need a book suggestion - overview of "rig-int" material

[nashvillebrook]

The Transmigration of Timothy Archer

UBIK

Radio Free Albemuth

Time Out of Joint

All by PKD.

And then I would run with Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood.

White Noise by Don Delillo.

And any old Choose Your Own Adventure book from the 80s after that.

Oh and Dragons of Eden by Carl Sagan for good measure.

you wouldn't believe how many times Handmaid's Tale comes up! it was required reading for a poly class and i know i've got it here. The PKD stuff is totally on my list. I'm checking out the others right now.

we talked about this on the way back from thanksgiving last night...he's wondering about the intersection of gods, cryptids and UFOs. i think he's asking the question "who made who." so, he's got a hold of lore aspect of this stuff. i told him that one avenue to explore is the trickster. another is The Nine, and how Rodenberry and the others were influenced by "them."

[Wombaticus Rex]

The first volume of Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State is pretty flawless. His subsequent career, much less so.

As for parapolitics, I'm completely blown away by Albarelli's A Terrible Mistake. I'm having a very hard time digesting it, really, since I grew up reading about the CIA/LSD nexus and Albarelli's information would seem to indicate that most of the material I've read, from John Marks up to Acid Dreams, was a whitewash, or at least based on a CIA-funded/written/disseminated narrative.

For a single-volume, short-dose intro, though, this might be left field but I really recommend Vallee's Revelations. The constant double-bind hall of mirrors that he presents, and navigates through with a level head, is really impressive. I think books like Magonia or Messengers are certainly more important in the field, but I do think Revelations was Vallee's most perfectly written dosage. It will get your anonymous pal up to speed on about 5 fronts at once, real quick.

[Montag]

what's your suggestion wrt to Marrs -- i might give him another shot. I think I have Alien Agenda in my collection. i've had psi-spies and rise of the 4th Reich in my shopping cart many times, and haven't pulled the trigger.

Well, actually the books I would suggest are Alien Agenda, Rule by Secrecy and The Rise of the Fourth Reich. Actually those are the only ones I have read, so I probably shouldn't suggest anything else. The reason I think he is good, I mean I haven't established him as a disinfo person, but I don't think he has the gravitas of a Peter Dale Scott, Richard Dolan, or perhaps even a Michael C. Ruppert IMO -- but then again few do. I think he's good b/c as I said he'd be a good intro to rig-int material I think. Exactly what you asked, haha. I mean those three books get into so many different theories that are out there. You sound like you have more knowledge already than the OP would suggest, but I can't imagine there still wouldn't be a wealth of new stuff there.

Maybe I'm easily sucked in by people that "seem smart". It's not that Marrs isn't smart (though he has that "everyman feel" when I've heard him interviewed, don't know if it's the Texas accent or what), actually I think he definitely entertains some spurious stuff. Makes for interesting reading, but I haven't leapt to some of the conclusions that he seems to have. Well, like at the end of Rule by Secrecy he talks a lot about the Annunaki, and that part of the book kind of threw me. I mean I consider them to be mythical... And I can't recall what his sources were (I assume Sitchin). Michael Heiser Phd in Semitic languages has a website up criticizing Sitchin: http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/.

Since I've only read The 12th Planet by Sitchin, I don't really know what Sitchin thinks the Annunaki have done in human history. Other than, of course, they came here for mining and genetically engineered the species (according to him). So everything Marrs attributes to the Annunaki, I don't think is very serious.

[jbinks]

Gods of Eden by William Bramley and Stargate Conspiracy by Picknet and Prince.

[Occult Means Hidden]

Someone who isn't even inclined to RI material would need a lot of spiritual and political prep-work in order to be acclimated - in a way.

A "spiritual" angle, i'd suggest: The Adventure of Self-Discovery by Stanislav Grof or the Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot

A "political" angle would require: When Corporations Rule the World by David Korten. A very underrated book.

[nashvillebrook]

The first volume of Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State is pretty flawless. His subsequent career, much less so.

As for parapolitics, I'm completely blown away by Albarelli's A Terrible Mistake. I'm having a very hard time digesting it, really, since I grew up reading about the CIA/LSD nexus and Albarelli's information would seem to indicate that most of the material I've read, from John Marks up to Acid Dreams, was a whitewash, or at least based on a CIA-funded/written/disseminated narrative.

For a single-volume, short-dose intro, though, this might be left field but I really recommend Vallee's Revelations. The constant double-bind hall of mirrors that he presents, and navigates through with a level head, is really impressive. I think books like Magonia or Messengers are certainly more important in the field, but I do think Revelations was Vallee's most perfectly written dosage. It will get your anonymous pal up to speed on about 5 fronts at once, real quick.

I was on the fence about which Dolan book to get and on your recommendation I just downloaded the volume 1 (I loved the recent discussion here on Dolan)....and I'm pretty sure I have all the Vallee books in pocket paperback. and you are so right on both counts -- Revelations is a much better first read, while Magonia and Messengers are more important books. Vallee did an interview with binnall of america that's worth a listen. Binnall can be a little difficult to listen to b/c (imo) he's such a fan of some of his interviewees that he just lets them talk. vallee didn't ramble, and was really focused for the whole thing, tho -- http://www.binnallofamerica.com/boaa7.20.8.html

i'll check out the Albarelli book too.

[nashvillebrook]

Someone who isn't even inclined to RI material would need a lot of spiritual and political prep-work in order to be acclimated - in a way.

A "spiritual" angle, i'd suggest: The Adventure of Self-Discovery by Stanislav Grof or the Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot

A "political" angle would require: When Corporations Rule the World by David Korten. A very underrated book.

I totally pulled out Holographic Universe this afternoon! that, and Presence of the Past (Rupert Sheldrake), and LMH's Glimpses of other Realities. on the spiritual angle -- what i really wish i had is a bunch of dried mushrooms!!

[nashvillebrook]

Gods of Eden by William Bramley and Stargate Conspiracy by Picknet and Prince.

Gods of Eden looks totally cool. i love the second half of Stargate Conspiracy -- and, i think i put him off of the whole book b/c i grumbled so much about the first half of the book. now i can't remember what annoyed me about the first half of the book.

[nashvillebrook]

what's your suggestion wrt to Marrs -- i might give him another shot. I think I have Alien Agenda in my collection. i've had psi-spies and rise of the 4th Reich in my shopping cart many times, and haven't pulled the trigger.

Well, actually the books I would suggest are Alien Agenda, Rule by Secrecy and The Rise of the Fourth Reich. Actually those are the only ones I have read, so I probably shouldn't suggest anything else. The reason I think he is good, I mean I haven't established him as a disinfo person, but I don't think he has the gravitas of a Peter Dale Scott, Richard Dolan, or perhaps even a Michael C. Ruppert IMO -- but then again few do. I think he's good b/c as I said he'd be a good intro to rig-int material I think. Exactly what you asked, haha. I mean those three books get into so many different theories that are out there. You sound like you have more knowledge already than the OP would suggest, but I can't imagine there still wouldn't be a wealth of new stuff there.

Maybe I'm easily sucked in by people that "seem smart". It's not that Marrs isn't smart (though he has that "everyman feel" when I've heard him interviewed, don't know if it's the Texas accent or what), actually I think he definitely entertains some spurious stuff. Makes for interesting reading, but I haven't leapt to some of the conclusions that he seems to have. Well, like at the end of Rule by Secrecy he talks a lot about the Annunaki, and that part of the book kind of threw me. I mean I consider them to be mythical... And I can't recall what his sources were (I assume Sitchin). Michael Heiser Phd in Semitic languages has a website up criticizing Sitchin: http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/.

Since I've only read The 12th Planet by Sitchin, I don't really know what Sitchin thinks the Annunaki have done in human history. Other than, of course, they came here for mining and genetically engineered the species (according to him). So everything Marrs attributes to the Annunaki, I don't think is very serious.

I will check out Rule By Secrecy, then!

with Sitchin, after i read the 12th Planet, i read a couple other of his books and they were pretty repetitive of the 12th material.

[Jeff]

I'd like to add The Trickster and the Paranormal by George P Hansen to the list. (Its introduction can be read here.) Hansen may be best read after Vallee, whose writing is perhaps more accessible. Still, it's a marvelous work of intelligence and creative tension, respecting without credulity the fact of High Strangeness, while also seriously studying its counterfeit, and the significance of both to covert agencies.

For parapolitics, perhaps Hopsicker's Welcome to Terrorland, for a strong jolt of I never knew that - Why didn't I know that?

[stefano]

Hopsicker's Welcome to Terrorland

Is that book well-sourced, Jeff?

[Stephen Morgan]

Hopsicker's Welcome to Terrorland

Is that book well-sourced, Jeff?

Is it not?

[Jeff]

Hopsicker's Welcome to Terrorland

Is that book well-sourced, Jeff?

The edition I have contains a significant appendix of supporting documents.

[Jeff]

BTW,

The first volume of Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State is pretty flawless. His subsequent career, much less so.

Thanks, someone needed to say that.