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Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:40 am

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Thats a good one hey.

Thanks again for posting all nite. Still hoping Alice and family are OK.

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np, was having fun. – it's practically an analysis.

now, though, with tanks on the street, the snap evacuation of US, Israeli and Turkish citizens, and mil deployment in Sinai etc., it seems that war may be coming to the Nile.



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...Among the tweets from Comrade Hossam:

The army in Tahrir r useless pieces of shit. They r not "protecting" the demonstrators as they were claiming.

The shootings around Lazoughli and the snipers firing at protesters yesterday happened as the army sat and watch.

WE DO NOT WANT THE ARMY! THE ARMY HAS BEEN RULING SINCE 1952. THEY R NOT NEUTRAL PLAYERS.

The curfew the army imposed is meaningless. We break it every night by continuing our protests in Tahrir.

MB activists were denounced by protesters around Lazoughli yesterday when they tried to stop people from marching on interior ministry


And especially these:

Demonstrations continue in all Egyptian cities. People do not want Omar Suleiman. People want to see Mubarak on trial.

Demonstrations continue in all Egyptian cities. People do not want Omar Suleiman. People want to see Mubarak on trial.

The Popular Committees hold the seeds for what direct democracy could look like in the future. We need to focus on them instead of BARADIE!


http://twitter.com/3arabawy

See this is "teh CIA iz everywhere" in action, now, when events are in motion and things are underway. They are trying to grab control however they can. What have you heard about the people's "popular committees"? Not a whole lot I bet.

The last thing the "state" needs (and The States for that matter) is a population who can get shit done for themselves. The popular committees won't make the news till they have to cos it defeats the myth about people needing government from above.


international diplomatic chatter is insistent on "a smooth transition" meaning everyone wants the regime to remain in place: they may drop Mubarak but they are not going to let this pass. the crackdown is coming – seems to me.

hope A's safe.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:21 am

the crackdown is coming – seems to me.


That seems to be the vibe on twitter, but then thats what it was yesterday too and nothing happened. I think the military may be out of control, otherwise the crackdown might have already come.

I'm with Hossam tho - don't trust the military.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby hava1 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:34 am

Nothing very interesting in Israeli MSM. Offical support of Mubarak is the news, perhaps. (especially in contrast to the Liberman warmongering in the past),

Concern grows re Gaza-Rafah passage, rumours that militants who escaped the prisons entered gaza again, some Hammasniks as well.

There is, though, public support of the Popular sentiment of the protesting crowds and a lot of envy as the Israelis cannot mobilize against their tyrants/oligarchs.

A new "spin" kind of traveling in the left leaning blogs, that it was the Israeli example that inspired Tunisians and Egyptians (namely, the charges against - acting PM Olmert, Acting president Katzav, acting ministers and so forth) to rise against their corrupt regimes. ahem...another Blog hype - this is the fall of the American Empire in the ME, that can lead quickly to the annihilation of Israel.

Yoav Karni,kind of the official liberal journo (Globes), thinks that Israeli gov is like the SOviet regime months before the fall in the 1991-2 era, blind to their blindness, and hanging to their privileges.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:37 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
the crackdown is coming – seems to me.


That seems to be the vibe on twitter, but then thats what it was yesterday too and nothing happened. I think the military may be out of control, otherwise the crackdown might have already come.

I'm with Hossam tho - don't trust the military.


neither do i, bro. that's part of what drives my momentary bout of "pessimism".

on AJ yesterday, a human rights activist was telling the viewers about some of the reactions to the mil jets buzzing the crowd. one of his friends said, "what, are we under occupation?"

in my view, Egypt has been under covert occupation (occupation by proxy) for decades, and one way this might pan out is that the covert occupation becomes overt. – i saw no point in them shutting down AJ's offices yesterday. they want Egypt shut off. this might just be a lull. – the fact that tanks entered Cairo only yesterday doesn't mean much other than that they just got there yesterday, but were deployed along with all other troops friday. – and as i posted earlier in the thread, there are US troops in Sinai.

as for control over the army, should they not have complete control of the entire army a civil war is also a possible outcome.

i don't know, man. i get the feeling this is going to turn bloody soon. hope i'm very very wrong.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:42 am

this from yesterday.

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All eyes on Egypt's military as Hosni Mubarak fortifies position
Army has played leading role in managing events and may well determine next stage of crisis

Ian Black, Middle East editor
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 30 January 2011 20.00 GMT

Hosni Mubarak sought to boost his battered image as Egypt's leader today, flaunting the support of the armed forces, whose loyalty he will need to retain if he is to survive in office.

The embattled president was shown on state TV visiting an army operations centre, listening to briefings as if directing a battle and flanked by his new deputy, Omar Suleiman, and defence minister, Mohamed Hussein Tantawi.

With protesters and opposition parties demanding Mubarak's immediate departure, he is showing his instinctive reliance on the military, backbone of the Egyptian regime since Gamal Abdel Nasser and his fellow "free officers" overthrew the monarchy in the 1952 revolution.

Since troops were deployed in Cairo on Friday, the army has played a leading role in managing events and may well determine the next stage of the crisis
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Mubarak's key move has been the appointment of Suleiman, his veteran intelligence chief, as vice-president, and Ahmed Shafiq, formerly minister of aviation and commander of the air force, as prime minister.

Neither ordinary people nor commentators were impressed by what looked like the shuffling of a familiar pack. "The appointments show that the regime isn't serious about real, meaningful reform," Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Centre told al-Jazeera. "If you were serious about democracy, would you appoint the chief of intelligence as your vice-president?"

Crowds gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square chanted: "Hosni Mubarak, Omar Suleiman, both of you are agents of the Americans."

Still, the army remains relatively popular with Egyptians – certainly far more than the interior ministry's security and riot control units. Troops have been guarding key main installations since police lost control of the streets, but they have failed to enforce the curfew and have often fraternised with protesters rather than confronting them.

Suleiman and Tantawi are untouched by the taint of corruption and personal wealth that attaches to, unlike many in power. Suleiman, 74, is seen as fiercely loyal to Mubarak and has been intimately involved in the most sensitive issues of Egypt's national security and foreign policy for nearly 20 years. In 1995, two years after taking over Egypt's General Intelligence Service, he saved the president's life during an assassination attempt in Ethiopia.

He was also instrumental in defeating the insurrection mounted by Egyptian armed groups such as Islamic Jihad. In recent years, one of Suleiman's biggest preoccupations has been dealing with the volatile Palestinian file, mediating between the western-backed Fatah movement and the Islamists of Hamas – a group with special resonance in Egypt because of its control of the Gaza Strip and its links to the Muslim Brotherhood. He has also been involved in mediation attempts between rebels and the government in Yemen.

Analysts speculate that one possibility for the next step in Egypt is that the US, now calling for "an orderly transition" in response to the crisis, could try to persuade the generals that Mubarak should step down and allow political reforms to begin. The chief of staff, Sami Enan, returned at the weekend from a visit to Washington. US military aid has been a crucial asset to the regime since Egypt's 1979 peace treaty with Israel.

Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke with Enan by telephone yesterday and praised the "professionalism" of Egypt's military.

However, diplomats said there was no sign that senior military men in Cairo are preparing to ditch the president
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Observers note that it was Tunisian generals who persuaded Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali to flee into exile this month after weeks of unrest.

When Mohamed ElBaradei announced that he had been delegated by opposition groups to discuss the formation of a national salvation government, he said that he would "be in touch soon with the army," adding pointedly: "The army is part of Egypt."

The military, however, will be suspicious of the influence of the outlawed but semi-tolerated Muslim Brotherhood, which has been keeping a low profile in the protests so far but has now indicated that it is supporting ElBaradei.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:51 am

more on the above.

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Egypt's military shows its strength, not its hand

Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 31, 2011

CAIRO - The Egyptian military moved on multiple fronts Sunday to display its strength and consolidate support as factions within the government and on the street vied for control of this strategically vital nation at the heart of the Arab world.

With pro-democracy demonstrators demanding the resignation of President Hosni Mubarak for a sixth day, the military sent conflicting signals about where its loyalties lie. On the streets, soldiers curried favor with demonstrators. But F-16 fighter jets streaked through the sky, and in images on state-run television, the nation's military brass appeared alongside the embattled president.

All across Egypt, troops in tanks fanned out to work with residents in chasing down marauding bands of knife-wielding thugs and to impose some semblance of order after the nearly complete disappearance of uniformed Egyptian police.

Egyptians of all political persuasions accused the much-maligned police of being behind a campaign to terrorize the country - either by perpetrating the violence themselves or by standing aside and allowing it to occur.

As hatred toward the police grew, so did admiration for the army - which may be the intent of Egypt's security establishment as it struggles to find a way out of the crisis. The apparently contradictory signals from the army suggested that the question of who will rule Egypt remains very much in doubt, nearly a week after protesters turned this country's political universe upside down with a mass mobilization that appears to be growing stronger.

Attempts to organize

Opposition leaders gathered Sunday to try to organize their efforts, and they tentatively settled on pro-democracy activist and Nobel laureate Mohamed ElBaradei as their interim leader in any negotiations with the government. Baradei told reporters that he has the "popular and political support'' necessary to begin the process of forming a unity government and that he would be seeking contact with the army to discuss a political transition.

But Baradei received only a lukewarm reception when he spoke later Sunday at Tahrir Square, the capital city's central plaza, and protesters said they would rather continue to operate as a diffuse people's movement than as an organized opposition. Thousands of protesters who marched peacefully under military protection vowed to stay in the square until Mubarak resigns from office.

At one point in the early afternoon, protesters and soldiers worked together to beat back two Interior Ministry vehicles that attempted to enter the site. An army commander then scaled his tank and announced to the crowd that the Interior Ministry had deployed thousands of armed men who were bent on sowing chaos in Egypt. The army, he said, "would stand with the people." The commander, dressed in camouflage battle fatigues, was cheered by the crowd and kissed on the cheek by demonstrators, who chanted, "The army and the people are one!"

That sentiment, however, was not matched by images broadcast on state television that featured the 82-year-old Mubarak alongside the military and intelligence chiefs, as well as the defense minister. In a possible indication of an ongoing power struggle, the interior minister did not appear to be present.

The army is believed to have the power to topple Mubarak if it chooses, but so far it has not done so, which may mean its gestures of solidarity with the protesters are meant only to placate the movement as the president engineers a succession plan. On Saturday, Mubarak announced that Omar Suleiman would be his vice president, making the intelligence chief the most likely possible heir to authority in a country where power typically passes from one strongman to the next.

Demonstrators are cautiously optimistic that the armed forces are on their side, but they also know that Mubarak is a former military officer who has enjoyed unbroken backing from the army for the nearly 30 years he has reigned.

Protesters on Sunday held aloft a banner reading, "The army must choose between Egypt and Mubarak." When in the late afternoon the air force dispatched the fighter jets to sweep low over Tahrir Square - their engines booming as they passed - the crowd's reaction reflected the confusion of the moment: Some protesters cheered what they saw as a show of support for their cause, while others cursed an attempt at intimidation.

Protesters have been resolute in insisting they will not accept Mubarak or any other member of the president's inner circle as their leader. The demonstrators, who proudly assert that they answer to no individual or organization, have demanded fair and free national elections to choose Egypt's president. Egyptians have never had such a choice, and a move toward democracy in this nation of 80 million would have deep reverberations across a region traditionally led by unelected autocrats.

Protesters on Sunday called on the United States to openly embrace their cause, with many saying they believed that Mubarak's ability to stay in office would hinge on whether he continues to enjoy backing from Washington.

"We want to be like America. We want to choose our president," said Mohammed el-Rady, a 32-year-old accountant who works for the government but was nonetheless on the streets protesting against the president. "This movement is not about Islam. It's not about religion. It's about people who have been suffering for 30 years who want democracy."

El-Rady, like many Egyptians interviewed Sunday, said he had seen police officers who had shed their uniforms engage in looting and vandalism overnight.

At the clothing retailer Benetton in one of Cairo's upscale shopping districts, Mustafa Abd el-Latif said he and fellow vigilantes nabbed a thief who had smashed the front window and was trying to get away with a bag of sweaters.

"We caught him and we were going to kill him, and then we saw his police ID," Latif said.

State-run television broadcast images of hundreds of what it described as looters who had been rounded up for arrest by the army Sunday.

Prisoners freed from jail

But even as the army was making arrests, the police were apparently letting criminals go. At a jail outside Cairo, thousands of prisoners escaped after police abandoned their posts, according to multiple reports. Egyptians interviewed about the jailbreak said they believed the Interior Ministry had deliberately allowed the criminals to go free so that the police can later justify a vicious crackdown to restore order.

Late Sunday, state television announced that police would be back on the streets Monday and that a curfew that had been universally ignored since Friday would again come into effect.

Egypt remained very much a country in crisis Sunday, as families mourned the loss of the more than 100 people killed by police in clashes last week. Schools and the stock market were closed. Internet connections were down for a third consecutive day, and for the first time Egyptian authorities moved to shut down the operations of al-Jazeera, the Arabic-language broadcaster whose reports have stirred unease in regional capitals.

Late into the evening, rumors ran rampant.

At one point in Tahrir Square, a report circulated among the crowd that Mubarak had resigned the presidency and fled the country. Almost as one, thousands of people began to jump up and down in triumph, shouting, "He's gone!" Atop tanks, soldiers and protesters embraced.

But just as quickly as the news had spread, a second rumor emerged - this one apparently true: Mubarak was still the president.

The crowd quieted momentarily, and then began to march again.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04056.html

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:52 am

now this.

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Al-Jazeera appeals for social media help in Egypt

(AP) – 1 hour ago

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The pan-Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera is calling out for help from Egyptian bloggers and others after authorities closed its Cairo office amid unprecedented anti-state protests.

A statement by the Qatar-based network urges Egyptians to send blog posts, eyewitness accounts and videos to expand coverage of the uprising against President Hosni Mubarak.

Monday's appeal comes a day after Egyptian authorities shut Al-Jazeera's office, complaining its round-the-clock coverage was slanted toward protesters and could encourage more unrest.

Al-Jazeera denounced the move as an attempt to muzzle open reporting. It has managed to continue coverage in Egypt with fixed-position cameras and reports by phone.

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Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:10 am

AJ now referring only to "our correspondent on the ground", not giving out their names "for their own safety".

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:25 am

Suleiman played a key role in the US Government’s illegal rendition program. The central nature of his role in the rendition program and the “investigation” and “prosecution” of detainees sent to Egypt under the program is discussed in a Wikileaks cable from 2005:

General Soliman’s stature and power in the Egyptian establishment, and his history of close cooperation with the USG on counterterrorism, corroborate the Egyptian intent take responsibility for the detainees in such a way that protects both U.S. and Egyptian security interests.

As the cable shows, Habib was only one of many men subjected to kidnapping and torture by the US Government and its allies. Worse, Habib’s experience is only one of many thousands in Mubarak’s Egypt, where torture has been described as “widespread and persistent” and an “epidemic”.


http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/01/31/mub ... onnection/

http://213.251.145.96/cable/2005/08/05CAIRO5924.html
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Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:56 am

Israel braces for 'new Middle East'
Israelis are watching events in Egypt with uncertainty as they debate how they will impact regional politics.

Mya Guarnieri Last Modified: 31 Jan 2011 08:38 GMT

As massive protests rocked neighbouring Egypt, the Sunday edition of a popular Hebrew-language daily announced the arrival of "the New Middle East". While most Israelis are not ready to make such bold claims, they are keeping a close eye on Egypt, watching with a mixture of excitement, admiration, uncertainty and fear.

It is widely understood here that a change of guard in Egypt could bring about a seismic shift in regional politics - and some worry that this might upend the uneasy peace between Israel and Egypt, never mind the treaty that the two signed in 1979 - so it is unsurprising that few Israelis are indifferent.

But interviews revealed something shocking: Some Jewish Israelis, fed up with the stalled peace process and frustrated with the status quo, said that they hope to see an uprising similar to Egypt's sweep through their own country.

Amongst them is a 33-year-old Jewish Israeli woman who lives in Tel Aviv and works in education. When asked if anti-government protests - which began in Tunisia and have spread to Egypt, Jordan and Yemen - might erupt here, she answered: "We're far from it. And I say this in happiness and sadness."

She explained that watching events unfold in Tunisia made her value Israel's stability. But, she added, "I think the appropriate thing here would be a revolution."

Why?

What the interviewee calls Israel's "hidden dictatorships" - political wheeling and dealing that gives the religious right a disproportionate amount of power and allows the Jewish settlers to keep on building illegally.

Rita, a 38-year-old housewife who asked to be identified by a pseudonym, remarked of Egypt's protests: "I wish that we had people that would go out to the streets like that."

'God will protect us'

But these women are, admittedly, part of the minority.

Speaking of the unrest in Egypt, Ron Chayek, a 35-year-old website manager, said: "What do I care if they're dying or killed?"

"The only problem it's going to give us is [in regards to] peace. But, otherwise, let them kill themselves."

Unlike interviewees who fear that a new government in Egypt might mean a new war for Israel, Chayek is not concerned. "You look in the sky," he said, pointing up, "and I'm speaking 100 per cent serious. He's going to take care of us."

Chayek, who seems proud that he served in the Givati Brigade, an infantry unit that was active in the Gaza Strip during Cast Lead, added: "They've attacked us many times before, the Arabs, and we've managed to defend ourselves. God protects all the time - God and the army.

"I'm not worried at all. If the people in Egypt want to kill themselves," he shrugged. "You write in Al Jazeera that Ron Chayek said 'a good Arab is a dead Arab'."

End of an era

Meir Nabat, the 53-year-old owner of a restaurant equipment store and an enthusiastic Al Jazeera fan, felt a deep sympathy for the Egyptians.

"It's a pity that the people are dying," he said, adding: "I hope that there will be a change to their benefit ... I hope that there will be democracy."

While some Israelis have expressed concern that extremist groups could use the unrest in Egypt as an opportunity to seize control of the country, Nabat remarked: "I think the young guys with Twitter and Facebook won't let it happen. They aren't suckers."

Nabat doubted that Israel would see protests like those in Egypt. Both Jewish Israelis and Palestinian citizens of the state are too comfortable financially, he said. "But in Jordan, yes, because it's a domino effect."

What about the West Bank? Might the Palestinians rise up against the Palestinian Authority? And, by extension, the Israeli occupation?

Eyal Zisser, the head of Tel Aviv University's Department of Middle Eastern and African History, answered: "I don't know. It's a good question and I have no answer for that."

What Zisser and a slew of Israeli op-ed writers seemed certain of, however, is that the protests signal "the end of an era in Israeli-Egyptian relations".

"It will not be the same, no doubt about it. The optimistic way of thinking of it is that it will be much colder," Zisser said, adding that a new regime might sever all ties with Israel.

"We'll have to wait and see."

Mubarak: 'Friend of the West'

A 28-year-old student, who preferred to remain anonymous, is concerned about the unrest in Egypt because the Israeli media tells him that it pleases Iran.

"I read that Iran is supporting the protests in Egypt because in 1979 there were protests like this in Iran and that's how the Islamic government came in," he said. "And I don't think that's what the [Egyptian] protesters want."

"It wouldn't be good for us," he added. "Mubarak is a friend of the Western world."

He emphasised that he trusts the Israeli media only "to a limited extent".

When asked if he is worried that the anti-government protests and unrest could make their way to Israel, the student answered: "It's possible that it will happen but I'm not scared."

Why?

"Because they won't arrive to Tel Aviv," he said, with a laugh.

If there is one feeling that seemed to unite all of Israel's citizens - Jewish and Palestinian - it is uncertainty.

Anat, a 44-year-old woman who works at a toy store in Jaffa (or Yafo), commented that the protests in Egypt are "really scary because what will become of the peace with Egypt? That's what I'm thinking about all the time".

A middle-aged Muslim housewife joined the conversation, adding: "I hope there won't be a mess here. That's all I hope."

'All the people'

A Muslim man who owns a small shop in Jaffa and preferred to remain anonymous, explained that he was speaking not for himself but for "a lot of people who think like me" and are excited about the protests.

"It's not one political party that did it," he remarked. "It's all the people. All the people."

And what about here? Will the people rise?

He laughed. "I don't think so. Even with all the mess here, we have democracy. Yesterday there was a protest in Yafo [Jaffa]," he said, referring to a demonstration against racism in Israel and the growing presence of Jewish settlers in the area.

"Here, it's possible to express what you feel," his wife added. "But there [in Egypt] it was forbidden."

But there is legislation currently making its way through the Knesset that many observers call anti-democratic. And the uncertainty that comes with regional unrest could allow an even more hawkish government to take hold of Israel - threatening what remains of democracy in the state and, perhaps, giving rise eventually to a Mubarak-like regime. Both the security establishment and the local media seem to be doing their best to whip up fear, paving the way for this.

So what do the changes in Egypt mean for Israel?

The husband answered: "Right now, the most important thing is democracy for [the Egyptians]."

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/fe ... 47644.html

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The Syrians are watching
In the tea shops and internet cafes of Damascus, Syrians are asking what events in Egypt may mean for them.
Hugh Macleod Last Modified: 30 Jan 2011 12:47 GMT

In one of Old Damascus' new cafes, text messages buzzed between mobiles in quick succession, drawing woops of joy and thumbs up from astonished Syrians.

Suzan Mubarak, the wife of the Egyptian president, had flown into exile with her son - so the rumours went - driven out of the country by days of unprecedented protest against the 30-year rule of her husband.

The news from Cairo brought a flutter of excitement to this country, founded on principles so similar to Egypt that the two nations were once joined as one.

Like Egypt, Syria has been ruled for decades by a single party, with a security service that maintains an iron grip on its citizens. Both countries have been struggling to reform economies stifled for generations by central control in an effort to curb unemployment among a ballooning youth demographic.

Could the domino effect that spread from the streets of Tunis to Cairo soon hit Damascus?

"Perhaps the Saudis will have to build a whole village for Arab presidents once they run out of villas," joked a taxi driver, wondering if Hosni Mubarak would go the same way as Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, the Tunisian president who flew into exile in Saudi Arabia after street protests brought down his regime.

Through the haze

In a smoky tea shop in central Damascus, the usual babble of conversation was subdued as customers sat quietly but intently watching the TV broadcasting images of flames pouring from Egypt's ruling party's head office, a Soviet-era building much like many of those that house the state institutions in their own capital.

The young waiter, though, was sceptical that real change would come to Egypt. "Mubarak won't go. Why did the Egyptian people wait until now? It's only because of Tunisia. I'd like him to go, but he won't."

Others, though, said the genie was already out of the bottle.

"The most important message is that people can make the change. Before it was always army officers that lead a coup," said Mazen Darwich, whose Syrian Centre for Media, which campaigns for press freedoms in Syria, was closed by authorities soon after opening.

"It may not be tomorrow or a few months but I'm sure it is like dominoes. Before there was always an ideology - pan-Arabism or being an enemy of Israel. But now people are simply looking for their personal freedom, for food, education, a good life. The days of ideology are over."

On Friday evening, as protests in Cairo reached a crescendo, the streets of Damascus were unusually quiet, with many people staying at home to watch the news. Syria's state-run media quoted some news reports from Cairo, but offered no comment or analysis on the situation.

By Saturday morning life had returned to normal with few signs, on the surface at least, that the authorities were concerned about potential unrest.

Socialising by proxy

Online, however, it was a different story. Internet users reported a significant slowdown in the web, with searches for news on Egypt often crashing browsers.

Heavy user traffic could be an explanation but in Syria, where thousands of websites deemed opposed to state interests are blocked and where Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and other social media are banned, authorities denied accusations they had restricted the service to prevent citizens hearing about events in Cairo.

Earlier this week, though, authorities banned programmes that allow access to Facebook Chat from mobile phones, a cheap and easy means of staying in touch that had exploded in popularity among young Syrians.

"People here are suffering much more than Egypt or Tunisia but you don't see it. They keep their mouths shut because they don't want to be locked up for 10 years," said a graduate medical student, surfing the web at an internet cafe.

Sitting next to him, a young lady finished updating her Facebook page and chatting with friends online - one of thousands of young Syrians adept at using proxy servers to get around the official ban on Facebook.

Although internet users must register their names with the cafe on a list that can be collected by the police, when asked if she had any concerns over breaking the ban on Facebook the young woman said all her friends do the same thing.

Indeed, President Bashar al-Assad, who opened Syria up to the internet when he succeeded his late father in 2000, has his own Facebook page.

As much as possible, as much as necessary

Al-Assad has weathered five years of intense US-led pressure against his regime, was driven out of Lebanon over accusations of having killed Rafiq al-Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister, and, as the memoirs of George W Bush, the former US president, revealed, was considered next on America's list for regime change, after the toppling of Iraq's Saddam Hussein.

Today, however, the Iraq war will be remembered as a strategic disaster for the US, it is Syria's ally in Lebanon, Hezbollah, rather than Damascus itself which is set to be accused of involvement in al-Hariri's killing and Syria's allies are back in power in Lebanon.

"What happened in Tunisia and Egypt was not just about hunger, it was about national pride," said Mazen Bilal, the editor of Suria al-Ghad, a political news website familiar with government thinking.

"Syria is another story. Through all the problems it maintained its national stances and its sovereignty and so people are proud of their nation."

Crucially, as well, the government's reform of the economy is maintaining a system of support to alleviate the worst effects of poverty.

"Egypt and Tunisia applied the free market principles, but Syria has not. The government still controls the strategic keys to the economy," said Bilal. "It's even opening up new jobs in the public sector to absorb more workers."

Abdullah Dardari, the deputy prime minister for economic affairs, said five years of reforms had increased incomes above the increase in inflation, with the relative spending power of the poor growing faster than the rich.

One in 10 Syrians live in poverty - but this figure is far below Egypt's rate of some 40 per cent. Official figures in Syria show unemployment fell from over 12 per cent in 2005 to 8.1 per cent in 2009, one per cent lower than the official rate in Egypt, where some analysts put it as high as 25 per cent. Average salaries in Syria have risen to $200 over the past few years, more than double the rate in Egypt.

The government has promised increased spending on social security and training for the out-of-work and aims to curb rapid population growth of 2.45 per cent by raising the minimum age of marriage.

Economist Bassel Kaghadou, writing in the English-language monthly Syria Today, spelled out Syria's cautious approach to reforms: "As much market economy as possible with as much state intervention as necessary."

In recent months, Al-Assad has been criss-crossing eastern Europe, meeting leaders there to outline his vision for a 'Six Seas' Trade bloc, linking the Gulf to the Mediterranean and the Caspian, Black, Adriatic and Red seas, putting Syria at the centre of the regional energy and transportation network.

All across Damascus, symbols of a burgeoning middle class are spreading, from a sleek sandstone shopping mall, home to Costa Coffee and a bright new art gallery, to the Lebanese banks opening sparkling new branches for the first time.

But as the young doctor put it, looking up at the cameras inside the internet cafe: "Everything here is under control, even if it looks open."

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Jeff » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:30 am

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Joe Hillshoist wrote:I'm with Hossam tho - don't trust the military.


neither do i, bro. that's part of what drives my momentary bout of "pessimism".


A revolution that depends upon the sympathy of the armed forces is on shaky ground, even if it's successful. I was optimistic on Friday, expecting Mubarak on a plane by the end of the day. I'm worried now that may have been the last chance to avert civil war.


THE ROVING EYE
Rage, rage against counter-revolution
By Pepe Escobar

Islamophobes of the world, shut up and listen to the sound of people power. Your artificial Middle East dichotomy - it's either "our" dictators or jihadism - was never more than a cheap trick. Political repression, mass unemployment and rising food prices are more lethal than an army of suicide bombers. This is the actual way history is written; a country of 80 million - two-thirds of which born after their dictator came to power in 1981, and no less than the heart of the Arab world - finally shatters the Wall of Fear and crosses to the side of self-respect.

Egypt's neo-Pharaoh Hosni Mubarak threw a curfew; people never left the streets. The police dissolved; citizens themselves organized for security. The tanks rolled in; people kept singing "hand in hand, the army and people are together". This is no think-tank-engineered color revolution, this is not regimented Islamists; this is average Egyptians bearing the national flag, "together, as individuals, in a great co-operative effort to reclaim our country", in the words of Egyptian Nobel prize-winning novelist Ahdaf Soueif.

But then, inevitable as death, counter-revolution reared its weaponized head. Made in USA fighter jets and military helicopters "bravely" flying low over the crowds at Tahrir Square (picture the Mubarak regime as the occupation army in Egypt; and imagine the West's outrage if this was happening in Tehran). Military commanders cozying up on state TV. A threat that made-in-USA tanks in the streets - manned by elite combat troops - would soon mean business (although soldiers told al-Jazeera reporters they would not fire a single bullet). To top it off, "subversive" al-Jazeera abruptly taken off the air.

The Egyptian intifada - among its multiple meanings - smashed to pieces the Western-concocted propaganda drive of "Arabs as terrorists". Now, minds finally decolonized, Arabs are inspiring the whole world, teaching the West how to go about democratic change. And guess what: one does not need "shock and awe", renditions, torture and trillions of Pentagon dollars to make it work! No wonder Washington, Tel Aviv, Riyadh, London or Paris never saw it coming.

We are all Egyptians now. The Latin American virus - bye-bye dictatorships plus arrogant, myopic neo-liberalism - has contaminated the Middle East. First Tunisia. Now Egypt. Next Yemen and possibly Jordan. Soon the House of Saud (no wonder they blamed the Egyptian people for the "riots"). But the Northern African political earthquake of Tunisia 2011 also got its spark from the 2010 mass strikes in Europe - Greece, Italy, France, the United Kingdom. Rage, rage, against political repression, dictatorship, police brutality, out of control food prices, inflation, miserable wages, mass unemployment.

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They won't accept an optical illusion of regime change that ensures continuous "stability". They won't accept being hijacked by the US and Europe and presented with a new puppet. What they want is the shock of the new; a truly sovereign government, no more neo-liberalism, and a new Middle East political order. Expect the counter-revolution to be fierce. And extending way beyond a few bunkers in Cairo.


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EGYPT: Defense Secretary Robert Gates speaks with counterparts in Egypt, Israel about unrest

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates spoke with Egyptian and Israeli counterparts this weekend about Egyptian unrest, Pentagon officials said Sunday.

Gates spoke by telephone to Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, the Egyptian minister of defense, about the situation, said Press Secretary Geoff Morrell. Gates also spoke by phone with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Morrell would not provide details of the conversations.

Adm. Mike Mullen spoke Sunday with Lt. Gen. Sami Enan, the chief of staff of the Egyptian armed forces.

“Gen. Enan gave the chairman an update on events in his country, and the chairman expressed his appreciation for the continued professionalism of the Egyptian military," said Capt. John Kirby, Mullen's spokesman.

Kirby said that in the 10-minute call, "both men reaffirmed their desire to see the partnership between our two militaries continue, and they pledged to stay in touch."
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Camera equipment remains seized after release of six Al Jazeera jounralist who were briefly detained in Cairo.

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Six Al Jazeera English journalists, who were briefly detained in Egypt, have been released, however; their camera equipment remains confiscated by the military.

The move comes a day after Al Jazeera was told to shut down its operations in the country and saw its signal to some parts of the Middle East cut.

Following the arrest of the journalists a spokesman of the channel said Al Jazeera will not be deterred; "If anything, our resolve to get the story has increased."

On Sunday, Al Jazeera expressed its "utter disappointment" with the blockage of its signal on Nilesat.

International press institutes have come out strongly against Egyptian authorities' suppression of the media, following the withdrawal of Al Jazeera's license in Egypt.

Our producer reports from the scene minutes after Egyptian security forces detain six Al Jazeera journalists in Cairo

The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) condemned the information ministry's move to shutdown Al Jazeera’s bureau in the country.

The CPJ described the move as an attempt to "disrupt media coverage by Al Jazeera and calls on them to reverse the decision immediately".

Nilesat, the satellite transmission company owned by Egyptian radio and television stopped the transmission of Al Jazeera's primary channel and others.

Reporters without borders added to the condemnation of Egyptian authorities attempt to quell the media.

"By banning Al Jazeera, the government is trying to limit the circulation of TV footage of the six-day-old wave of protests," Reporters Without Borders secretary-general Jean-François Julliard said.

Protest organisers are calling for a "march of one million" people in Cairo, the Egyptian capital, on Tuesday in an attempt to overthrow Mubarak's rule.

They are also calling for a rolling general strike until the leader, who has been in power for more than 30 years, steps down.

Several hundred demonstrators remained camped out in Tahrir Square in central Cairo overnight, defying a curfew that has been extended by the army.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:15 am

Jeff wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:I'm with Hossam tho - don't trust the military.


neither do i, bro. that's part of what drives my momentary bout of "pessimism".


A revolution that depends upon the sympathy of the armed forces is on shaky ground, even if it's successful. I was optimistic on Friday, expecting Mubarak on a plane by the end of the day. I'm worried now that may have been the last chance to avert civil war.


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endorsed.

new blog post soon? lots of material here, chief.

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