Cryptome founder:"Wikileaks is a fraud"

[slimmouse]

OK where should humanity be heading and how does what wikileaks does take us away from that?

Humanity desperately need to head towards a common understanding of how the game is played. Humanity need to quickly grasp where we are actually heading . A Global supertech fascist system, evolving in front of our own eyes as we speak.

I dont see much evidence of anything within the Wikileaks data explaining too much of this. Rather I see it evidenced in the reaction to wikileaks. Unfortuneately many of those people who have long been spreading the message of precisely where we're heading have been continuously decried by virtually all - remarkably even by many on here.

So, where should we be heading ?

The first step in overturning this simulation is to become conscious of the simulation itself. Get used to perceiving mediaplex hype as exoteric pawn shuffling; irrelevant and deceitful, regardless of data veracity

Otherwise, when the system turns the ‘two minutes of hate’ against itself, when sufficient spleen has been vented, when the human batteries are empty, the game-rules gearshift to the next level but the song remains the same.


Once enough people understand this, then real change might happen.

[Plutonia]

The first step in overturning this simulation is to become conscious of the simulation itself. Get used to perceiving mediaplex hype as exoteric pawn shuffling; irrelevant and deceitful, regardless of data veracity

Otherwise, when the system turns the ‘two minutes of hate’ against itself, when sufficient spleen has been vented, when the human batteries are empty, the game-rules gearshift to the next level but the song remains the same.


Once enough people understand this, then real change might happen.

WTF? No really, WTF??

And BTW:

"I'm a member of WikiLeaks. I'm an insider of WikiLeaks. I'm a devotee of WikiLeaks. I'm a critic of WikiLeaks," he said. "My current shtick is to pretend that I am an opponent of WikiLeaks. It's called friendly opposition. Praising each other is so insipid. Your parents praise you. Your friends never do. They know it's a con job, so praise is manipulation. Criticism is more candid. [Assange] hasn't returned the favor." Link

[Joe Hillshoist]

Humanity desperately need to head towards a common understanding of how the game is played. Humanity need to quickly grasp where we are actually heading . A Global supertech fascist system, evolving in front of our own eyes as we speak.

Really do you think the majority of people here, and far more round the world than we probably realise, don't know that?

The first step in overturning this simulation is to become conscious of the simulation itself. Get used to perceiving mediaplex hype as exoteric pawn shuffling; irrelevant and deceitful, regardless of data veracity

Yeah, but what happens when you need the data and it is useful and accurate? Sure the global media circus is decietful, but it isn't irrelevent. Its actually useful, and for that matter so is wikileaks or, if you put your mind to it any so called psy op. And by useful I mean it makes power (being able to get stuff done) available to more people.

[Nordic]

Humanity desperately need to head towards a common understanding of how the game is played. Humanity need to quickly grasp where we are actually heading . A Global supertech fascist system, evolving in front of our own eyes as we speak.

I dont see much evidence of anything within the Wikileaks data explaining too much of this. Rather I see it evidenced in the reaction to wikileaks.

Ain't that the truth!

Their reaction is so over-the-top, so out of line, so stupid and wrong and hyperbolic, that they're tipping their hand, hell not just tipping it but throwing their cards in our face!

The Vice President of the United States, supposedly a "Democrat" calls this guy a "terrorist"? Do words not mean ANYTHING any more?

It's unreal, the reaction to this. It's like the vampires when someone opens a window and lets the sun shine in. It's violent and ugly to watch and possibly dangerous.

But oh so revealing.

(or is it? I was thinking for a while that the reaction could be part of the con, but it's really getting out of control and seems to have no organization to it. It's sputtering and nonsense and ranting and hysterical. It's just plain bizarre, too bizarre and irrational to be scripted methinks).

[JackRiddler]

Their reaction is so over-the-top, so out of line, so stupid and wrong and hyperbolic, that they're tipping their hand, hell not just tipping it but throwing their cards in our face!

The Vice President of the United States, supposedly a "Democrat" calls this guy a "terrorist"? Do words not mean ANYTHING any more?

It's unreal, the reaction to this. It's like the vampires when someone opens a window and lets the sun shine in. It's violent and ugly to watch and possibly dangerous.

But oh so revealing.

(or is it? I was thinking for a while that the reaction could be part of the con, but it's really getting out of control and seems to have no organization to it. It's sputtering and nonsense and ranting and hysterical. It's just plain bizarre, too bizarre and irrational to be scripted methinks).

Nordic: A reaction this widespread, uniform and hysterical can't be scripted. It can only be produced by the social conditioning and conformity of entire classes. After 9/11 more than any prior event, the US government declared explicit universal authority to enforce its rules globally on an emergency basis in secrecy, without need of reports or justifications to anyone. The whole establishment seethed with conformity to the line. With Iraq in 2003 they showed, we'll launch wars of aggression on our schedule and don't need no stinking allies (we'll take along the ones we paid for!). Now, it doesn't matter that Wikileaks is small, and it wouldn't matter if the cables were as trivial as the corporates like to pretend. The act of releasing the cables with this much in-your-face fanfare (and this much exploitation of institutions at the heart of the system, above all the Internet but also the big media who for all their spin want to have access to the cables) says that people who aren't terrorists and for the most part are not Americans (cheeky!) don't recognize US global authority, claims to secrecy, or solemn rules. The empire's managers can't tolerate this, and they can't stand the exposure of their (current) powerlessness to stop it. It declares their authority null and void. They must lash out, but unlike drone-bombing villagers in Yemen, there's as yet no clear way how to do it that either doesn't work or doesn't have painful consequences in return.

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[lupercal]

Quickie to Nordic and I suppose Jack: the important distinction that keeps getting lost here is between the elected US government represented by Biden, who is overreacting but has a right to (or for you Baraccuda, the executive administration appointed by the elected pres and veep) and the shadow government, i.e., the CIA in league with MI6 and other mil-intel agencies that have been running the show with few interruptions (like the Kennedy and early Carter administrations) since WWII, and probably before.

That's where people keep getting tripped up: yes wikileaks is operated by and for US spooks, but no, they're not identical to the current administration and in fact are actively seeking to undermine its feeble attempts at achieving whatever goals run counter to the MIC, like any measure of peace in the Middle East. Thus Biden and (to give her credit) Clinton's legit hostility.

Another wrinkle that makes the thing tricky is that the interests of the MIC were identical to the "elected" Bush-Cheney administration of 2001-2009 so the dates of the cables are crucial, but in wikileaks discussions are typically absent, obscured (represented as declassification dates for example) or simply ignored. But they're revealing and important to note.

[Plutonia]

yes wikileaks is operated by and for US spooks

Said as fact but once again not a jot of information to back it up.

Dave Winer on Amazon and Apple contracts with US government

2010-12-28

Submitted by GeorgieBC on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 22:35

Dave Winer published an excerpt of a promotional email from Amazon today which he calls "the 800 pound gorilla in the room." It sheds more light on Amazon's officially stated reason for denying service to Wikileaks.

"Government adoption of AWS grew significantly in 2010. The Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board became the first government-wide agency to migrate to a cloud-based environment when it moved Recovery.gov to AWS in March 2010. Today we have nearly 20 government agencies leveraging AWS, and the U.S. federal government continues to be one of our fastest growing customer segments. The U.S. General Services Administration awarded AWS the ability to provide government agencies with cloud services through the government's cloud storefront, Apps.gov. Additional AWS customers include Treasury.gov, the Federal Register 2.0 at the National Archives, the openEI.org project at DoE's National Renewable Energy Lab, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program at USDA, and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory at NASA. The current AWS compliance framework covers FISMA, PCI DSS Level 1, ISO 27001, SAS70 type II, and HIPAA, and we continue to seek certifications and accreditations that make it easier for government agencies to benefit from AWS."

He also references a December 14 post in AppleInsider and points out that Apple banned a Wikileaks app from their store just one week after this article.


The U.S. Army is interested in giving each of its soldiers a smartphone, and may give them a choice between Apple's iPhone or one running Google Android.

Army officials visited Apple's campus in Cupertino, Calif., earlier this year to discuss the company's forthcoming products. The organization has shown interest for some time in embracing Apple's products, with officials in May noting that the "it just works" philosophy of the company caught the Army's eye.

In 2008, it was revealed that the military had employed custom iPods for on-the-spot translating in Iraq. The new method offered soldiers the ability to translate with technology a fraction of the size and cost of the previously utilized technology.

The Army has also used Macs in its IT infrastructure to deter potential hacking attempts, and in 2009 implemented Apple hardware for video surveillance installations. The Mac hardware was selected, officials said, for security purposes.

The best freedom money can buy.

[barracuda]

Latest update from the Bradley Manning Support Network:

1,851 individuals have donated a total $117,451! Another 380 supporters have given $30,001 directly to Bradley's legal trust account. (Updated: 1am PST Dec. 21, 2010)

Bradley Manning's total legal defense will cost about $100,000. We have transferred $80,000 towards that expense so far, are in the process making additional transfers, and are committed to funding the total needed.

[Nordic]

Said as fact but once again not a jot of information to back it up.

Yeah, Lupercal's complete conviction reminds me of HMW's.

Which makes me just want to ignore his arguments.

Just like I do with Hugh.

Which is too bad because there might be something worth looking into there.

[Plutonia]

Which is too bad because there might be something worth looking into there.

Here's some intrepid Wikileaks conspiracy reporting for your listening edification:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... 101221.php

[lupercal]

Which is too bad because there might be something worth looking into there.

When you've got a right-tard mouthpiece extraordinaire like Limbaugh singing its praises at the same time the bobble-heads at DU are lining up to send flowers you can be pretty sure there's something worth looking into there:

RUSH: Everybody is freaking out over this WikiLeaks stuff. . . . I think it's more interesting than the news the networks come up with each and every day. Give me more of this stuff. For example, we have learned that the Saudis, our friends the Saudis, they're all ticked off at us because we won't go take out Iran. Apparently, prior to the big Cairo speech, Obama went over there, met with King Abdullah, and Obama's going on and on and on about how important it is to find peace with the Palestinians and the Israelis. Apparently King Abdullah couldn't care less about any of that. He's worried about Iran and its nukes, and he wants to hear from Obama what we're gonna do about that.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/ ... guest.html

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[Nordic]

Rush is just cherry-picking what he wants his listeners to hear, because he knows they think of him as the ultimate authority. And they do. (I have them in my family).

No real mystery there.

You won't find Rush talking about any of the leaks that don't support his position. And his enthralled flock will never find them for themselves either.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Rush is just cherry-picking what he wants his listeners to hear, because he knows they think of him as the ultimate authority. And they do. (I have them in my family).

No real mystery there.

You won't find Rush talking about any of the leaks that don't support his position. And his enthralled flock will never find them for themselves either.

Yeah, and thats exactly what you'd expect to happen in this case.

In the same way people should check what material gets leaked to wikileaks or cryptome or anywhere, to any journalist or politician. They leakl documents.

What you do with the documents is up to you, but failing to check them if there is something important you are relying on....

Even the unedited video from last year isn't really enough information to make an informed judgement on what happened. Especially for a legal verdict. It'd need to backed up by hearing the witness evidence from all sides.

If wikileaks is legit the US govt (secret or otherwise) is never gonna get rid of it because they will never know when a leak that will benefit them might come along.

Its an open source intelligence project and as such the info it provides could come from anywhere and benefit anyone.

[slimmouse]

Yeah, and thats exactly what you'd expect to happen in this case.

In the same way people should check what material gets leaked to wikileaks or cryptome or anywhere, to any journalist or politician. They leakl documents.

What you do with the documents is up to you, but failing to check them if there is something important you are relying on....

Even the unedited video from last year isn't really enough information to make an informed judgement on what happened. Especially for a legal verdict. It'd need to backed up by hearing the witness evidence from all sides.

If wikileaks is legit the US govt (secret or otherwise) is never gonna get rid of it because they will never know when a leak that will benefit them might come along.

Its an open source intelligence project and as such the info it provides could come from anywhere and benefit anyone.

In other words Joe, its just more open source noise, that due to the spins that can be placed on it by the reptiles who hold all the aces , is merely another easily containable source of spleen venting for us proles ?

And when its all over the game has been ratcheted up another level ?

Plutonia ? Mr Riddler ? Mr Pilger ? Anyone ?

[lupercal]

In other words Joe, its just more open source noise, that due to the spins that can be placed on it by the reptiles who hold all the aces , is merely another easily containable source of spleen venting for us proles ?

And when its all over the game has been ratcheted up another level ?

Plutonia ? Mr Riddler ? Mr Pilger ? Anyone ?

Exactly. Unfortunately Joe there's nothing remotely "open source" about any of this except in the fantasies shills keep pumping out and suckers keep posting in places like this.