JackRiddler wrote:beeline wrote:We're going to need a Coincidence-Theorist Guide to the Gifford Shooting thread
As you like, but let's remember that "The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11," the post that more than any other put Jeff and RI on the Web map (and which probably was what first attracted a goodly number of the current members to this place), did not play games with numbers or homonyms, but stuck to factual assertions of the kind allowable (at least, as rebuttable presumptions) in building an empirical, circumstantial case against the official story of 9/11 in a conventional academic setting, or even, potentially, in a court.
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2 ... o-911.html
Given how often the political events with the greatest impact on discourse and the greatest consequences in law and policy are, in fact, stage-managed as covert ops or psyops, I lean prima facie to questioning anything that leaves a big media footprint. (You can find posts of mine before the election saying that events that push discourse away from right-wing blah blah about "Obama the Socialist Tyrant" and toward talk of unity and civility that favors Obama would not happen before the election, but were likely in 2011.)
However, in the end, there's no denying most single events happen without hidden stage management (although never just out of the blue, always in a developmental context). The Giffords shooting is no surprise after many months in which the omnipresent right-wing noise machine has blasted out incitements for macho-hero-loner-patriot-men to kill the traitorous liberals who are taking away the ultimate holies, Your Dollar and Your Gun. Giffords pointed out that she was already the frequent target of vandalism and threats, and obviously her office was worried about Loughner in particular given our little find about the Youtube subscription. Nothing about the circumstances of the incident itself arouses suspicion of stage management. (Where's his bag? Come on, do you want instant access to evidence pics from the cops? You're seriously going to compare this to the WTC black boxes?!) He stepped up to her, shot her in the head, emptied an extended clip from an automatic into the crowd, killing a young girl, and was then jumped and overpowered before he could reload. Sounds like something that would take less than a minute.
As for how Loughner may have come to be, that's a different matter.
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I think people mean an esoteric coincidence guide. Because unlike 9/11, the "evidence/facts" are of more of a Lincoln/JFK sync type. And let's face it, life is stranger than fiction...these actions so hidden now, that rather mattering or not, these esoteric interpretations and coincidences may be all there is to go on. And that's not to take away from real mental health issues.
But I definitely find the symbolism rather striking.
I DO think the 9/11 coincidence guide needs a major major overhaul. I mean we now know that top al Qaeda and 9/11 operative Anwar Awlaki was MEETING with at the Pentagon a few months after the event.
The FBI's own FOIA released timeline shows that the hijackers had their credit cards paid for by secret benefactors, and some of these cards were still in use even after 9/11. We now know that the hijackers may have had accomplices INSIDE of the four airports, preplanting knives and guns on board. We know that the hijackers had men in their hotel rooms telling housekeepers to go away AS the attacks were happening.
We now know just how extensive the Saudi Government involvement in 9/11 was. We know more about the Ptech-al Qadi-Care Intl-Logan Furniture-al Kifah Refugee Center-Boston connection stretching back to WTC 1993 and the 80's Mujahadeen. We know more about Mujahid Minepta/Melvin Lattimore's connection to WTC 93, OKC 95 and 9/11. We know more about the Israeli art students involvement in the avant garde "WTC 2000 prank" and the fact they were living next to Hezbollah funding Infocom in Dallas and near one of the hijackers in Floria where the other DEA/Israeli spies were.
In fact we know a hell of a lot more about the Israel agent connection, the Hollywood Florida safehouses, the "white vans" driving around NYC and NJ on 9/11. The Sudan plot/Bush plot in Sarasota Florida the morning of 9/11. We know that some of the hijackers were at the same Madrid hotel as FBI Agent John O'neil in march 2001 for an anti terror conference. We know that one of the top Saudi officials was at the same hotel the night before 9/11 where some of the hijackers were...and that neighbors in Falls Church Virginia, Vienna Virginia and San Diego CA describing seeing fancy cars with Arab officials regularly visiting the hijackers.
We know the hijackers rented a house from the Sun Tabloid anthrax victims months before the anthrax attack first happened in florida.
I've spent years researching the event stretching back to the 80's, and sadly a lot of "9/11 Truth" doesn't seem to know about any of this, or at least makes no mention other than the physical anomaly stuff.
lyrimal wrote:
Secondly, and less informing, although I was aware that Loughener is 22 years of age, I hadn't realized he was born on 09/10/88. So while Christina Green was born into a low, dishonest decade (hat tip), Jared Loughener turned 13 the day before. Our post-9/11 world greeted him at 'manhood' rather than infancy.
Interesting. I've long always mentioned to friends how "1988" is my absolute favorite year(my one friend says I have an obsession with that year, ha)
