The first global cyber war has begun

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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:29 am

HBGary INC. working on secret rootkit project. Codename: “MAGENTA”
THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN BY LAURELAI

In the new emails released by Anonymous we discover that HBGary Inc. may have been working on the development of a new type of Windows rootkit that was undetectable and almost impossible to remove.

Crowdleaks.org cannot confirm how far into development this project went. However we do know by looking at the following email that the Magenta Rootkit proposal was forwarded from Greg Hoglund at HBGary to Ray Owen, President of Farallon Research LLC.

From: Greg Hoglund To: Ray.owen@farallon-research.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:29:25 -0800 Subject: Fwd: Magenta Rootkit (for Ray)

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Attachments: MAGENTA.docx (13878 bytes)

Farallon Research LLC is privately held government contractor based in Gatos, CA. Their website offers no insight into who they are or what they do other than an “About Us” page which simply states: “The mission of Farallon Research LLC is to connect advanced commercial technologies and the companies that develop them with the requirements of the U.S. government.”

In the following message we can see that Shawn Bracken, Principal Research Scientist at HBGary, attached and sent the initial Magenta Rootkit proposal to Greg Hoglund.

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Shawn Bracken
Date: Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Subject: Magenta Rootkit (for Ray)
To: Greg Hoglund

G,

Attached is the requested rootkit proposal � let me know what you think.

Cheers,

-SB
Shawn Bracken

Principal Research Scientist
HBGary, Inc.
(916) 459-4727 x 106
shawn@hbgary.com

In the attached word document (MAGENTA.docx) we find:

Description: Magenta would be a new breed of windows based rootkit, which HBGary refers to as a multi-context rootkit. Magenta is a 100% pure assembly language implemented rootkit. The magenta rootkit body is injected into kernel memory via the DriverEntry() partial-load technique. Once loaded into kernel memory, Magenta would automatically identify an active process/thread context to inject itself into via an APC (Asynchronous Procedure Call). Once the APC fires in the new process context, the body of the rootkit will be executed. Finally, At the completion of each APC activation, magenta will move itself to a new location in memory and automatically identify one or more new activation PROCESS/THREAD combination’s to queue one or more additional activation APC’s into.

When Activated, the Magenta rootkit will be capable of searching for and executing imbedded command and control messages by finding them wherever they may exist in physical memory on the compromised host. This is ideal because it’s trivial to remotely seed C&C messages into any networked windows host – even if the host in question has full windows firewalling enabled. The Magenta payload will also contain imbedded capabilities for injecting these C&C payloads directly into user-mode processes. This will allow injectable C&C payloads to be written to perform user-mode tasks on the compromised host.

Key Features:

New breed of rootkit – There isn’t anything like this publicly
Extremely small memory footprint – (4k or less)
Almost impossible to remove from a live running system
o Once the injected Magenta rootkit body is loaded into kernel memory, it will be fire-and-forget. You can delete the original .sys file used to load it if you wish.

o Any physical memory based tools that would allow you to see the current location of Magenta body would only be of limited use since by the time the responder tried to verify his results Magenta will have already moved to a new location & context

Elegant/powerful C&C message system. There is a near endless amount of ways to get a small seeded C&C message into the physical memory of a networked computer even with zero credentials.
Invisible to kernel mode defense components that rely on the PsSetLoadImageNotifyRoutine() notification routine to detect/analyze/block drivers.
o HINT: PsSetLoadImageNotify() callbacks only get called for drivers who returned TRUE in their DriverEntry()

Project Development Phases:
HBGary recommends using at least a two phase project to build out Magenta. In Phase-1 HBGary would build a fully functional prototype for Windows XP – Service Pack 3 (X86). This would allow an end-to-end proof of concept prototype to be developed and demonstrated. Phase-2 would purely consist of porting the Magenta rootkit to all current flavors of Microsoft Windows (x86 & x64)

Crowdleaks.org cannot confirm that the Magenta Rootkit proposal was even accepted but given HBGary’s involvement in Stuxnet research, it’s a chilling proposal that was likely taken seriously by HBgary INC. and probably not the first of its kind.
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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby hanshan » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:38 am

seemslikeadream wrote:
HBGary INC. working on secret rootkit project. Codename: “MAGENTA”
THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN BY LAURELAI

In the new emails released by Anonymous we discover that HBGary Inc. may have been working on the development of a new type of Windows rootkit that was undetectable and almost impossible to remove.

Crowdleaks.org cannot confirm how far into development this project went. However we do know by looking at the following email that the Magenta Rootkit proposal was forwarded from Greg Hoglund at HBGary to Ray Owen, President of Farallon Research LLC.

From: Greg Hoglund To: Ray.owen@farallon-research.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:29:25 -0800 Subject: Fwd: Magenta Rootkit (for Ray)

Full headers
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mime-version: 1.0
received: by 10.147.181.12 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:29:25 -0800 (PST)
in-reply-to: <000001cbae9e$31149790$933dc6b0$@com>
references: <000001cbae9e$31149790$933dc6b0$@com>
date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:29:25 -0800
delivered-to: greg@hbgary.com
message-id:
subject: Fwd: Magenta Rootkit (for Ray)
from: Greg Hoglund
to: Ray.owen@farallon-research.com
content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd3ea788d10dc0499492677
Attachments: MAGENTA.docx (13878 bytes)

Farallon Research LLC is privately held government contractor based in Gatos, CA. Their website offers no insight into who they are or what they do other than an “About Us” page which simply states: “The mission of Farallon Research LLC is to connect advanced commercial technologies and the companies that develop them with the requirements of the U.S. government.”

In the following message we can see that Shawn Bracken, Principal Research Scientist at HBGary, attached and sent the initial Magenta Rootkit proposal to Greg Hoglund.

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Shawn Bracken
Date: Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Subject: Magenta Rootkit (for Ray)
To: Greg Hoglund

G,

Attached is the requested rootkit proposal � let me know what you think.

Cheers,

-SB
Shawn Bracken

Principal Research Scientist
HBGary, Inc.
(916) 459-4727 x 106
shawn@hbgary.com

In the attached word document (MAGENTA.docx) we find:

Description: Magenta would be a new breed of windows based rootkit, which HBGary refers to as a multi-context rootkit. Magenta is a 100% pure assembly language implemented rootkit. The magenta rootkit body is injected into kernel memory via the DriverEntry() partial-load technique. Once loaded into kernel memory, Magenta would automatically identify an active process/thread context to inject itself into via an APC (Asynchronous Procedure Call). Once the APC fires in the new process context, the body of the rootkit will be executed. Finally, At the completion of each APC activation, magenta will move itself to a new location in memory and automatically identify one or more new activation PROCESS/THREAD combination’s to queue one or more additional activation APC’s into.

When Activated, the Magenta rootkit will be capable of searching for and executing imbedded command and control messages by finding them wherever they may exist in physical memory on the compromised host. This is ideal because it’s trivial to remotely seed C&C messages into any networked windows host – even if the host in question has full windows firewalling enabled. The Magenta payload will also contain imbedded capabilities for injecting these C&C payloads directly into user-mode processes. This will allow injectable C&C payloads to be written to perform user-mode tasks on the compromised host.

Key Features:

New breed of rootkit – There isn’t anything like this publicly
Extremely small memory footprint – (4k or less)
Almost impossible to remove from a live running system
o Once the injected Magenta rootkit body is loaded into kernel memory, it will be fire-and-forget. You can delete the original .sys file used to load it if you wish.

o Any physical memory based tools that would allow you to see the current location of Magenta body would only be of limited use since by the time the responder tried to verify his results Magenta will have already moved to a new location & context

Elegant/powerful C&C message system. There is a near endless amount of ways to get a small seeded C&C message into the physical memory of a networked computer even with zero credentials.
Invisible to kernel mode defense components that rely on the PsSetLoadImageNotifyRoutine() notification routine to detect/analyze/block drivers.
o HINT: PsSetLoadImageNotify() callbacks only get called for drivers who returned TRUE in their DriverEntry()

Project Development Phases:
HBGary recommends using at least a two phase project to build out Magenta. In Phase-1 HBGary would build a fully functional prototype for Windows XP – Service Pack 3 (X86). This would allow an end-to-end proof of concept prototype to be developed and demonstrated. Phase-2 would purely consist of porting the Magenta rootkit to all current flavors of Microsoft Windows (x86 & x64)

Crowdleaks.org cannot confirm that the Magenta Rootkit proposal was even accepted but given HBGary’s involvement in Stuxnet research, it’s a chilling proposal that was likely taken seriously by HBgary INC. and probably not the first of its kind.


Mornin' slad

prolly prudent to take these idiots seriously...
& on to the Linux... :mrgreen:


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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Greenwald was interviewed about this yesterday on Dylan Ratigan's internet radio program.

It's well worth a listen, and there's also a full transcript at the link.
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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:33 pm

Plutonia wrote:

[[snipping your great compilation -- but thanks!!!]]

Which brings me back to this Churchill Club panel discussion on Wikileaks with Peter Thiel, from January. Considering the timing, it's worthwhile going back and looking closely at just what Thiel said about Wikileaks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMzEdkiz5tY

In a just world, Peter Thiel would now be about as popular as cancer.


So you finally made me run that, while doing housework today... 1 hour 47 mins, but well worth it. Spectacular! Above all, Ellsberg's summation at the end starting at around 1:40, but also what the thinkware (?) and the CCR lawyer had to say, among others. But I didn't quite see the specific transgression of Thiel to which you refer. He advanced a simplistic, doctrinaire libertarianism in which state and corporation, absurdly, are posited as separate realms in antagonism, instead of as the largely interchangeable heads of an increasingly seamless system of surveillance and control. So he was ready to justify anything Amazon does, whether it was for or against free speech, long as Amazon gets to act in its own interests witout pressure from the state, from whence only bad things and perhaps all bad things come. If Thiel had extended that, we'd hear that Lieberman, acting as enforcer for the national security state in pressuring Amazon to shut down the Wikileaks site, would be equivalent to a state requirement that Amazon not violate the free speech rights of users within its privately-owned public space (in keeping with the exceptional Marsh decision cited by the CCR guy).

But did Thiel say something more incriminating than merely having an unviable and self-serving philosophy of corporatism?

.................................


By the way, I was reminded of the earlier dirty-tricks campaign by O'Keefe and Breitbart against ACORN.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26855

The main Breitbart trick of using deceptively edited video may not be "cyber," but the means of distribution is, of course, the Internet. Like with the HBGary-Palantir-Etc. crime plot, this is a subset of information war with the Web as main battlefield. The psychological principles underlying the tactics haven't changed since the Nixonian dirty tricks campaigns, or for that matter those conducted in Greek antiquity.

& Today I learned that the same form of attack using visits by fake "pimps" is now being employed by the Breitbart organization against Planned Parenthood. (Follow the link, I posted it in the O'Keefe thread.)

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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:59 pm

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Ah!

Now I see what this Thiel really is -- thanks to this post in the Breitbart thread, all the way back on Feb 1, 2010, which I'd clean forgotten:

dbcooper41 wrote:From viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26855&start=45#p317037

SNIP

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... ilmmaker-j

TOPICS Conservative Talking Points Liars
DiggsVillage Voice: 'Independent' Filmmaker James O'Keefe Has A Right-Wing Sugar Daddy
By Susie Madrak Sunday Sep 27, 2009 4:00pm
Imagine that. As I thought, "independent" ACORN filmmaker James O'Keefe has a right-wing sugar daddy - Peter Thiel, one of the founders of PayPal. Via the Village Voice:
James O'Keefe, the activist filmmaker who achieved sudden fame for a series of undercover videos recording ACORN workers, has repeatedly said that he is "absolutely independent" and received no outside funding to make his films.

But the Voice has learned that O'Keefe, in fact, has had heavyweight conservative backers who funded the young filmmaker as recently as a few months before his ACORN films were made.


The ACORN videos are actually just the latest of several films O'Keefe has produced and uploaded to YouTube. An earlier film posted in February, "Taxpayers Clearing House" featured nonwhite, working class people being duped by O'Keefe, who led them to believe they had won money in a sweepstakes.

That video was produced with the help of a grant -- said to be about $30,000 [Thiel's spokesman says closer to $10,000 -- see update] -- from Peter Thiel, one of the founders of PayPal and an early investor in Facebook -- an investment which made him a billionaire. Thiel is one of Silicon Valley's more interesting figures: a gay man (according to Gawker's "Valleywag") who has railed against the evils of "multiculturalism." He lives in San Francisco and today runs a hedge fund.

O'Keefe is now well known as the young man who dressed up as a pimp with a colleague, Townhall.com blogger Hannah Giles, who was dressed like a prostitute. The pair traveled around the country, seeking advice from ACORN workers about how to hide prostitution money for tax purposes. At five of the offices they visited, ACORN workers gave such advice while O'Keefe's hidden camera was rolling. The videos have cost ACORN the support of Congress, the U.S. Census and the White House, and the organization stands to lose tens of millions of dollars in government grants.

O'Keefe, meanwhile, has repeatedly claimed to be financially independent. In an interview with the New York Post shortly after the ACORN videos hit the Internet, O'Keefe claimed to be "absolutely independent." Giles said she had "drained my entire savings" to spend the summer making the undercover videos. O'Keefe estimated his budget at $1,300, and said that Giles had paid for her own plane ticket to California. The couple said they lived off of Power Bars and Subway sandwiches for two months.

But O'Keefe turns out to have a substantial history of being funded by conservative figures.

In February, a video called "Taxpayers Clearing House" was posted to YouTube. In it, O'Keefe and others drive around in a van with a logo on the side that looks like the "Publishers Clearing House" vehicle known for showing up and surprising sweepstakes winners with oversized checks. In O'Keefe's video, working class Blacks are shown jumping up and down in excitement - until they learn that O'Keefe is actually delivering a bill for $28,000, their share of the federal banks bailout.

O'Keefe told a friend, Liz Farkas, that he had approached Thiel with the idea for the video, and had walked away with "approximately $30,000" to produce it.

Farkas told the New York Times this week that she and O'Keefe, who met at Rutgers University, clashed over publishing incomplete transcripts from another sting involving an abortion provider.

Through a representative, Peter Thiel confirmed that he had funded "Taxpayers Clearing House" through a "small-government group," but denied having any involvement with the ACORN videos. The representative says Thiel first learned of the new O'Keefe videos after they hit the Internet, and having "watched them on YouTube...he shares the view that taxpayer money should not promote human trafficking."

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Whan an asshole!

At the time, I'd responded:

JackRiddler wrote:Shock tactics: Knocking at the door of black families with what look like giant sweepstakes checks. Hilarity ensues when they find out they've been duped. For an additional punchline, maybe someone can drop dead of an infarct.

The depth of this asshole seems to have no limits.

BIG PICTURE SO FAR:

CIA campus stations (taxpayer money)
+ neocon thinktank money (tax deductible)
+ "conservative" movement mojo (anti-abortion/Christianist footsoldiers)
+ sense of entitlement and no limits in the means adopted, thanks in part to...
+ the delusion that the "liberals" are waging total war on white men
-------------------------------------
SERIOUS CLUSTERFUCK OF POLITICAL DISRUPTION CELLS AROUND THE COUNTRY

Now contemplate this:
+ removal of all limits on political spending by corporations (thanks to Citizens United)
+ prior removal of accounting regulations on CIA contractors
(dating back at least to 2005, thanks to "War on Terror")
+ recent removal of accounting regulations on banks (due to "Financial Crisis")
--------------------------------------
ON THE WAY TO THE MOST FIXED ELECTION IN HISTORY - 2010

Mr. Paypal-Facebook Billionaire need no longer reach into his own pocket. He can fund these kinds of sick psyop projects through his companies as legitimate business expenses, and assuming he's got the right kind of dispensation thanks to "national security" or "financial crisis," legally do it off the books.

Nixon's CREEPs wouldn't recognize this world. They'd think it was an impossible utopia.


Also...

Second half of Voice article wrote:
From http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... eomake.php

Thiel, who co-runs the Founders Fund, is a hedge fund manager, web entrepreneur and venture capitalist worth $1.2 billion. Fortune magazine referred to him as the "don" of "the Pay Pal Mafia." Thiel is also co-author of The Diversity Myth: 'Multiculturalism' and the Politics of Intolerance at Stanford. He was also co-founding editor of the conservative Stanford Review and was a member of the Federalist Society, the conservative legal circle that has included Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork and Antonin Scalia.

"Is the new consciousness about race, gender, and sexual preference really the antidote to America's problems or a cause of them?" Thiel's book asks in its introduction. Another representative quote: "Multiculturalists like thinking of themselves as victims far too much to want to end their victimization. They need their imaginary oppressors to
give their lives meaning."

Thiel's book does not spare homosexuality. "Much [homosexual] behavior is being conducted in public, for the express purpose of shocking and offending others. The shock is then called 'homophobia' and is used as evidence of the oppression and victimization of homosexuals." The book (published in 1995) argues against Stanford instituting domestic partner benefits, complaining "even in purely economic terms, the costs are substantial...The end result is something of a random scrambling of people into "relationships," all claiming the right to live off of everyone else."

Though Thiel denies directly funding O'Keefe's latest videos, Thiel may have made them financially possible anyway. O'Keefe has, in the past, used support from one project to fuel another.

O'Keefe is a former member of the Leadership Institute, the conservative think tank that has turned out such graduates as Bush strategist Karl Rove, Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed, Senator Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky), Americans for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist, and "Talon News" fake White House blogger Jeff Gannon (real name: James Dale Guckert). The Institute has been involved in setting up conservative newspapers at colleges across the country, and gave O'Keefe a $500 "Balance in Media" grant to begin the Rutgers Centurion in 2005.

On his personal blog (quoted at Daily Kos, O'Keefe has taken the original link down), O'Keefe thanks "LI" for a $4,000 monitor to help him make his movies.

In the same way O'Keefe used equipment from the Leadership Institute to make his future films, he may have made use of Thiel's cash infusion for future projects, too. The "Taxpayers Clearing House" video that Thiel's money made possible was posted just a few months before O'Keefe and Giles set off on their summer adventure. The multiple ACORN videos were shot and produced over the course of more than two months, in San Diego, San Bernardino, Brooklyn, Baltimore and Washington, D.C. (plus an unknown number of other cities, like Philadelphia, where O'Keefe attempted to shoot but the sting failed).

O'Keefe declined to be interviewed by phone for this article, and did not respond to e-mailed questions. But he has not publicly explained how the help he's received from either the Leadership Institute or from Peter Thiel has influenced his filmmaking -- or how they may have made a summer traveling around the country for undercover stings possible.

UPDATE: Thiel's spokesman, James O'Neill, disputes Farkas' estimate of $30,000, saying that Thiel's contribution was only "about $10,000."


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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:10 pm

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Can't decide which of several threads all this stuff should go into!

I mean, I'm posting stuff about HBGary, Thiel, and the new attacks on Planned Parenthood that could fit into any of these:

The first global cyber war has begun
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30523
(Starts Dec 11, 2010 with Anonymous vs. Wikileaks' attackers, and is now into HBGary plot & Thiel)

How the Spooks Would Attack YOU and ME Too.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31176
(Starts Feb 10, 2011 -- HBGary plot and other astroturf crimes.)

4 charged in phone scheme at La. senator's office
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26855
(Starts Jan 26, 2010 -- O'Keefe and Breitbart ACORN and Landrieu plots, CIA training covens on campus, Nixonian dirty tricks applied also to Planned Parenthood, Thiel connection, HBGary plot.)

Top Secret America
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28897
(Starts July 17, 2010 with the WashPo expose of the size and scope of black budget and intel programs, speculations on how to map the world of spooks and parapolitics, some of the HBGary stuff would fit right in given their connections to the National Security state.)

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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:25 pm

All of this is just further evidence that these totalitarian fascists are just completely incapable of creative thought. It's what makes me optimistic that the people will win out in the end.

HBGary's weakness against the intellectually superior minds at Anon is indirectly linked to the bad branding of evangelical marketing and tea party house campaigns (no matter how much they rip off Shep and Sol Sender). It's all the same and it's losing.
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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby Plutonia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:34 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
Plutonia wrote:

[[snipping your great compilation -- but thanks!!!]]

Which brings me back to this Churchill Club panel discussion on Wikileaks with Peter Thiel, from January. Considering the timing, it's worthwhile going back and looking closely at just what Thiel said about Wikileaks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMzEdkiz5tY

In a just world, Peter Thiel would now be about as popular as cancer.


So you finally made me run that, while doing housework today... 1 hour 47 mins, but well worth it. Spectacular! Above all, Ellsberg's summation at the end starting at around 1:40, but also what the thinkware (?) and the CCR lawyer had to say, among others. But I didn't quite see the specific transgression of Thiel to which you refer. He advanced a simplistic, doctrinaire libertarianism in which state and corporation, absurdly, are posited as separate realms in antagonism, instead of as the largely interchangeable heads of an increasingly seamless system of surveillance and control. So he was ready to justify anything Amazon does, whether it was for or against free speech, long as Amazon gets to act in its own interests witout pressure from the state, from whence only bad things and perhaps all bad things come. If Thiel had extended that, we'd hear that Lieberman, acting as enforcer for the national security state in pressuring Amazon to shut down the Wikileaks site, would be equivalent to a state requirement that Amazon not violate the free speech rights of users within its privately-owned public space (in keeping with the exceptional Marsh decision cited by the CCR guy).

But did Thiel say something more incriminating than merely having an unviable and self-serving philosophy of corporatism?

.................................


By the way, I was reminded of the earlier dirty-tricks campaign by O'Keefe and Breitbart against ACORN.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26855

The main Breitbart trick of using deceptively edited video may not be "cyber," but the means of distribution is, of course, the Internet. Like with the HBGary-Palantir-Etc. crime plot, this is a subset of information war with the Web as main battlefield. The psychological principles underlying the tactics haven't changed since the Nixonian dirty tricks campaigns, or for that matter those conducted in Greek antiquity.

& Today I learned that the same form of attack using visits by fake "pimps" is now being employed by the Breitbart organization against Planned Parenthood. (Follow the link, I posted it in the O'Keefe thread.)

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I listened to it again today and was awestruck. I fingered Thiel here specifically because the company he co-founded- Palantir, was coordinating the plot to inflict on Wikileaks/Assange/Greenwald etc, exactly the sort of operation that the Whitehouse mounted against Ellsberg - at the time of this panel discussion!!!. The bare-faced hypocrisy is astounding.

Knowing this, it's possible to re-interpret his remarks as blatant apologism for the private corporations engaged in counter-intelligence-type ops against citizens. Ellsbergs final challenge to his "elite" techie audience could not have been more specifically confrontative than to his co-panelist,Thiel.

1. Palantir oversaw the proposals developed for Hunton and Williams:

Palantir was founded in 2004 by Peter Thiel, Dr. Alex Karp[2], Joe Lonsdale[3], Stephen Cohen, and Nathan Gettings. Early investments came in the form of $2 million from the CIA's venture arm In-Q-Tel and $30 million from Thiel and his firm, The Founders Fund.[4][5][6][7] Dr. Alex Karp is Palantir’s CEO.[8] Palantir‘s name comes from the "seeing stones" in the Lord of the Rings. Its Palo Alto office is referred to as “The Shire” and its Tyson’s Corner office as “Rivendell”, both references to locations in the Lord of the Rings’ Middle-earth.[9]

2. The proposed and active info-ops relied on info-scraping from facebook profiles:

He was an early investor in Facebook, the popular social-networking site, and sits on the company’s board of directors. Thiel was ranked #377 on the Forbes 400 in 2008, with a net worth of US$1.3 billion.
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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:54 pm

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Wait a minute, did I miss it before?! Did you say anywhere upthread that THIEL FOUNDED PALANTIR?! I'm sorry, so much shit to keep track of.

This one's a mother-fucking-lode!

Same guy who helped pay for the O'Keefe-Breitbart attack campaigns on ACORN and other targets also founded Palantir, which was an equal partner in the HBGary plots to attack activists, including Wikileaks and opponents of the Chamber, etc. etc., which also involve scraping his most famous investment, Facebook, for intel. (Meanwhile, Egyptians are putting that thing to better use!)

And in the middle of all that Thiel appears at an intellectuals' talk at Wikileaks to pretend he's for freedom of speech, long as the sacred property rights of corporations (people!) come first. Ha! In the talk he even pretends that he'd have had a hard time deciding what to do, if he had still been in charge of Paypal when the government started its anti-Wikileaks campaign! And this is while his own company is devising an anti-Wikileaks campaign!

Crazy shit. Wow. Given his spook-heavy investments, you might figure this guy at some point acquired a clearance with the government. So he can pretend to be Mr. Anti-Government at the same time.

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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby Plutonia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:50 pm

JackRiddler wrote:.

Wait a minute, did I miss it before?! Did you say anywhere upthread that THIEL FOUNDED PALANTIR?! I'm sorry, so much shit to keep track of.

This one's a mother-fucking-lode!

Same guy who helped pay for the O'Keefe-Breitbart attack campaigns on ACORN and other targets also founded Palantir, which was an equal partner in the HBGary plots to attack activists, including Wikileaks and opponents of the Chamber, etc. etc., which also involve scraping his most famous investment, Facebook, for intel. (Meanwhile, Egyptians are putting that thing to better use!)

And in the middle of all that Thiel appears at an intellectuals' talk at Wikileaks to pretend he's for freedom of speech, long as the sacred property rights of corporations (people!) come first. Ha! In the talk he even pretends that he'd have had a hard time deciding what to do, if he had still been in charge of Paypal when the government started its anti-Wikileaks campaign! And this is while his own company is devising an anti-Wikileaks campaign!

Crazy shit. Wow. Given his spook-heavy investments, you might figure this guy at some point acquired a clearance with the government. So he can pretend to be Mr. Anti-Government at the same time.

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Yep. It's that bad. Absolutely shameless.
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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:05 pm

gah, just to correct, "an intellectuals' talk about Wikileaks."

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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby hanshan » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:16 pm

JackRiddler wrote:.

Wait a minute, did I miss it before?! Did you say anywhere upthread that THIEL FOUNDED PALANTIR?! I'm sorry, so much shit to keep track of.

This one's a mother-fucking-lode!

Same guy who helped pay for the O'Keefe-Breitbart attack campaigns on ACORN and other targets also founded Palantir, which was an equal partner in the HBGary plots to attack activists, including Wikileaks and opponents of the Chamber, etc. etc., which also involve scraping his most famous investment, Facebook, for intel. (Meanwhile, Egyptians are putting that thing to better use!)

And in the middle of all that Thiel appears at an intellectuals' talk at Wikileaks to pretend he's for freedom of speech, long as the sacred property rights of corporations (people!) come first. Ha! In the talk he even pretends that he'd have had a hard time deciding what to do, if he had still been in charge of Paypal when the government started its anti-Wikileaks campaign! And this is while his own company is devising an anti-Wikileaks campaign!

Crazy shit. Wow. Given his spook-heavy investments, you might figure this guy at some point acquired a clearance with the government. So he can pretend to be Mr. Anti-Government at the same time.

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Jack - I think not only is it a question of astounding hypocrisy, but the extraordinary
disconnect that comes from both money & close encounters w/ d'spooks.
& yeah, he would have to have a security clearance as would his company.
Tell ya what, if these guys are this dumb & clueless... :rofl:



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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby Plutonia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:19 pm

JackRiddler wrote:gah, just to correct, "an intellectuals' talk about Wikileaks."

Feeling more fucking enlightened than ever: I give up for today!
Just one more thing before you check-out, Jack: It was more of a gathering of the techno-elite than mere "intellectuals", occurring as it did, at Silicon Valley's Churchill Club:

The Churchill Club is Silicon Valley's premier business and technology forum. The 6,500-member, nonprofit organization has built a reputation for dynamic, in-the-news programs featuring Silicon Valley CEOs, up-and-coming executives and national business leaders. The events regularly draw more than 400 attendees and give members the opportunity to network with the best of Silicon Valley.
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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

Postby Plutonia » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:14 am

You may have heard of Peter Thiel, the right-wing “libertarian” co-founder of Paypal and early investor in Facebook. He seems to be a magnet for controversy and intrigue, with his penchant for casual misogyny and exotic philanthropic endeavors. So, who or what is he really?

Despite his attempts to label himself a libertarian, it should be clear that Thiel is anything but. His ideology seems neoconservative or worse if you trace some of his other “philanthropy.”

For instance, he donated $75,000 to the far-right Institute on Religion and Public Life, gave $25,900 to Meg Whitman’s failed gubernatorial campaign, and provided the funding to the smear group that attacked ACORN.

I wish that were all. He has a long history of this sort of thing. What kind of libertarian would fund anti-immigrant groups? All the real libertarians I know are so pro-immigration that they can even make lefties uncomfortable.

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But what you may not know about Thiel is that he was a founder of Palantir Technologies, a company that provides analysis and informatics tools to governments and large corporations. Palantir was in the news this week for its role in waging cyber warfare against WikiLeaks and its supporters at the behest of Bank of America.

Also, through different sources, it has been learned that Palantir and other firms were hired by the US Chamber of Commerce to “develop tactics for damaging progressive groups and labor unions, in particular ThinkProgress, the labor coalition called Change to Win, the SEIU, US Chamber Watch, and StopTheChamber.com.”

Libertarianism as a philosophy can be a very noble thing, and fighting for market freedom can also be a noble thing. But these actions of Palantir Technologies were neither noble nor in support of free markets.

The Chamber of Commerce lives for only one thing: corporatism. The last thing they would want is to have to compete on a free market without the aid of subsidies, economic rent, barriers to entry, regulatory capture, patents, limited liability, corporate personhood, and the many other market interventions on behalf of centralized wealth.

[UPDATE: After being exposed, Palantir says they are now very sorry for what they have done to WikiLeaks. No word on how they feel about supporting the Chamber.]

Disturbingly, the latest post on Palantir’s Twitter account was to advertise a company event with Silicon Valley Robotics, makers of military robotics. The event appeared to promise an up close and personal look at the “killer robots” of the future. Not surprisingly, Palantir’s other big investor was In-Q-Tel, the investment arm of the CIA.

People of conscience, consider this your warning before undertaking any relationship with Mr. Thiel.


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Re: The first global cyber war has begun

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