"White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby Montag » Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:53 am

One thing I find creepy about the Madsen piece, was Woodward's recent mention of Hillary as VP. Woodward is somebody that the PTB might put out there to foreshadow something (or disinformation). So the meaning of that I don't know...

In Russ Baker's book Family of Secrets he points out that Woodward was Naval Intelligence before working for the Washington Post -- in fact someone from the Pentagon recommended him for the job. Baker actually wrote a recent piece on Woodward where he goes into some of the history that's in Family of Secrets:

Typically, Woodward uses information he gets from his main sources to gain access to others. He then gets more secrets from them, and so on down the line. His stature--if that's the word--as a repository of this inside dope has been key to the relentless success machine that his media colleagues have perpetuated. The New York Times review of his Obama book laid out the formula:

In Obama's Wars, Mr. Woodward, as usual, eschews analysis and commentary. Instead, he hews to his I Am a Tape Recorder technique, using his insider access to give readers interested in inside-the-Beltway politics lots of granular detail harvested from interviews conducted on background, as well as leaked memos, meeting notes and other documents. Some of this information is revealing about the interplay of personality and policy and politics in Washington; some of it is just self-serving spin. As he's done in his earlier books, Mr. Woodward acknowledges that attributions of thoughts, conclusions or feelings to a person were in some cases not obtained directly from that person, but from notes or from a colleague whom the person told--a questionable but increasingly popular method, which means the reader should take the reconstructed scenes with a grain of salt.

And then, thanks to all this attention, and even with that grain of salt, the book went to #1.

But might there be more to Woodward and his oeuvre than just questionable work practices? Well, let's see. Woodward granted former CIA director George H.W. Bush a pass by excluding him from accounts of Iran-Contra, which occurred while the notorious intriguer was vice president under the notoriously hands-off Ronald Reagan. (When I asked Woodward about this for my book Family of Secrets, he replied, "Bush was...What was it he said at the time? I was out of the loop?") Later Woodward got exclusive access to H.W.'s son. He spent more time with George W. Bush than did any other journalist, writing several largely sympathetic books about his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan before playing catch-up with prevailing sentiment and essentially reversing course.

Now, for a bit of cognitive dissonance. Woodward's signature achievement--bringing down Richard Nixon--turns out not to be what we all thought. If that comes as a surprise, you have missed a few books, including bestsellers, that put pieces of this puzzle together. ( Family of Secrets has several chapters on the real Watergate story, but there are others that present detailed information, including those by Len Colodny and Robert Gettlin, James Rosen, Jim Hougan and others.)

Here's the deal: Bob, top secret Naval officer, gets sent to work in the Nixon White House while still on military duty. Then, with no journalistic credentials to speak of, and with a boost from White House staffers, he lands a job at the Washington Post. Not long thereafter he starts to take down Richard Nixon. Meanwhile, Woodward's military bosses are running a spy ring inside the White House that is monitoring Nixon and Kissinger's secret negotiations with America's enemies (China, Soviet Union, etc), stealing documents and funneling them back to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They then give what they stole to columnist Jack Anderson and others in the press.

That's not the iconic Woodward of legend, of course--so it takes a while for this notion to settle in the mind. But there's more--and it's even more troubling. Did you know there was really no Deep Throat, that the Mark Felt story was conjured up as yet another layer of cover in what became a daisy chain of disinformation? Did you know that Richard Nixon was loathed and feared by the military brass, that they and their allies were desperate to get Nixon out and halt his rapprochement with the Communists? That a bunch of operatives with direct or indirect CIA/military connections, from E. Howard Hunt to Alexander Butterfield to John Dean--wormed their way into key White House posts, and started up the Keystone Kops operations that would be laid at Nixon's office door?
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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby Skunkboy » Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:23 am

My, my my... from Wayne Madsen to Bob Woodward. Quite a wide spectrum of "journalism" to consider, and to use rigorous intuition on. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were my heros in the early 70's. If Montag's post is true, (and I don't doubt it is), it just confirms my thought that true heros are very far, and few between. As far as Wayne Madsen, isn't he always trying to spin an alternative universe version of what is going on? Wasn't it him during the darkest days of the Bush years, telling tales of French intelligence agents getting in gunfights with Blackwater goons in the Chicago subway underneath Patrick Fitzgerald's courthouse? HMW might need to chime in on all of this.
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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby justdrew » Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:52 am

Skunkboy wrote:My, my my... from Wayne Madsen to Bob Woodward. Quite a wide spectrum of "journalism" to consider, and to use rigorous intuition on. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were my heros in the early 70's. If Montag's post is true, (and I don't doubt it is), it just confirms my thought that true heros are very far, and few between. As far as Wayne Madsen, isn't he always trying to spin an alternative universe version of what is going on? Wasn't it him during the darkest days of the Bush years, telling tales of French intelligence agents getting in gunfights with Blackwater goons in the Chicago subway underneath Patrick Fitzgerald's courthouse? HMW might need to chime in on all of this.


yep, that was lil Wayne's handiwork

I don't care for a lot of the things O.'s signed his name to, but I also have no doubt the the option to make perfect choices is HIGHLY constrained. At least we're dealing with an administration capable of making the right enemies.

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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby 82_28 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:06 am

Skunkboy wrote:My, my my... from Wayne Madsen to Bob Woodward. Quite a wide spectrum of "journalism" to consider, and to use rigorous intuition on. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were my heros in the early 70's. If Montag's post is true, (and I don't doubt it is), it just confirms my thought that true heros are very far, and few between. As far as Wayne Madsen, isn't he always trying to spin an alternative universe version of what is going on? Wasn't it him during the darkest days of the Bush years, telling tales of French intelligence agents getting in gunfights with Blackwater goons in the Chicago subway underneath Patrick Fitzgerald's courthouse? HMW might need to chime in on all of this.


Ah yes. That's where I originally remember Madsen from. I was taking the EL that day to O'Hare. When I got back I read about it somehow and some place. It was emblazoned in my memory from then on just because I had been in that very station the day prior. Thinking about it, these tell tale stories from the likes of Madsen truly fuel the CT sites. Which, in turn, fuel???
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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby surfaceskimmer » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:16 pm

Thanks, everyone, for your insightful responses. I apologize for not being 'present' here lately, being busy with other things, including reading Daniel Estulin's "Shadow Masters", which prompted me to stop back and ask you all what you make of the fact that Wayne Madsen is published by the same TrineDay house that publishes a book called "Rigorous Intuition" by one Jeff Wells (whoever he is).
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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby freemason9 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:19 pm

ha, head scratching is becoming nearly as prevalent as butt scratching on RI these days

on the other hand, it would be so groovy if bho crashed and burned, if only to let america have a good long sniff at the new faces that will crawl into the white house

at this point, i have to believe that americans deserve no less
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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby surfaceskimmer » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:44 pm

I'm no bho fan, but that doesn't mean I'm a fan of the other side and the clowns they have lined up either. I dropped the left-right paradigm a long time ago. I am of the opinion that bho was selected for us, groomed if you will, to drive the sheep into the willing chute of the new totalitarianism. Stuck in endless warsss, bailout after bailout, an economy deeply driven by drug money, fraud, and all manner of economic warfare and intellectual property theft, either choice brings us farther down the path to empirical collapse, the inevitable collapse of the Ponzi schemes, an infrastructure decay that is very deep, a shutdown of integrity and morality and curiosity and the ability to move and think on our individual and collective feet.... But bho is no messiah, no savior... we have had two years of what was aptly termed by a friend of mine as 'dangerously flaccid' leadership. I would go a step further and suggest that it is willfully flaccid... that the ineptitude is by design.
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Postby MinM » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:49 pm

surfaceskimmer wrote:Thanks, everyone, for your insightful responses. I apologize for not being 'present' here lately, being busy with other things, including reading Daniel Estulin's "Shadow Masters", which prompted me to stop back and ask you all what you make of the fact that Wayne Madsen is published by the same TrineDay house that publishes a book called "Rigorous Intuition" by one Jeff Wells (whoever he is).



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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby norton ash » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:14 am

Bwa-haw, MinM. We are ALL part of the same fringe whack-job conspiracy.

And Bebra is our Master.

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Bebra: My dear Oskar, trust an experienced colleague. Our kind must never sit in the audience. Our kind must perform and run the show, or it's the others that will run us. And the others are coming. They will take over the fairgrounds. They will stage torchlight parades. They will build platforms and fill them, and from those platforms preach our destruction.
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Re: "White House in Crisis" by Wayne Madsen

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:31 am

norton ash wrote:Bwa-haw, MinM. We are ALL part of the same fringe whack-job conspiracy.

And Bebra is our Master.

Oskar: To tell the truth, I prefer to remain a member of the audience, and let my little art flower in secret.
Bebra: My dear Oskar, trust an experienced colleague. Our kind must never sit in the audience. Our kind must perform and run the show, or it's the others that will run us. And the others are coming. They will take over the fairgrounds. They will stage torchlight parades. They will build platforms and fill them, and from those platforms preach our destruction.


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