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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:59 am

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Re: What are you listening to right now?

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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby Allegro » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:16 pm

stefano wrote:... I don't know anything about music but is that plaintive kind of slip between octaves (is that what it is?) called something?
stefano, I never would’ve thought anyone would bring up something I could speak to with such ease at RI. Lo and behold. So, I gladly attempt some answers for you. If I’ve not connected some dots, or if my descriptions are too complicated, feel free to ask me for clarification. Most often, writing complicated ideas is a forte for many RI writers, but not always done well by me. You know?

First, I’m unsure of the definition of your term “slip,” so, for the moment, I’ll define it as a thoroughbass; or a theme or passage of music that moves smoothly, easily, quietly, gradually. Then, your word “plaintive” meaning sorrowful, mournful, melancholic could describe from my point of view the feel of music that is accompanied by the thoroughbass. In Big City Life video, the rapper is accompanied.

Secondly, I’ll not neglect the definition of an octave, and it’s very good of you to bring up that word. It is defined as an interval made up of 12 semitones. One semitone would be the distance on the piano or electronic keyboard between a white key and its adjacent black key; or the distance between a black key and its adjacent white key; or, in two places on the keyboard you’ll see two white keys without a black one in between, the interval of which would be one semitone. So, all intervals less than 12 semitones apart would be considered within one octave. There are only four notes in the bass line composed for Big City Life video, and all those notes are within an octave. Simply put, had anyone of those four notes been placed elsewhere in the composition, then the bass line would’ve spanned, say, a couple of octaves.

I hope that’s been pretty clear, so far. Here’s a whole page on Music Theory/Scales and Intervals.

Now, thirdly, here are more specifics about the bass line, itself: it’s called by some schooled performers and composers Basso Continuo or Continuous Bass devised during the Baroque period 1600-1750; and, the line may be referred sometimes as thoroughbass. A continuo is a bass line composed of a certain number of notes, each of a certain interval from the previous note, played sequentially, and that sequence begins again once the previous sequence has been completed. Consecutive sequences are played as a thoroughbass throughout an entire musical work, or section of a work; usually, but not necessarily in all musical pieces incorporating a thoroughbass, composed for and played by the lowest pitched instrument.

As stated above, in Big City Life there are only four notes played sequentially in the thoroughbass, and, with a couple of exceptions, that bass line sequence is repeated monotonously till the end, which to my ears is uncreative. That bass line could have been softened with additional instrumentation, or halted for some time to give the listener a rest. However, I think the bass line, as proper as it already is, played against and starkly contrasting the rapper’s vocal line IMO well suits the lyrical and visual ethos of the video. Would you think so?

I do hope that’s been understandable. :basicsmile

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      Here’s a repeat of the vid talked about.

      Big City Life | music video

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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:29 pm

:ohwh ah, allegro, I thought he was talking about descending portamento in the vocal melody.
like at about 0:48-0:49 in the video you quoted. seems to my poor ear like just a tone or semi tone drop at the end of the phrase.
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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby barracuda » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:47 pm

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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby Allegro » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:49 pm

justdrew wrote::ohwh ah, allegro, I thought he was talking about descending portamento in the vocal melody.
like at about 0:48-0:49 in the video you quoted. seems to my poor ear like just a tone or semi tone drop at the end of the phrase.
See, I wasn't sure which elements stefano might have been referring to. I hadn't even considered a descending portamento due to the prominent bass line.

And, how did you know about a portamento in the first place? You've been in music? Well, it appears we've got more to share musically, eh? :basicsmile

ON EDIT second time around. Oh, I see your additional words. Maybe what you're hearing is the singer who frequents not-well-maintained vocal lines that perhaps serves I think the street ethos.

Okay, justdrew, I actually listened to the vocal line at the point you've indicated, and I think it could be a portamento with an adjustment in my definition of that word. Is the word street an okay word to describe that video?
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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:31 pm

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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:44 pm

Allegro wrote:
justdrew wrote::ohwh ah, allegro, I thought he was talking about descending portamento in the vocal melody.
like at about 0:48-0:49 in the video you quoted. seems to my poor ear like just a tone or semi tone drop at the end of the phrase.
See, I wasn't sure which elements stefano might have been referring to. I hadn't even considered a descending portamento due to the prominent bass line.

And, how did you know about a portamento in the first place? You've been in music? Well, it appears we've got more to share musically, eh? :basicsmile

well a I flunked an intro to music theory class due to non-attendance and read some books a long time ago, mostly just pick things up over the years as a music fan :shrug:

ON EDIT second time around. Oh, I see your additional words. Maybe what you're hearing is the singer who frequents not-well-maintained vocal lines that perhaps serves I think the street ethos.

Okay, justdrew, I actually listened to the vocal line at the point you've indicated, and I think it could be a portamento with an adjustment in my definition of that word. Is the word street an okay word to describe that video?
maybe there's another word for it for voice? (back on 299 I tried to pick out some other examples from memory)
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Re: What are you listening to right now?

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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby Sepka » Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:49 pm

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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:25 am

barracuda wrote:Posting in epic three hundred page thread.


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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby barracuda » Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:07 pm

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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:45 pm

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There is a song in this vid. It is a good one too:



This one's real, apparently, and not satirical. It's from a crowd called Breed Ministries, based in California.


They believe that authority is usually a benign and helpful force, carrying the mandate of heaven, which is rather touching.

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I foresee a resurgence in the type of landlords this song is about, as the new Coalition government's spending cuts begin to bite into the profits of the buy-to-let crew:

"The universe is 40 billion light years across and every inch of it would kill you if you went there. That is the position of the universe with regard to human life."
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Re: What are you listening to right now?

Postby justdrew » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:32 pm

those poor kids...


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What are you listening to right now?

Postby Allegro » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:35 pm

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interesting... ^^remembering those poor kids

When a Narcissist Becomes a Church Leader
    Evidently, the text is an excerpt from Malignant Self Love
    by Dr. Sam Vaknin. Text is read on the youtube page.


Another reference for Vaknin.
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