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Show some proof of their great dangers or don't make the claim.
"Some of the polio vaccine administered from 1955-1963 was contaminated with a virus, called simian virus 40 (SV40). The virus came from the monkey kidney cell cultures used to produce the vaccine. Most, but not all, of the contamination was in the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV). Once the contamination was recognized, steps were taken to eliminate it from future vaccines. Researchers have long wondered about the effects of the contaminated vaccine on people who received it. Although SV40 has biological properties consistent with a cancer-causing virus, it has not been conclusively established whether it might have caused cancer in humans. Studies of groups of people who received polio vaccine during 1955-1963 provide evidence of no increased cancer risk.
However, because these epidemiologic studies are sufficiently flawed, the committee concluded in this report that the evidence was inadequate to conclude whether or not the contaminated polio vaccine caused cancer. In light of the biological evidence supporting the theory that SV40-contamination of polio vaccines could contribute to human cancers, the committee recommends continued public health attention in the form of policy analysis, communication, and targeted biological research."
The following statement appeared in the Handbook of Pesticide Toxicology, 1991, edited by Wayland J. Hayes and Edward R. Laws: "It has been alleged that DDT causes or contributes to a wide variety of diseases of humans and animals not previously recognized as associated with any chemical. Such diseases included. . . poliomyelitis, . . . such irresponsible claims could produce great harm and, if taken seriously, even interfere with scientific search for true causes. . ."1
Hayes and Laws were informing their readers about the heretic, Dr. Morton S. Biskind. In 1953, when Biskind's writings were published, the United States had just endured its greatest polio epidemic. The entire public was steeped in dramatic images--a predatory poliovirus, nearly a million dead and paralyzed children, iron lungs, struggling doctors and dedicated nurses. The late president Franklin D. Roosevelt had been memorialized as a polio victim who was infected with the deadly poliovirus near the beautiful and remote island of Campobello. The media was saturated with positive images of scientific progress and the marvels of DDT to kill disease-carrying mosquitos. Jonas Salk was in the wings, preparing to be moved center stage.
Through this intellectually paralyzing atmosphere, Dr. Biskind had the composure to argue what he thought was the most obvious explanation for the polio epidemic: Central nervous system diseases (CNS) such as polio are actually the physiological and symptomatic manifestations of the ongoing government- and industry-sponsored inundation of the world's populace with central nervous system poisons.
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Physiological Evidence
"Biskind also describes physiological evidence of DDT poisoning that resembles polio physiology: "Particularly relevant to recent aspects of this problem are neglected studies by Lillie and his collaborators of the National Institutes of Health, published in 1944 and 1947 respectively, which showed that DDT may produce degeneration of the anterior horn cells of the spinal cord in animals. These changes do not occur regularly in exposed animals any more than they do in human beings, but they do appear often enough to be significant."
He continues, bearing his exasperation in trying to make the obvious plain. "When the population is exposed to a chemical agent known to produce in animals lesions in the spinal cord resembling those in human polio, and thereafter the latter disease increases sharply in incidence and maintains its epidemic character year after year, is it unreasonable to suspect an etiologic relationship?"
Before finding Biskind's work, I had spent months engaged in a nearly futile search for the physiology of acute DDT poisoning. I began to sense that American DDT literature as a whole intends to convey that DDT is not dangerous except with regard to its general environmental effects due to persistent bioaccumulation, and that the physiology of acute DDT poisoning is therefore trivial. DDT literature uniformly jumps from descriptions of symptoms, over physiology, to the biochemistry of DDT-caused dysfunction in nerve tissue. It was as though detectives had come upon a mass-murder scene and immediately became obsessed with the biochemistry of dying cells around bullet holes, while ignoring the bullet holes.
Eventually, I did find one study, in a German publication, of the physiology of acute DDT poisoning.4 The study confirmed that DDT poisoning often causes polio-like physiology. "Conspicuous histological degeneration was, however, often found in the central nervous system. The most striking ones were found in the cerebellum, mainly in the nucleus dentatus and the cortex cells. Among other things an increase of the neuroglia and a necrotic degeneration and resorption of ganglionic cells was found. The Purkinje cells were less seriously affected than the other neurons. Also in the spinal cord abnormalities of a degenerative nature were found. . . . such changes were not found invariably. . . there is neither an obvious relation between the size and spreading of the lesion and the quantity of DDT applied. . . . information of adequate precision about the nature of the anomalies is lacking."
Thus we find that the cerebellum and the spinal cord are especially affected by DDT."
F. Edward Yazbak, MD, FAAP
F. Edward Yazbak, MD, FAAP of Falmouth, Massachusetts, practiced pediatrics and was a school physician in Northern Rhode Island for 34 years. He was formerly the Assistant Clinical Director of the Charles V. Chapin Hospital, a specialized infectious disease hospital and the Director of Pediatrics at the Woonsocket Hospital in Rhode Island. He was also the Pediatric Director of the Child Development Study, the Brown University division of the NINDB Collaborative Study and an assistant member of the Institute of Health Sciences at the University.
Since 1998, Ed has devoted his time to researching vaccine injury and the increased incidence and autoimmune causes of regressive autism focusing on maternal re-vaccination with live viruses.
Ed has been recognized as an expert witness in autism, vaccine injury and Shaken Baby Syndrome litigation and has published extensively on those subjects.
Ed and Maureen, a pediatric nurse practitioner, have four children and twelve grandchildren. Their family like many others has been severely affected by autism.
A study sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and
funded by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) was published on PLoS ONE
on September 4, 2008.
PLoS ONE, an international, peer-reviewed, open-access, online publication by the
Public Library of Science features reports of original science and medicine research.
The recent CDC-sponsored publication was titled
“Lack of Association between Measles Virus Vaccine and Autism with Enteropathy:
A Case-Control Study”
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Other concerns
What did the authors mean by “Failure to replicate the original study design may
contribute to continued public concern with respect to the safety of the measles,
mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.”? (Abstract-Background)
Do they really think they replicated the British study when the number of subjects
was different, the patient selection was different, the biopsy sites were different...and
so much that mattered was different?
How can the Columbia / Harvard researchers write that “This study provides strong
evidence against association of autism with persistent MV RNA in the GI tract or
MMR exposure” and ...intimate that Wakefield’s research does not count, when in
spite of all the problems with their own study they found evidence of measles virus
RNA in one boy with post-MMR autism and gastrointestinal symptoms?
Why did they need to tell us that 47 children were recruited, when the “final study
population consisted of 25 cases (AUT/GI group) and 13 controls (GI control group)
presenting consecutively for ileocolonoscopy who received at least one dose of MMR
and completed all study procedures”?
Concerning the statement: “The majority of study subjects were in the 3–5 year age stratum
and below the age recommended for second MMR (4–6 years; expectedly, 80% of cases and
69% of controls received only one MMR prior to the study (P = 0.36).”
Why did the authors not just say that 20 of 25 cases & 9 out of 13 controls
received only one MMR instead of using percentages and a P value?
If children are required to receive two MMR vaccinations before starting
school and their parents are vilified and threatened with police dogs or
complaints to social services if they don’t, wasn’t a serious flaw built into the
study when 80% of the sample only received one dose of MMR vaccine?
Wouldn’t a better selection, namely the inclusion of cases vaccinated twice,
have increased positive yields?
Lastly, why did the Columbia-Harvard researchers not perform serological studies
based on those developed by Dr. V. K. Singh? Were they concerned about their
results?
three children with regressive autism following MMR vaccination encephalopathy.
The three children also had evidence of MV genomic RNA in their ileal lymphoid
nodular hyperplasia biopsies.
In that study, the serological testing performed on the serum and the CSF yielded
valuable confirmatory information. (8)
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So why am I so pleased with the new study in spite of its problems?
Because this CDC–sponsored study proved that:
“Results were consistent across the three laboratory sites.”
In other words: That Dr. John J. O’Leary’s Histopathology Laboratory at Trinity
College Dublin consistently returned findings that were identical to those of the
highly specialized laboratories at Columbia University and the certainly highly
motivated facility of the Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Herpesvirus Laboratory
Branch of the CDC in Atlanta, Georgia.
The recent study in fact supports Andrew Wakefield’s findings.
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jam.fuse wrote:Here's part one of a documentary by Gary Null, parts two thru ten are on YT.
Null holds an associate degree in business administration from West Virginia's Mountain State College. He got his Ph.D. in interdisciplinary studies from Ohio's Union Institute, a "nontraditional" school where students design their own curriculum and decide who gets to chair their doctoral committees.
Gary Null - described on quackwatch.org as "one of the nation's leading promoters of dubious treatment for serious disease"
The Quackbusters
Vitality May 2002
By Helke Ferrie
“The great mass of people will more easily
fall victim to a big lie than a small one.”
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1925
My first encounter with Quackbusters was on November 10,1998, when a public debate was sponsored by the American College of Toxicology in Orlando, Florida. The speakers on one side were Albert Donnay and Grace Ziem, both with Johns Hopkins medical school and experts on multiple chemical sensitivity. The Quackbuster representatives were its founder Stephen Barrett and Ronald Gots, the founder of the Quackbuster branch, Environmental Sensitivities Research Institute. Both men are also directors of the American Council on Science and Health, another branch of Quackbusters. Their presentations were later published in the prestigious International Journal of Toxicology (vol. 18, no.6, 1999). The debate focused on whether chemical sensitivity is a psychological or a biological condition. In front of an audience of several hundred people, and aware that the entire debate was being video- and audio-taped, Gots stated that prestigious university-affiliated authors of a (named) main-stream peer-reviewed journal had recently provided incontrovertible proof, on the basis of rigorous scientific study and experiment, that chemical sensitivity was a psychological condition.
Gots was followed by Johns Hopkins’ speaker Albert Donnay who informed the audience that this prestigious study was fictitious. The authors were fictitious, too. Even the journal was fiction. A gasp went through the audience. Amazingly, Gots made no attempt to answer. Even more astounding was the body language of both Gots and Barrett. While the audience was audibly shocked and murmurs were going through the crowd, those two Quackbusters leaned back in their chairs, fiddled with their pens in the bored and relaxed manner of total self-assurance awaiting the next item on the agenda.
How is this possible? I asked myself. If this had happened to a university professor, his tenure would be in jeopardy and his chances of ever getting published again in a peer-reviewed journal would be zero. Sure, some university professor lie and cheat and fudge the data, and occasionally huge government investigations into science fraud are launched, such as recently in Germany - but never does this happen so outrageously, brazenly in full public view. If cooking the data to support a favorite theory is like the skilled production of counterfeit money in a secret basement operation, Gots’ performance was like a bank robbery in full daylight.
A bona fide researcher, even if he is a crook, must at least appear to be honest. But if your work is supported by an infinite money source, nothing much matters. Gots’ and Barrett’s job seems to be to keep lies circulating so doubt remains strong and fuel is given to the self-defensive all-too-human tendency to dismiss unpleasant information as scare-mongering. Such propaganda provides a highly effective break for change and saves billions of dollars for those whose products and practices would otherwise be compelled to change radically. So, who funds Quackbusters?
Birds of a Feather
The main Quackbusters are Ronald Gots, Victor Herbert and Stephen Barret, retired physicians all who appear in countless public venues, many high profile, to air their views on how untold millions are being poisoned by vitamin C, why we should fight for the right to have fluoride in our water, avoid unhealthy organic foods because they lack those protective pesticides we urgently need, and trust in the absolute safety of mercury amalgam fillings. Global warming is a silly scare perpetrated by individuals in need of psychiatric help, and vaccines cannot possibly cause health problems. On Barrett’s web site one finds in-depth article on everything he believes is fraud (amounting to roughly one fifth of the US gross national product). The most personal and viscous attacks are reserved for the likes of Linus Pauling and many leading lights in current medical research.[/b]
For Barrett and friends nobody -absolutely anybody - has any authority. The alternative crowd is for them as bad as, the (alas!) progressively more and more deluded mainstream such as the World Health Organization, the NIH, the FDA, the White House task force on complementary medicine, Harvard and Johns Hopkins medical schools, and any other serious person or institution trying to make sense of the world’s ills. As for good old-fashioned research, the only democratic tool humanity has got by which to establish what is real and what works - that’s only permitted in Barrett’s world as long as the results fit his opinion. In the world of Gots and Barrett there are no surprises. They are trapped in a black-and-white movie from the early 1950’s and they want us all to be trapped in it too. In a detailed analysis of why doctors turn to complementary medicine, Barrett diagnoses them as suffering from paranoid mental states, fascination with the paranormal, profit and prophet motives, psychopathic tendencies, and boredom.
That last item is closer to the truth than even Barrett could stand: I have had literally hundreds of doctors tell me at international conferences on environmental and complementary medicine that they were bored to tears with prescribing drugs and have their patients return for more and more drugs, getting sicker and sicker. Then they switched to real medicine (the kind inspired by Hippocrates who 2,500 years ago taught about clean air, water and wholesome food) and being a doctor became exiting at last. “Life began when I stopped seeing drug reps,” one said, and another sighed happily, “I haven’t used my prescription pad in years. I am not sure where it is.”
Barrett tells us that “Neither Quackwatch nor I have any financial ties to any commercial or industrial organization” and “Quackwatch has no salaried employees” and is funded by personal donations and profits from publications. “If its income falls below what is needed … the rest comes out of my pocket.” His and Gots’ pockets are interesting, to say the least. The funding sources of their organizations were readily available on the Internet until recently; in the early ‘90’s he stopped disclosing such information. The last annual report to list donors was published 1991 where we find all our toxic friends: Monsanto and Archer Daniels Midland (both of genetic engineering fame), the Nutrasweet Company (neurotoxic aspartame etc.), Union Carbide (as in Bopal disaster), the producers of pesticides, fertilizers, and fluoride Dow Chemical, Dupont, Cargill etc., the biochemical warfare and pharmaceutical producers Eli Lilly, the Uniroyal Chemical Company, all the big petroleum and pharmaceutical companies, and various refined sugar producers and refined food producing giants. Two thirds of the world’s economy is controlled by this list of North American Big Business. With friends like that, who needs to worry about telling the most fantastical lies in public?
To test Quackwatch’s insistence that it is based on public support, I applied to become a member in 1999. First I was told that the annual membership fee was US $25,000. I said, “That’s fine, send me the membership application form.” Was I calling on behalf of a corporation? No, I informed the person, who then said, “We prefer corporate members.
Stephen Barrett, a retired psychiatrist, has written 49 books debunking what he identifies as health fraud. He also enjoys debunking UFO’s and experiences of the paranormal. He operates six Web sites. In his CV he claims that he did peer reviewing for some of the top medical journals (e.g. New England Journal of Medicine, Annals of Internal Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association). Since the peer review system is secret, there is no way of verifying this claim.
Of course, mainstream medicine has as much trouble discriminating between what’s sound and what’s dubious in medicine as the rest of us. So, it came as no surprise that in 1999 Quackwatch was able to convince the New England Journal of Medicine to co-host a conference on a critical appraisal of alternative medicine. The journal's justly famous then editor, Marcia Angell was the keynote speaker, but rubbing shoulders with Quackwatchers did not impair her find mind and sound judgement. All the hype and tongue clicking notwithstanding, the conference produced lots of sound stuff. Angell’s editorial integrity is now the stuff of legend, as she sounded the wake-up call for medical publication rules and standards of ethics with her June 22, 2000, editorial. She identified the rot by asking to whom the pharmaceutical industry is accountable and argued that it is time medical research does some serious soul searching. As of September 2002 the rules governing conflicts of interest in medical publication have been re-written worldwide. Barrett’s friends are having a hard time, at last - as is his entire organization, because the law suits against Quackwatch are increasing in number and seriousness. Check out jurimed@yahoo.com for the details.
By Their Works Ye Shall Know Them
So observed Jesus 2000 years ago with astute psychological insight – fortunately, that cuts both ways. Serious long-term irritation can produce magnificent pearls. Quackwatch’s Dr. Victor Herbert specializes in vitriolic smear campaigns. Linus Pauling describes his many irritating meetings with Herbert in Linus Pauling in His Own Words (1995): “Here is this …. Victor Herbert, who to this day keeps writing papers and giving speeches saying that no one benefits from taking extra vitamins, and he won’t even look at the evidence…. I finally became sufficiently irritated by this fellow that I decided I ought to do something about it. So I sat down one summer … and in two months wrote the book Vitamin C and the Common Cold." [1971]
Quackwatch’s negative influence is formidable. The formula of their attacks on health freedom is fairly simple and easy to detect and its success depends on persistent repetition. The Quackwatch formula simply requires citing scientific literature that is outdated, irrelevant or non-existent. Only the specialist or nitpicking investigative journalist will ferret out the truth. In attacking the White House Commission on Complementary Medicine (annual budget of US $ 50 million at the National Institutes of Health) initiated by President Clinton in March 2000, Barrett devotes enormous amounts of cyberspace to its condemnation. Triumphantly he informs the browser that even members of that task force have broken away in disgust and made their dissent known publicly. What really happened can be found in the rather reliable March 28, 2002, issue of the world’s premier science journal Nature. Two members of that task force stated that more money should be allocated towards research into complementary medicine, and that the task force’s final report would have been better if it had cited even more research to support its suggested program of action.
Quackwatch also delights in using the medial regulatory systems to go after doctors who have strayed from the One True Barrett Path. The State of New York is currently holding hearings (the equivalent of a public inquiry) into the inappropriate way in which the disciplinary process has been used, with Quackwatch “expert” witnesses, to stop doctors from using complementary medicine. The popular radio show “The Touch of Health” was relentlessly attacked with viscous and insulting e-mails by Ontario Quackwatch member Dr. Polevoy until the show was closed down. One of the worst examples of Quackwatch’s power comes from Nova Scotia. In the early 1990’s the faulty air filtration system at Halifax’s Camphill Hospital caused 900 people to become seriously chemically injured and today more than 300 remain permanently disabled. When these cases began to come before Workers’s Compensation tribunal in the late 1990’s, it was Ronald Gots who appeared as the “expert”. The expert opinion reports, accepted by the tribunal, weren’t even signed by doctors and Gots explained that the secretaries could be trusted to know the physicians’ intentions. Gots’ expertise caused all claims to be denied and the claimants were encouraged to seek the help of a psychiatrist. Enter Johns Hopkins researcher Albert Donnay who provided the whole truth and nothing but the truth, scientific and legal, to the appeals board. Since then case after case has been won on appeal.
Some time ago, when I was scheduled to speak at the Health Expo, a friend found me on the Canadian Quackwatch site described as a doctor’s wife who promotes quackery in public lectures. I am flattered. The information I provide must be dangerously accurate.
After eight years of research, Perron finally completed his retrovirus’s gene sequence. What he found on that day in 1997 no one could have predicted; it instantly explained why so many others had failed before him. We imagine viruses as mariners, sailing from person to person across oceans of saliva, snot, or semen—but Perron’s bug was a homebody. It lives permanently in the human body at the very deepest level: inside our DNA. After years slaving away in a biohazard lab, Perron realized that everyone already carried the virus that causes multiple sclerosis.
Other scientists had previously glimpsed Perron’s retrovirus without fully grasping its significance. In the 1970s biologists studying pregnant baboons were shocked as they looked at electron microscope images of the placenta. They saw spherical retroviruses oozing from the cells of seemingly healthy animals. They soon found the virus in healthy humans, too. So began a strange chapter in evolutionary biology.
Viruses like influenza or measles kill cells when they infect them. But when retroviruses like HIV infect a cell, they often let the cell live and splice their genes into its DNA. When the cell divides, both of its progeny carry the retrovirus’s genetic code in their DNA.
In the past few years, geneticists have pieced together an account of how Perron’s retrovirus entered our DNA. Sixty million years ago, a lemurlike animal—an early ancestor of humans and monkeys—contracted an infection. It may not have made the lemur ill, but the retrovirus spread into the animal’s testes (or perhaps its ovaries), and once there, it struck the jackpot: It slipped inside one of the rare germ line cells that produce sperm and eggs. When the lemur reproduced, that retrovirus rode into the next generation aboard the lucky sperm and then moved on from generation to generation, nestled in the DNA. “It’s a rare, random event,” says Robert Belshaw, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Oxford in England. “Over the last 100 million years, there have been only maybe 50 times when a retrovirus has gotten into our genome and proliferated.”
But such genetic intrusions stick around a very long time, so humans are chockablock full of these embedded, or endogenous, retroviruses. Our DNA carries dozens of copies of Perron’s virus, now called human endogenous retrovirus W, or HERV-W, at specific addresses on chromosomes 6 and 7.
If our DNA were an airplane carry-on bag (and essentially it is), it would be bursting at the seams. We lug around 100,000 retro virus sequences inside us; all told, genetic parasites related to viruses account for more than 40 percent of all human DNA. Our body works hard to silence its viral stowaways by tying up those stretches of DNA in tight stacks of proteins, but sometimes they slip out. Now and then endogenous retroviruses switch on and start manufacturing proteins. They assemble themselves like Lego blocks into bulbous retroviral particles, which ooze from the cells producing them.
Endogenous retroviruses were long considered genetic fossils, incapable of doing anything interesting. But since Perron’s revelation, at least a dozen studies have found that HERV-W is active in people with MS.
By the time Perron made his discovery, Torrey and Yolken had spent about 15 years looking for a pathogen that causes schizophrenia. They found lots of antibodies but never the bug itself. Then Håkan Karlsson, who was a postdoctoral fellow in Yolken’s lab, became interested in studies showing that retroviruses sometimes triggered psychosis in AIDS patients. The team wondered if other retroviruses might cause these symptoms in separate diseases such as schizophrenia. So they used an experiment, similar to Perron’s, that would detect any retrovirus (by finding sequences encoding reverse transcriptase enzyme)—even if it was one that had never been catalogued before. In 2001 they nabbed a possible culprit. It turned out to be HERV-W.
Several other studies have since found similar active elements of HERV-W in the blood or brain fluids of people with schizophrenia. One, published by Perron in 2008, found HERV-W in the blood of 49 percent of people with schizophrenia, compared with just 4 percent of healthy people. “The more HERV-W they had,” Perron says, “the more inflammation they had.” He now sees HERV-W as key to understanding many cases of both MS and schizophrenia. “I’ve been doubting for so many years,” he says. “I’m convinced now.”
compared2what? wrote:[You could actually take that one step further, in that those vaccines aren't so profitable that companies are, like, fighting to produce them. Especially since they know going in (again, granting the truth of the premise for the sake of the mental exercise) that there always have been and likely always will be children who are like Hannah Poling (or even more vulnerable than that) that will be harmed rather than helped by immunization.
In some number that's an eensy little fraction of however many used to die of or suffer lifelong damage due to [measles or rubella or polio or pertussis or whatever]. But that's speaking from a public health perspective. As pharmaceutical companies no doubt think of it: Sooner or later, huge and unforeseeable liabilities will lower this product's already modest bottom line.
compared2what? wrote:jam.fuse, do you eat any packaged foods? Do you drink alcohol? Do you smoke tobacco or anything else? Do you take over-the-counter medication of any kind, like maybe Advil or Benadryl? Do you like sweets? Do you eat eggs? Do you ever use a microwave oven? Or toothpaste? Or a toothbrush?
Do you realize that if you made a list of every single ingredient in the things you consume/absorb/inhale on a daily basis it would be loaded with all of the things that are or sound toxic on that list, and in much larger quantities?
With the exceptions of (a) the viruses, which have been being used for immunization purposes successfully -- ie, without giving people those viruses -- for more than 200 years; and (b) maybe the animal embryonic cells, I don't really know. But I don't see why they would do anyone any harm, they're present in tiny amounts. And it's not like they become a part of you forever or like you're in danger of starting to get all Island of Dr. Moreau as a result of their inclusion. It's pretty much: vaccine ingredients in; vaccine ingredients out.
Even by the early age at which children get vaccinated, they generally have higher mercury blood levels than they might get from what the thimerosol would break down to if even it were still in the vaccines in more than trace amounts. And that's certainly a problem.
Oh. Well, the aborted fetal tissue probably isn't in too many comestibles either, I've got to admit. But it doesn't seem very...Oh, I don't know. I'll get back to you on that one, if there's anything to get back about. Because it never hurts to fact-check. Trust but verify and all that.
Nordic wrote:Because there is a connection between vaccines and autism. It's just nobody's figured out what it is yet.
The weird thing is that it's recent. When I was a kid I got vaccined for probably dozens of things, and I don't remember any autism aside from the usual percentage of those we called "retarded" back then.
Why is it now an epidemic?
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