Who are the most respectable conspiracy theorists?

[Col Quisp]

Good one, mother! <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Re: Secret government, CIA, JFK/RFK murders, Bush Crime Family<br>(These are the topics usually obscured with the discrediting term 'conspiracy theory.') <br><br>William Blum <br>Peter Dale Scott<br>Mark Lane<br>Michael Levine<br>Webster Tarpley<br>Gary Webb<br>Charlotte Dennett<br>Gerard Colby<br>.......<br>Steven Kangas<br>John Kelly<br>Daniel Brandt<br>Jim Marrs<br>Mike Ruppert on CIA (whether peak oil is real or not)<br>Wayne Madsen (his outline of the religious right alone is worth it)<br><br>on edit: not sure about Anthony Summers but his biography of Nixon did mention the possibility that Allen Dulles chose him as a protege to keep him quiet about seeing captured Nazi documents damaging to Dulles. Brownie points for the Nazi thing. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 11/23/05 11:51 pm<br></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

I should add Michel Chossudovsky, professor of economics at the University of Ottawa. Coincidentally, his new book, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>America's "War on Terrorism,"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> is being launched <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://globalresearch.ca/globaloutlook/octopus.html">tonight</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. It's a much expanded update of his earlier <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>War and Globalization</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. He has an excellent grasp of the criminality of international finance.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 11/23/05 9:46 pm<br></i>

[yablonsky]

thanks everyone for the suggestions: i have a pet ambition to build a personal library on deep politics and the like but sometimes it's hard to conceptualize how to prioritize purchases.<br><br>i guess Peter Dale Scott should be next for me.<br><br>The first 5 I've got the ball rolling with in the last year (all excellent imho):<br><br>Denton/Morris: The Power & The Money (Vegas from JFK to Lansky to Harry Reid - fwiw my handle is taken from this book)<br>Dan Briody: The Iron Triangle (Carlyle Group from Carlucci to Soros)<br>Hopsicker: Welcome to Terrorland & Barry in the Boys<br>(RI inspired me to go this route when I first came across this site a year ago)<br>Ruppert: Crossing the Rubicon <br><br>I actally haven't read all of Barry & the Boys and I have a question for anyone out there who can answer:<br><br>there is a chapter that has been *physically* removed (chapter 35) for threats of or actual litigation. An insert states:<br><br>"a chapter was removed from this book. free speech is free as long as you have the money to defend it."<br><br>anyone able to fill in the blanks?<br><br>i also read alot of Bearish econ/financial stuff online (the feds recent announcement to discontinue publishing changes to M3 money supply; secular commodities bull market stuff, etc.)<br><br>Jeff's site rocks imo because it broadens the scope of conceivable relevant discourse..people seem to arrive here who at first glance might have very different areas of recreational research and then discover new ways in which things inflect and intersect..(my take anyway)<br><br>thanks RI and all posters<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

Since David Atlee Phillips recently got a mention on the RI site, I thought I'd add Donald Freed's 1980 book <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>A Death In Washington</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, which has a lot of material on David Atlee Phillips's role in the 1973 coup in Chile, as well as drawing connections to the role Phillips likely had in the murder of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Karpen Moffit by <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Lodge P2</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> goons ( Chilean DINA agents aided by Cuban-exile Omega 7 operatives - same difference) on Sept. 21, 1976, on Connecticut Avenue near Sheridan Circle, on Embassy Row in Washington. <br><br>More recently, Freed has risked his credibility with the book <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Missing Time</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, a time-line style treatment of the Nicole Simpson/Ronald Goldman murder case. Freed draws no conclusions of his own. However, he does present what I found to be a persuasive case that whoever is guilty of those murders, the crime scenario as presented to the jury by the prosecution team was deeply flawed and logically improbable. <br><br>( Kindly note that I'm not a fan of multiplying explanations- except when it's necessary to explain the actual events. The simplest and most direct explanation doesn't have more merit if it has to "shoehorn" evidence, or if it contradicts itself. However, I also have to note that I'm far from an expert on this particular murder case, and paid it scant heed during the time that it was being obsessively televised by ever myjor national television network. I think it's a case that deserves a comprehensive work-up, including a comparison and contrast of all of the various book narratives, a comprehensive and throughly detailed timeline that includes any noted discrepancy of accounts, a revisiting of witness accounts and of the uncanny synchronicities connecting some of them, and a re-tracing of any other loose end that seems as if it may vield additional detail. )<br><br>Anyway, I think Donald Freed is a credible author, and that's an opinion I'll hold until someone comes along to discredit his findings and his logic, or to otherwise impeach that credibility. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/23/05 11:51 pm<br></i>

[robertdreed]

Some of the most valuable research I've come across wasn't found by reading other conspiracy researchers- it was found by cross-reading various "mainstream" academic histories, with an eye for telling details. That's more or less the Mae Bressell approach, except that Mae relied more on periodicals and cross-indexing stories in the global press, and not so much on intensive library research- although she did read, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>In Banks We Trust</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> by Penny Lernoux was a particular favorite...a salutory choice. <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

That designation was thought up by the right wing to denigrate all those who did not buy into or fall for 'The Official Version' of whatever crime they were attempting to cover up.<br><br>So we do not answer to 'conspiracy theorist'. I like the designation 'skeptic' as in 'I am a 9/11 skeptic'.<br><br>I have doubted the US's version on just about everything since April 17/18 when they bombed Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan. I felt in my gut that that was a direct order from the madman himself. Still do.<br><br>Some other Official Versions I am skeptical about are:<br><br>Kennedy Assassination (of course)<br><br>1969 Moon Landing<br><br>9/11<br><br>al Zarqawi (black ops figment)<br><br>Osama bin Ladin (CIA asset)<br><br>Flight 587 which crashed into a New York Suburb in December of 2001<br><br>Flight 800<br><br>Paul Wellstone murder<br><br>Challenger explosion (The one over Texas)<br><br>(I am leaning on disbelieving the official version of JFK jr. plane crash)<br><br>The common denominator of all these events is the universally sloppy 'investigation' of all of them. There are certain formalities and processes of a good forensic investigation [such as having an open mind at the outset] which all of these events do not have....it was alway more or less an 'open and shut case'.<br><br>They found what they wanted to find and what suited their agenda...anything else was covered up or lied about.<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

I admit it- I buy the official version of the Moon Landing. Or at any rate, it presently gets a 9.9+ on a scale of 10 with me. <br><br>The other cases are more or less open- including the official description of Osama bin Laden's body height. <br><br> ;'0/;'P <br><br>But in terms of cases that I think are actually amenable to further investigation, I place the suicides of the CIA's Rick Yannuzzi and Enron's Cliff Baxter closer to the top of the pile. Along with that election fraud researcher who was found with slashed wrists in Valdosta, Georgia...and David Kelly...<br><br>Those are all specific cases of suspicious deaths that deserve more light on them. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/23/05 11:55 pm<br></i>

[smiths]

brilliant thread, so much to read, so little time,<br><br>but rdr your first post has dissapeared, could you do it again <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

Yeah, I noticed. <br><br>Things were all going so swimmingly wonderful until I decided to update the Penny Lernoux entry on my list, only to find my entire post disappear, replaced with<br><br>"HTML Comments are not allowed."<br><br>Well, fuck ya then:<br><br>to repeat that list of authors, with more details to follow:<br><br>Peter Dale Scott<br><br>Alfred McCoy<br><br>Jim Hougan<br><br>Michael Levine<br><br>Dennis Bernstein<br><br>Sally Denton <br><br>Roger Morris<br><br>Seymour Hersh<br><br>Dave Emory<br><br>John Judge<br><br>Ray Bonner<br><br>Penny Lernoux <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Lernoux">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Lernoux</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Pete Brewton<br><br>R. T. Naylor<br><br>Hank Messick<br><br>Jonathan Marshall<br><br>Sterling Seagrave<br><br>Simon Strong<br><br>Robert Parry<br><br>George Seldes<br><br>Philip Willan<br><br>That's roughly 90%+ of them. <br><br>Here are a few extras who I didn't include heretofore:<br><br>Henrik Kruger<br><br>Holly Sklar<br><br>Peter Truett<br><br>Larry Gurwin<br><br>Jonathan Kwitny<br><br>Oh yeah, from now on I intend to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>copy every draft</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. And if I see one of those "HTML Comments Not Allowed" scripts erasing one of my comments ever again, I'll turn on the "spam machine", so to speak. Not on this board, on the Internet. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/24/05 12:30 am<br></i>

[robertdreed]

for more details.<br><br>Happy Thanksgiving...I mean that sincerely, especially to my native American brethren and sistern. A shout out, to James Blacksmith of the Lakota...Professor Martha Macri, metis/Cherokee... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/24/05 12:45 am<br></i>

[NewKid]

<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>More recently, Freed has risked his credibility with the book Missing Time, a time-line style treatment of the Nicole Simpson/Ronald Goldman murder case. Freed draws no conclusions of his own. However, he does present what I found to be a persuasive case that whoever is guilty of those murders, the crime scenario as presented to the jury by the prosecution team was deeply flawed and logically improbable. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>I also didn't pay that much attention to it at the time, and assumed it was an easy case with some sloppy police work and inept assistant DA's. <br><br>But I do remember Alex Constantine discussing the O.J. case in at least one of his books (either virtual govt or psychic dictatorship) and if I recall (it was years ago when I read them), he somehow connected it to electromagnetic mind control. The one thing I remember him talking about was one of the jurors being dismissed after she was found in the juror hotel eating glass and staring at static tv screens. I can't really remember what the argument was and the whole thing sounded really far fetched at the time and still does. I can see arguing that the O.J. media spectacle was a form of psyop on the domestic population, but I wasn't clear on what the purpose of EM assault was or who was behind it. <br><br>Anybody know/remember anything about exactly what his thesis was? <br> <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The one thing I remember him talking about was one of the jurors being dismissed after she was found in the juror hotel eating glass and staring at static tv screens.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>When I was a toddler, about 3 years old, I <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>twice</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> tried to eat a glass Christmas ornament and I would spend <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>lots</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> of time staring at TV static. I also tried to jump out a second-story window dressed as Superman, and got quite a buzz when I stuck a finger in an electric outlet.<br><br>Probably nothing related, just weird toddler stuff. <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>When I was a toddler, about 3 years old, I twice tried to eat a glass Christmas ornament and I would spend lots of time staring at TV static. I also tried to jump out a second-story window dressed as Superman, and got quite a buzz when I stuck a finger in an electric outlet.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.dce.harvard.edu/pubs/lamplighter/2000/fall/images/anderson.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><br><br>FourthBase, I'll let the good doctor know. It'll come in handy for your "base programming."<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

Yo, NewKid, there are a plethora of emoticons to choose from in order to express the sarcasm, irony, what-have-you in your posts. Please use at least one.<br><br>I like this one: <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Because if you keep doing that without emoticons or any hint of humor, I'm going to be a little weirded out by you. Seriously. <p></p><i></i>