Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

[Simulist]

What does DHS expect when it hires people you wouldn't want flipping your hamburger as TSA "law enforcement"?

[LilyPatToo]

Project Willow said:

OK, this is disturbing me so much, beyond the immediately understandable, I think one problem is that I'm reading these defense pieces as a step too close to a defense of the government employed sociopaths who irradiated and sexually abused me "for the greater good" of this "country".

If enough people can find agreement with this treatment then what would stop them from supporting what has been done to 100,000 human experimentation and MC slaves as well? What is to stop them from justifying molestation or sexual assault that doesn't involve penetration? I can hear it already: "What are you compaining about girl? You have to go through more than that to get on an airplane."

This is creating a mountainous, slimy, brown, slippery slope.

Messed-with minds sometimes think much alike--this occurred to me last night as I was lying awake worrying about tomorrow's trip through the Ft. Lauderdale Airport security area. I've already been the recipient of a few denigrating comments re: just how bad it really could have been to have been experimented on, after all? Most times it happens, I'm so stunned that I'm struck dumb, which is unfortunate, since what I'm thinking would peel varnish off wood

I look at this as just one more step on the long road to the desensitization of the US public to overt fascism. In fact, to me, this is probably the definitive step--if you can get Americans to line up and have themselves and their children groped in public, then the Really Bad Guys have won. Period.

It's really terrifying to me to see the 4th amendment ditched and so many citizens insisting you're a "crybaby" if you protest its demise. Survivors of severe sexual abuse have enough trouble understanding boundaries and belatedly forming them, without being told they're suddenly required to submit to a public groping. And if they find the words to protest, then they go onto a DHS list...I keep thinking this is all a really bad dream...

LilyPat

Edited to clarify: Just realized that I don't have to face the security line until *Saturday*. Feels like a stay of execution!

[Peachtree Pam]

Lily Pat,

I could not agree more with what you have written. This is the end game. If the sheeple accept this, and do nothing at all to fight back, there is no hope.

At the very least, a boycott of air travel would have a huge impact. It seems like no one understands the effectiveness of a boycott - it means hitting them with monetary consequences - the only thing they understand and fear.

Of course, not everyone can participate in a boycott, but everyone can think twice about traveling on a plane, or just saving the money by staying home.

This is an exercise to see how much humiliation the public will accept without rebellion taking place. It is an in-your-face example of control.

[anothershamus]

LilyPatwrote:

I look at this as just one more step on the long road to the desensitization of the US public to overt fascism. In fact, to me, this is probably the definitive step--if you can get Americans to line up and have themselves and their children groped in public, then the Really Bad Guys have won. Period.

Incremental loss of freedoms towards what end? Will they lower the amount of money they can take off shore? Will they have more travel restrictions so fewer people can leave the country? Will they confiscate gold/silver at the borders? Cryptogon Kevin says that he has heard from 3 people of means (read millionaires) that want to expat just in the last week. Do they know something that we don't? There has been lot's of talk about a 'tipping point', in this time frame, Second half of November, and we are upon it. Being distracted by black friday sales and the rebirth of consumption, is there a really big ...?... in our future? War, Economic Collapse, Weather Anomalies, Crappy winter season of TV? Take your pick. They all point to Chaos!

[Project Willow]

LilyPat,
It didn't register with me exactly what day you were flying but I've been thinking about you. In reviewing coverage of the activities yesterday it seems the TSA went a lighter route and only subjected selections of people for the enhanced screenings. There were reports in some places that scanners weren't even turned on. I'm hoping this will be the scenario when you have to fly.

Meanwhile here's another anecdote...

Menstruating woman subjected to TSA grope because panty-liner obscured her vulva on pornoscanner

"This email isn't going to be as polished as I would normally send, but I'm upset and I don't want what happened to me to happen to anyone else (if I can stop it). I recently traveled via air, and was subjected to that new scanning device. "No problem," I thought. I was wearing jeans and a linen tanktop, bra, panties, and one camoflauge pantyliner. I'm a rule follower, so I never have any problems at the airport. Not this time. I was stopped, and then held for 15 mintues while they tried to find a female supervisor. I couldn't get to my bag, my shawl or my shoes; just standing there while the TSA agents kept me in one place. Now, I don't want this to be about bad TSA agents; they were doing their job, they were as delicate as they could be, etc., etc. But what ultimately happened is that I was subjected to search so invasive that I was left crying and dealing with memories that I thought had been dealt with years ago of prior sexual assualts. Why? Because of my flannel panty-liner. These new scans are so horrible that if you are wearing something unusual (like a piece of cloth on your panties) then you will be subjected to a search where a woman repeatedly has to check your "groin" while another woman watches on (two in my case - they were training in a new girl - awesome). So please, please, tell the ladies not to wear their liners at the airport (I didn't even have an insert in). I'm a strong, confident woman; I'm an Army vet (which is why those camo liners crack me up), I work full-time and go to graduate school full-time, I have a wonderful husband, and I don't take any nonsense from anyone. I don't dramatize, and I don't exaggerate. I'm trying to give you a sense of who I am so you won't think that this is a plea for attention, or a jumping on the bandwagon about the recent TSA proposed boycott. I just don't want another woman to have to go through the "patting down" because she didn't know that her glad-rag would be a matter of national security."

[vanlose kid]

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Vanlose,
Do you have a vodpod account? It must be killer...

vodpod? no. i had to google that. had no idea. way behind the times.

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[Pele'sDaughter]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns ... ?GT1=43001

A retired special education teacher on his way to a wedding in Orlando, Fla., said he was left humiliated, crying and covered with his own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA officers recently at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

“I was absolutely humiliated, I couldn’t even speak,” said Thomas D. “Tom” Sawyer, 61, of Lansing, Mich.
Sawyer is a bladder cancer survivor who now wears a urostomy bag, which collects his urine from a stoma, or opening in his abdomen. “I have to wear special clothes and in order to mount the bag I have to seal a wafer to my stomach and then attach the bag. If the seal is broken, urine can leak all over my body and clothes.”

On Nov. 7, Sawyer said he went through the security scanner at Detroit Metropolitan Airport. “Evidently the scanner picked up on my urostomy bag, because I was chosen for a pat-down procedure.”

Due to his medical condition, Sawyer asked to be screened in private. “One officer looked at another, rolled his eyes and said that they really didn’t have any place to take me,” said Sawyer. “After I said again that I’d like privacy, they took me to an office.”

Sawyer wears pants two sizes too large in order to accommodate the medical equipment he wears. He’d taken off his belt to go through the scanner and once in the office with security personnel, his pants fell down around his ankles. “I had to ask twice if it was OK to pull up my shorts,” said Sawyer, “And every time I tried to tell them about my medical condition, they said they didn’t need to know about that.”

Before starting the enhanced pat-down procedure, a security officer did tell him what they were going to do and how they were going to it, but Sawyer said it wasn’t until they asked him to remove his sweatshirt and saw his urostomy bag that they asked any questions about his medical condition.

“One agent watched as the other used his flat hand to go slowly down my chest. I tried to warn him that he would hit the bag and break the seal on my bag, but he ignored me. Sure enough, the seal was broken and urine started dribbling down my shirt and my leg and into my pants.”

The security officer finished the pat-down, tested the gloves for any trace of explosives and then, Sawyer said, “He told me I could go. They never apologized. They never offered to help. They acted like they hadn’t seen what happened. But I know they saw it because I had a wet mark.”

Humiliated, upset and wet, Sawyer said he had to walk through the airport soaked in urine, board his plane and wait until after takeoff before he could clean up.

“I am totally appalled by the fact that agents that are performing these pat-downs have so little concern for people with medical conditions,” said Sawyer.

Sawyer completed his trip and had no problems with the security procedures at the Orlando International Airport on his journey back home. He said he plans to file a formal complaint with the TSA.

When he does, said TSA spokesperson Dwayne Baird, “We will review the matter and take appropriate action if necessary.” In the meantime, Baird encourages anyone with a medical condition to read the TSA’s website section on assistive devices and mobility aids.

The website says that travelers with disabilities and medical conditions have “the option of requesting a private screening” and that security officers “will not ask nor require you to remove your prosthetic device, cast, or support brace.”

Sawyer said he's written to his senators, state representatives and the president of the United States. He’s also shared details of the incident online with members of the nonprofit Bladder Cancer Advocacy Network, many of whom have offered support and shared their travel experiences.

“I am a good American and I want safety for all passengers as much as the next person," Sawyer said. "But if this country is going to sacrifice treating people like human beings in the name of safety, then we have already lost the war.”
Bladder Cancer Advocacy Network executive director Claire Saxton said that there are hundreds of thousands of people living with ostomies in the United States. “TSA agents need to be trained to listen when someone tells them have a health issue and trained in knowing what an ostomy is. No one living with an ostomy should be afraid of flying because they’re afraid of being humiliated at the checkpoint.”

Eric Lipp, executive director of Open Doors Association, which works with businesses and the disability community, called what happened to Sawyer “unfortunate.”

“But enhanced pat-downs are not a new issue for people with disabilities who travel," Lipp said. "They've always had trouble getting through the security checkpoint."

Still, Lipp said the TSA knows there’s a problem. “This came up during a recent meeting of the agency’s disability advisory board and I expect to see a procedure coming in place shortly that will directly address the pat-down procedures for people with disabilities.”

[Montag]

vodpod? no. i had to google that. had no idea. way behind the times.

Oh Darn... That would have been good. Let us know when you get into the 21st century.

[Montag]

Vanlose,
Just kidding about getting into the 21st century. I'm sure there's an immense amount of this stuff, that I'm totally unaware of.

[Alaya]

Lily Pat,

I could not agree more with what you have written. This is the end game. If the sheeple accept this, and do nothing at all to fight back, there is no hope.

At the very least, a boycott of air travel would have a huge impact. It seems like no one understands the effectiveness of a boycott - it means hitting them with monetary consequences - the only thing they understand and fear.

Of course, not everyone can participate in a boycott, but everyone can think twice about traveling on a plane, or just saving the money by staying home.

This is an exercise to see how much humiliation the public will accept without rebellion taking place. It is an in-your-face example of control.

I am thinking along the same lines. Last week while crossing into Mexico there was a new American checkpoint. We were rudely interrogated in rapid-fire manner by a woman who could hardly speak the language. She was not typical border guard and dressed in blue instead of beige.
She asked us for ID, when I bought my car, the significance of my jewelry (irrelevant, stupid questions), took my husband's business card. I asked her what all this was about and she replied, "Just doing my job m'am" and then proceeded to walk all around the car tapping it with her billy club.
I talked to a woman down there who is a lawyer and got the same treatment. It was clearly desensitization/intimidation and looking for levels of compliance. This is new behavior. Mostly the border guards are friendly to neutral and we never got checked going in before. It did clearly feel like they were discouraging travel period.

[LilyPatToo]

Lily Pat,

I could not agree more with what you have written. This is the end game. If the sheeple accept this, and do nothing at all to fight back, there is no hope.

At the very least, a boycott of air travel would have a huge impact. It seems like no one understands the effectiveness of a boycott - it means hitting them with monetary consequences - the only thing they understand and fear.

Of course, not everyone can participate in a boycott, but everyone can think twice about traveling on a plane, or just saving the money by staying home.

This is an exercise to see how much humiliation the public will accept without rebellion taking place. It is an in-your-face example of control.

I am thinking along the same lines. Last week while crossing into Mexico there was a new American checkpoint. We were rudely interrogated in rapid-fire manner by a woman who could hardly speak the language. She was not typical border guard and dressed in blue instead of beige.
She asked us for ID, when I bought my car, the significance of my jewelry (irrelevant, stupid questions), took my husband's business card. I asked her what all this was about and she replied, "Just doing my job m'am" and then proceeded to walk all around the car tapping it with her billy club.
I talked to a woman down there who is a lawyer and got the same treatment. It was clearly desensitization/intimidation and looking for levels of compliance. This is new behavior. Mostly the border guards are friendly to neutral and we never got checked going in before. It did clearly feel like they were discouraging travel period.

You know what? The Israeli security working for El Al do that. They have a specially trained agent who interrogates you ruthlessly about every statement you make in answer to every question they ask you. It quickly gets incredibly stupid and non-relevant, but the purpose isn't to elicit answers--it's to see at what point you become aggravated enough to stand up to them.

When it was done to me on our first trip to Israel, I was stressed, sleep-deprived and already in a not-so-good mood. When the agent aggressively questioned me about my son's death (!) I was on the point of slapping her face. Not sure what would have happened if I had. So on the next trip, I made sure I was in a better frame of mind for the inquisition.

While I deeply resented the adversarial style of the questioning, I'd go through it every time I fly, rather than be genitally groped. But, over-all, I really do feel that the fascists are currently running a serious test of our current levels of resistance to unreasonable intrusions. I don't know about you guys, but I'm becoming really alarmed at how many people are in "herd mode" and just mouthing platitudes, rather than becoming outraged. Stockholm syndrome is becoming a national disorder.

LilyPat

[Alaya]

Also, everything anothershamus said.

I am totally fucking alarmed too, LP. We were totally unprepared for this treatment and after we felt shamed and guilty that we were going to the beach. Of course then I was furious about it for a few days.
This woman guard was well-trained and not Hispanic. The sheer arrogance of her style was compelling and in other circumstances I would creamed her in one way or another.
My natural tendency is to resist but I have this chronic pain thing and it be more than unpleasant to be detained for a long period of time.

You're right about the zombie-like compliance of the American people. It's like they're too fat and spoiled to grok what's really happening. I keep coming back to a lack of deep sense of history (almost like something gene deficient ) that people in other countries have and a juvenile belief system about our government. I have a horribly sick feeling about what's going on and like anothershamus said I think maybe there was a tipping point after all. I feel like they are just practicing now and when the next false flag occurs, the jackboot is coming down hard.

[Nordic]

Now might be a good time to get out.

Then again I've been thinking that for a while .......

[82_28]

I feel like they are just practicing now and when the next false flag occurs, the jackboot is coming down hard.

This.

This is exactly what they are paving the way for. There is no other logical explanation. Everything has been set up for all to be ready, not for "the event", but what the plan is. Their cover has been blown and they know it. They're gonna need a big one again. I don't think they have the ratio needed any longer though to pin it on "Muslims" or "terrorists" or "lone nuts" anymore however. But perhaps they do. A staged event larger than anything that has ever come before will be what is needed and/or multiple smaller events in socially sensitive locations.

[LilyPatToo]

I don't know that there will be a discernible event, but I'll bet every cent I have that there are social scientists somewhere crunching numbers on how many of us were outraged and how many bent over and asked for more.

Years ago, when I was reading bios written by other survivors of the mind control programs, one of them said that what had happened to her was just preliminary experimentation with techniques to be used on everyone someday. Don't ask me who said it--I'd have to look it up and my books are thousands of miles away--but my own impression from my own early memories is that the goal of most of it was the collection of data.

People tend to get distracted by the traumatization methods used to get us to dissociate, because of their emotional charge. But that wasn't usually the primary goal--it was endless tests and games, all of which generated data.

To me, no matter how loudly they protest that they're willing to undergo public touching of their sexual organs, those moronic "patriots" are being severely traumatized...just as the kids experimented on in the programs were traumatized. And the traumatization was done with a goal--to produce a helpless animal whose behavior could be controlled. So have we just seen the programs expanded to everybody who flies?

Maybe it's just a pattern I'm discerning due to my own past, but it scares the bejesus out of me to see Americans being treated in this way and nothing really being done to end it. It's like a nightmare. I guess I counted on a much more violent response to the denial of our Constitutional right to reasonable privacy and on a way louder call for immediate suspension of the practices. Scares me that it's playing out this way, to be honest

LilyPat