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Internet: It's been real, people, but the boom is lowering.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:21 am

NINETY-FIVE candidates for political office in 2010, all of them Democrats, signed the pledge to strongly protect Net neutrality at http://netneutralityprotectors.com/

On Tuesday, every single one of them lost. Obviously not because of their stand on net neutrality, which I doubt was a primary issue in any of their election fights.

But ZERO for NINETY-FIVE?! That's more than three perfect games in a row.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/03/technol ... ney_latest

And NOW you're going to see the truly unlimited anonymous corporate money go to work, starting RIGHT NOW. There will be more corporate political ads next year by far, and one of the big items will be to allow "freedom" for Internet carriers. Some alliance of wireless carriers invoking images of "American freedom" against regulation already had a campaign going last night. The commercial didn't make any sense or advance a specific anything, which doesn't matter. The TV networks know who's buying the ads, and why. So do the politicians.

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(Late edit: added a comma to the title, as I don't mean to suggest that the Internet actually consists of "real people.")
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Re: Internet: It's been real people, but the boom is lowerin

Postby Montag » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:24 am

Yeah, "freedom" to make the Internet a toll road.
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Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:26 am

Check /b/ for the next step.
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Re: Internet: It's been real people, but the boom is lowerin

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:27 am

Luther Blissett wrote:Check /b/ for the next step.


Okay, I hoped I'd never have to ask, but here goes. What the fuck is /b/ ?
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Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:40 am

The chan message board - notorious for their anarchic approach to problems like scientology. Impenetrable, tough to follow, anonymous, but is often pretty useful. I definitely see it as an anti-fascist tool. But it's brutal.
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Postby barracuda » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:45 am

/b/ is the random subject posting forum at 4chan, and is the source of the anti-Scientology group "anonymous" who are responsible for, among other things, finding out the name of the lady who put the cat in the garbage can and releasing it to the world. In other words, an anarchistic force occasionally able to mount somewhat significant incursions from behind their V for Vendetta masks.

WARNING - /b/ IS NSFW, or just about anywhere else.

Net neutrality is a non-issue, I think. Much of the web is already behind paywalls, and for the forces of evil to continue their successes, the flow of propaganda must remain largely unimpeded, an adjunct consequence of which remains the avenues for information and congress which we have at the moment. Realistically, a free internet is of very little consequence to the hierarchy, but allows for yet another measure of control.
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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:48 am

Well, the one thing that zero for ninety-five confirms is that the blogosphere is harmless.
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Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:49 am

Luther Blissett wrote:The chan message board - notorious for their anarchic approach to problems like scientology. Impenetrable, tough to follow, anonymous, but is often pretty useful. I definitely see it as an anti-fascist tool. But it's brutal.


The blind idiot laughing god of the internet, or thousands of teenage nerds doing just what you'd expect thousands of teenage nerds to do if they gathered together in one place.

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Postby barracuda » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:56 am

JackRiddler wrote:Well, the one thing that zero for ninety-five confirms is that the blogosphere is harmless.


Yep. Further than that I would say that it demonstrates, to a certain extent, that information itself has a great deal less impact on the fundamental make-up of the world than is usually considered. Information is malleable and contingent and negotiable, to the extent that neither Wikileaks, nor the chans, nor the independent media, nor the anti-war protests before the Iraq invasion have been able in any way to stem the tide. The tea party is the best recent example: put their idiocy on display and they simply win more adherents. Information is counter-productive.
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Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:30 pm

barracuda wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Well, the one thing that zero for ninety-five confirms is that the blogosphere is harmless.


Yep. Further than that I would say that it demonstrates, to a certain extent, that information itself has a great deal less impact on the fundamental make-up of the world than is usually considered. Information is malleable and contingent and negotiable, to the extent that neither Wikileaks, nor the chans, nor the independent media, nor the anti-war protests before the Iraq invasion have been able in any way to stem the tide. The tea party is the best recent example: put their idiocy on display and they simply win more adherents. Information is counter-productive.



Further than that I would say that it demonstrates, to a certain extent, that information itself has a great deal less impact on the fundamental make-up of the world than is usually considered.


By who?

Information is malleable and contingent and negotiable


and dowright turn-inside-outable.

Information is counter-productive.


Yah, it's a truism even bad publicity is publicity. Although I suppose there is some limit to that. Like I doubt BP can consider the gulf spill in any way "good" publicity.

I'm sure you've said it before somewhere and I've missed it, but what do you recommend a human being with a conscience and some desire to do something other than completely withdraw do? Are people who will not see or who will only see what supports their preconceived notions completely beyond any informational redemption? Is there some age cut off beyond which we should not waste a breath or a keystroke in any persuasive efforts?
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:33 pm

There's this aspect that broke yesterday. When I read it I thought "very, very clever". As in, very clever way to come up with a Hegelian solution. . .

Will Netflix Destroy the Internet?

On Sept. 22, Netflix began offering its streaming movie service in Canada. This was Netflix's first venture outside of the United States, and because the company wasn't offering its traditional DVD-by-mail plan to Canadians, its prospects seemed questionable. How many people would pay $7.99 per month (Canadian) for the chance to watch Superbad whenever they wanted?

A lot, it turns out. According to Sandvine, a network management company that studies Internet traffic patterns, 10 percent of Canadian Internet users visited Netflix.com in the week after the service launched. And they weren't just visiting—they were signing up and watching a lot of movies. Netflix videos quickly came to dominate broadband lines across Canada, with Netflix subscribers' bandwidth usage doubling that of YouTube users.*

It's not just Canada. Netflix is swallowing America's bandwidth, too, and it probably won't be long before it comes for the rest of the world. That's one of the headlines from Sandvine's Fall 2010 Global Internet Phenomena Report, an exhaustive look at what people around the world are doing with their Internet lines. According to Sandvine, Netflix accounts for 20 percent of downstream Internet traffic during peak home Internet usage hours in North America. That's an amazing share—it beats that of YouTube, iTunes, Hulu, and, perhaps most tellingly, the peer-to-peer file-sharing protocol BitTorrent, which accounts for a mere 8 percent of bandwidth during peak hours. It wasn't long ago that pundits wondered if the movie industry would be sunk by the same problems that submarined the music industry a decade ago—would we all turn away from legal content in favor of downloading pirated movies and TV shows? Three or four years ago, as BitTorrent traffic surged, that seemed likely. Today, though, Netflix is far bigger than BitTorrent, and it seems sure to keep growing.

Sandvine has been publishing annual reports on broadband usage since 2002. When you study previous editions, you notice that Netflix's dominance over BitTorrent fits into a larger story about how our Internet use is changing. Over time, we've shifted away from "asynchronous" applications toward "real-time" apps. Every year, that is, we're using more of our bandwidth to download stuff we need right now, and less for stuff we need later. Sandvine's 2008 report (PDF) showed that all the applications that saw big increases in traffic were dependent on real-time access: online gaming, Internet telephone programs like Skype, instant messaging, Web video, and "placeshifting" devices like Slingbox that let you watch TV shows you record on the Internet. Peer-to-peer file-sharing is asynchronous; you spend hours downloading a movie or game that you'll watch or play later. In Sandvine's 2008 report, peer-to-peer use was essentially unchanged from the previous year. By 2009, peer-to-peer traffic had declined by 25 percent (PDF).

That makes sense—once we come to expect immediate access to videos, BitTorrent's download-now, watch-later model seems outdated. That's what happened for me. In a column last spring, I admitted my affection for illegally downloading movies and TV using BitTorrent. I had what I thought was a good excuse for going over to the dark side—there wasn't a good way to get movies and TV shows legally online. Yes, Netflix offered a streaming service called Watch Instantly, but I wrote that the company's streaming service "often feels like Settle-For Instantly, since many of the titles are of the airline-movie variety."

In the last 18 months, though, Netflix has gotten much better in two main ways. First, it signed deals with TV networks and movie distributors that let it add a lot more movies and shows. It certainly doesn't have everything—or even most things—that I want, but I rarely feel like I'm wasting my time watching garbage. Second, Netflix's streaming service is now available on a wide range of devices—you can watch with your computer, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Blu-ray and DVD players, Wii, PlayStation 3, Xbox, and a range of Web-connected TVs. This is one of my favorite things about Netflix: I can start a movie on my TV, watch a bit of it later on my PC, and then finish it on my iPad before bed. Every time I switch to a new device, the video starts right where I left off. No other movie-delivery system—not DVDs, not BitTorrent, not iTunes, not Hulu—allow for this kind of flexibility. And as long as Netflix keeps expanding its library and the number of devices you can get it on, I don't see how it can lose.

Well, maybe there is one dark cloud: Will there be enough available bandwidth for Netflix to keep growing? Wired.com's Ryan Singel points out that in the hours when Netflix hits 20 percent of broadband use, it's being used by just under 2 percent of Netflix subscribers. That stat has huge implications for how ISPs manage their lines. If 2 percent of Netflix customers account for one-fifth of the traffic on North American broadband lines, what will happen when more and more Netflixers begin to watch movies during peak times?*

The outcome might actually not be that dire. Theoretically, broadband capacity isn't fixed—as people begin using bandwidth-hogging services like Netflix more often, they'll subscribe to faster Internet lines, and that will push ISPs to build out their capacity. Still, as I've pointed out in the past, American broadband is pretty crummy. Unlike in other countries, our Internet plans haven't been getting faster, cheaper, and more widespread. In a presentation that it published online earlier this year, Netflix predicted that its shipments of DVDs would peak in 2013—after that, the number of discs it sends out will begin to decline. The future of Netflix, then, is the Internet. It's an open question whether the Internet can keep up.


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Postby barracuda » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:17 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:By who?


By those who say that knowledge is power. Even, daresay, by those who would seek to free themselves under the banner of "what you don't know can't hurt them."

I'm sure you've said it before somewhere and I've missed it, but what do you recommend a human being with a conscience and some desire to do something other than completely withdraw do? Are people who will not see or who will only see what supports their preconceived notions completely beyond any informational redemption? Is there some age cut off beyond which we should not waste a breath or a keystroke in any persuasive efforts?



I don't recommend withdrawal, but engagement within the scope of understanding the limits of most individual's ability to make an impact beyond the local arena of influence, and to consider the ripple effect of living your life in an exemplary manner, which can be huge. I recommend telling everyone in earshot just what you think, obvously. However, I do believe there are clear epistemological issues wwhich have come into sharp focus with the introduction of the hive mind/global village/propaganda praxis that the internet embodies. Among those issues is the idea that given enough information, people will make the right choices, or choices which are in their best interests. It has been shown to almost never be the case.
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Postby justdrew » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:26 pm

barracuda wrote:[...] Among those issues is the idea that given enough information, people will make the right choices, or choices which are in their best interests. It has been shown to almost never be the case.


yes, and any salesman from the last half-century knows that. It's a saying in the industry IIRC, though phrased slightly differently.
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Postby bks » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:36 pm

However, I do believe there are clear epistemological issues wwhich have come into sharp focus with the introduction of the hive mind/global village/propaganda praxis that the internet embodies. Among those issues is the idea that given enough information, people will make the right choices, or choices which are in their best interests. It has been shown to almost never be the case.


Everyone knows this for going on 100 years now. Advertisers, for instance, don't even bother making quality appeals any longer. They'd rather talk to you when you're not listening, because it's much easier for their real messages to get through to you that way.

The obvious remedy for decorporatizing social control is the creation of local, small-to-intermediate level alternatives to the super-huge service providers for the things people want and need. Outside of food co-ops, cooperative childcare networks and a couple of other marginally impactful efforts like car-sharing, I see absolutely no meaningful movement towards that world in my bubble of experience. How is it that my two choices for wireless internet services are Verizon and Comcast? Next to that fact, narrowing the availability of certain kinds of web content really pales in comparison.

Anyway, the main contributions of the internet have been the further commercialization of political passivity, sloth, and the widespread indulgence in substitute gratifications available 24 hours a day.
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Postby bks » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:37 pm

crossed with you drew.
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