal attack. This I regret, as truth be told I have great love for many varieties of humans. It is the spice of life.

[Sepka]

I'm laughing my weasel ass off! This is one of the most stunningly counter-productive things I've seen in years! How on earth could anyone think this would be positively received?

[Sounder]

I don't pick fights wintler2, I end fights.


Add on edit after sleeping on it; wintlers2 initial trash talk and later responses are a fine illustration how some folk are not at all willing to question their assumptions. This was my purpose and any half-awake person could see it if they care to be honest or open. Wintler2 started this ‘fight’ by saying; ‘none of the deniers could scrape together enough nous to explain never mind prove the fudged pro-polluter science they (used to) copynpaste here.’

This is a comical case of projection in that the fudged science comes from those dependent on govt money to promote fear and new taxes. Secondly, anyone that is paying attention will concede that I prefer my own words to copynpaste, and the video linked to in this thread was a simple and logical breakdown of the long term temperature record of ice core samples. This was chosen because both sides of the debate accept this record. Yet one side of this debate seems to find it beneath themselves to actually look at the video.

So what we have here is a big dog with a big bark that runs away yelping when bitten in the leg by the little dog. Once again the big dog lost the ‘fight’ before it even started.


AGW, FBI or CIA are small potatoes if one is looking to ‘save the world’. First off, this world contains people of different dispositions and any ‘infowar’ designed to eviscerate one ‘side’ or the other only turns this world into a holy hell. Get logical people, we need to turn the negative aspect within both ‘sides’ into more positive representations of each ‘side’. It is a nonproductive conceit to think that anyone is going to ‘save the world’ anyway. Instead, the ‘world’ is going to save us as it bites us in the ass and doesn’t let go. Then we may become humbled and finally internalize the difference between form and substance.


Also for those people that put me on their block list, you are the biggest sissies who are most unable and unwilling to deal with your own demons.

Have a good day and I love you all, -no really, and I apologize if I do not make myself clear enough for you to see that.

[wintler2]

I don't pick fights wintler2, I end fights.

Which Clint Eastwood wankfest do you see yourself in when you say that?

Add on edit after sleeping on it; wintlers2 initial trash talk and later responses are a fine illustration how some folk are not at all willing to question their assumptions. This was my purpose and any half-awake person could see it if they care to be honest or open.

Which assumptions do you claim you were questioning? Cos you sure didn't state them: too much time in your own head maybe. "Get out of your head, .. and into this world.." Tiddas.

Wintler2 started this ‘fight’ by saying; ‘none of the deniers could scrape together enough nous to explain never mind prove the fudged pro-polluter science they (used to) copynpaste here.’

Blatent bullshit, you started this particular waste of time by attacking me, before i'd even seen the thread.

This is a comical case of projection in that the fudged science comes from those dependent on govt money to promote fear and new taxes.

Keep running those Heartland Institute lines Sounder, helps everyone see what crappy mental decor you have.

Secondly, anyone that is paying attention will concede that I prefer my own words to copynpaste, and the video linked to in this thread was a simple and logical breakdown of the long term temperature record of ice core samples. This was chosen because both sides of the debate accept this record. Yet one side of this debate seems to find it beneath themselves to actually look at the video.

This isn't a debate you cretin, its you picking a fight and me trying to get rid of you like shit off a shoe.
Incidentally, i'm on dial-up at my pretty rural home, and rarely get to see vid's.

So what we have here is a big dog with a big bark that runs away yelping when bitten in the leg by the little dog. Once again the big dog lost the ‘fight’ before it even started.

Sure, you win, YOU WIN, congratulations, plucky little dog beat the big bad dog, your heroic efforts will inspire generations, etc.

AGW, FBI or CIA are small potatoes if one is looking to ‘save the world’. First off, this world contains people of different dispositions and any ‘infowar’ designed to eviscerate one ‘side’ or the other only turns this world into a holy hell. Get logical people, we need to turn the negative aspect within both ‘sides’ into more positive representations of each ‘side’. It is a nonproductive conceit to think that anyone is going to ‘save the world’ anyway. Instead, the ‘world’ is going to save us as it bites us in the ass and doesn’t let go. Then we may become humbled and finally internalize the difference between form and substance.

Actually, you need a dog, or something to listen to you. Preferably something that doesn't speak english, so wont have to suffer your Tolle-ian dreck.

Also for those people that put me on their block list, you are the biggest sissies who are most unable and unwilling to deal with your own demons.

Have a good day and I love you all, -no really, and I apologize if I do not make myself clear enough for you to see that.

If you love me even a tiny tiny tiny bit, you'll fuck off and leave me alone.

[Sounder]

wintler2 wrote...

Which assumptions do you claim you were questioning?

wintler2, if you want to be rid of me, ‘like shit off your shoes’, then don’t ask me a question. The assumption in question is that AGW is the greatest threat to mankind that currently exists. I see AGW as a distraction from many threats that are much greater than AGW. Things like GMO’s, imperial killing for sport, fluoride, terminator seeds, capabilities for pervasive surveillance etc.

These and many other threats derive from perverse use of science, so excuse me if I suspect that AGW is also a perverse use of science. But you know what? This evil spawn of some folks faith in current science, will pass just as did the requirement that all folk in a given area had to pay money to a church whether they liked it or not. We grow and change and the static belief impositions of our purported masters cannot change this no matter how hard they try. Because reality (nature), surprise surprise, is a much larger force than are the petty pretences of our intellectual constructs, whether driven by religion or by science, -the new religion.

It seems like a social engineering ploy designed to create divisiveness between different sectors of society with the added kicker of creating greater fixed costs for the common man and a huge slush fund for the parasite class, -that is bankers.

But hey, if you think that denying Africans the ability to build coal fired power plants in the name of saving the world, well that’s your business. (Why does white mans disease make him so angry while everyone else does most of the suffering?)

To me, this assumption shows a lack of faith in the creative potential of the human spirit and consciousness. It seems to assume that the understanding of current science is the best that can ever be expected.

On a final note, and to illustrate your dependence on a static view of reality. You seem to believe that there are no possibilities for novel or new modes for propulsion. That would mean that the people that see UFO’s are all perfectly delusional. There were then no ‘triangle craft’ as reported by many folk in the early 90’s (including my brother) whether of govt. or any other origin, because it is simply not possible. By any logic that I know of, this must be the case or the need to curtail carbon emissions through legislation as the only solution to AGW would be a moot point.

Oh yeah, and I will show my love in the manner that I see fit and not according to your dictates. What can I say; I do not bathe my love in syrup.


add on edit:By the by, saying that the video in question is Heartland Institute propaganda does not cut the mustard, except with fellow AGW’ers because it is simply the temp record of ice core samples going back two hundred thousand years, and showing that every 20,000 years or so the temp has risen higher than the temps currently are. And if someone says that correlation is not the same as causation, this also is not Heartland Institute propaganda, it is simple logic. But as many have observed before, fundamentalists have never had a great respect for logic.

[Searcher08]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... d=63166228

[wintler2]

:popcorn:

Sounder, you keep alleging i said/believe X while providing no evidence that i did. I'm bothered by your repeated unsubstantiated smears only because i know repetition works. I could do the rigorous thing and reveal your artful lies, but its too nice a day, and really, its just the internet, and what i need to do is work out what i'm doing such that i've drawn this sticky nuisance to me. I tried owning some of my shit, didn't help. Now i'm going to shut the fuck up, and in humorous silence ponder my own folly. So long Sounder.

[vanlose kid]

Sounder wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

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hey, Sounder, thanks for that link man. - sense.

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[Cosmic Cowbell]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=63166228

Hey Searcher, thanks for that link man. -Umm...

[madeupname452]

The reaction to the 10:10 eco-fascist snuff video from people in general has not been favourable.
I have been reading some of the comments at http://www.1010global.org/uk/2010/10/sorry.
At present there are 70 odd pages of comments so I have not read them all , not many support this video , and many true believers are outraged too.Here's a random sample

Unless you are an actual peer reviewed scientist with years of experience and access to super computers, your "opinions" (either in support of or against) AGW, are exactly that - opinions. You are adopting the opinions of others who you trust, and if you claim otherwise, you are full of crap. Neither you or I are smart enough or educated enough to understand global weather patterns. Having said that, the people who made this video are self-aggrandizing fools unworthy of trust.

Although it's good that you aren't going to try to squash the circulation of this video, it's simply too late, anyhow. It's pretty obvious, as implied by this supposed apology, why you were probably shocked by the negative reaction to it. Because it reveals your true leftist, piggish fantasies and you can't understand how anyone would disagree with you, the same as the those pushing the button in the video. No engagement in reasoned discourse. Just kill the disbelievers.

You'll probably never really know how much you have damaged your cause. Good. Keep it up. Something tells me you have your collective head so far up your collective backside that you'll keep flubbing up, no matter how much people point out what your past flub ups have been. Climategate finally brought to the public eye what most of us already knew. Your religion is a fraud. Keep doing what you are doing, because your doing a great job convincing those on the fence what evil murder-minded creatures you really are.

Your video was utterly satanic. You love the earth. You just hate people.

What's your next project? A nice little film about Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals?

[Joe Hillshoist]

wintler2 wrote...

Which assumptions do you claim you were questioning?

wintler2, if you want to be rid of me, ‘like shit off your shoes’, then don’t ask me a question. The assumption in question is that AGW is the greatest threat to mankind that currently exists.

If you lived where he does then perhaps you'd also see AGW as a real and direct threat, to your actual home and life. Two dry years is all it takes (these days) and if a certain wind change had arrived 5 hours earlier on a particularly fateful day last year then it might have already happened for him.

AGW isn't necessarily the greatest threat to mankind either.

But it is to plenty of things that aren't human.

[mentalgongfu2]

As far as the video goes, I know there are some psychos who cover themselves in the cloak of environmentalism, and there are causeheads who just take things too far; but it's worth considering the possibility that the intent here was exactly what the result has been - to discredit AGW proponents and make them look like insane murderous inhumane wackos.

[Sepka]

it's worth considering the possibility that the intent here was exactly what the result has been - to discredit AGW proponents and make them look like insane murderous inhumane wackos.

Um, actually they are insane murderous inhumane wackos. Look at the people who made this - they're the true believers. This is the AGW party line, right from the idea that opponents don't deserve to live, down to the unquestioned acceptance that school, work and even sports are all appropriate venues for drumming in the Party's agenda.

[brainpanhandler]