Tel Aviv daily reports on Israeli agents posing as "Muslims"

[lupercal]

About those passionate Twitbook revolutionaries blogging from Egypt, Iran and Tunisia. . . .
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'Your Muslim husband is a Jew'
From:The Australian. February 22, 2011
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 6009693798

A GROUP of Israeli Arab women flown to Paris in 1964 were met by a Mossad officer who told them that their husbands were not who they thought they were.

"He is not an Arab," the officer told each of them. "He is a Jew."

As related yesterday in the Tel Aviv daily Yediot Ahronot, the story had begun a decade earlier when security officials decided to plant agents in Israeli Arab villages and towns. Israel's War of Independence, in which the newborn state battled for a year against Palestinian Arabs and the invading armies of surrounding Arab states, had ended just a few years before, in 1949. The purpose of the sleeper agents was to warn if Israeli Arabs would revolt in the event of another war.

Ten young Jewish immigrants from Iraq were trained for a year before being sent into Israeli Arab communities, posing as refugees from the war who had escaped to a neighbouring Arab country and had now infiltrated back.

It quickly became apparent that in order to maintain credibility the men would have to marry. "It would have been suspicious for young, vigorous men to remain alone, without a spouse," said Shmuel Moriah, the security officer who headed the operation. "We didn't order them to marry, but there was such an expectation."

By the early 1960s, it was clear that the intelligence benefits from the operation were marginal and it was decided to dismantle the unit. The dilemma confronting Moriah was whether to simply pull out the agents, leaving the women and children behind, presumably with compensation, or to transfer the families to Jewish communities where the children would be raised as Jews. The agents themselves insisted on the families remaining together.

It was thus that the wives were invited to France, where they were met by the Mossad station chief. He told them they could either join their husbands in a Jewish community, where the children would be raised as Jews, or arrangements could be made for them to be resettled in an Arab country of their choice. The newspaper article did not explain why they were not given the choice of remaining with their children in their home village.

The women chose to remain with their husbands. Israeli army chaplains brought to Paris converted them to Judaism and by special dispensation their young children were also recognised as Jews without undergoing separate conversion.

The ensuing identity crisis required psychological intervention. "We tried to rehabilitate the people involved, but weren't really successful," said Moriah.

"The kids experienced serious trauma. They tried to forget their past, where they came from, but they couldn't.

"A few succeeded in life, but most still suffer from problems."
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hmm..

[Jeff]

I don't know about anyone else, but I find this

About those passionate Twitbook revolutionaries blogging from Egypt, Iran and Tunisia. . . .

extraordinarily profane.

[lupercal]

How so Jeff? Profane suggests desecration of something sacred and I have no idea what that might be. The "free-market system" these clowns supposedly feel so strongly about? Do you know what that is? It's a scam, like everything else associated with these phony revolutions, which in my view are desecrations of sacred ideas which are being commodified and exploited in a sickening way that seems strangely invisible to most here. Go figure.

[Jeff]

How so Jeff? Profane suggests desecration of something sacred and I have no idea what that might be.

My condolences.

[lupercal]

As to exactly where all those bloggers come from, please read this report or for the sake of simplicity watch the embedded video which I'll post directly if I can figure out how:

Democracy promotion: America’s new regime change formula
http://rt.com/usa/news/democracy-promotion-usa-regime/

[AhabsOtherLeg]

You know that one of the things they are fighting against (at least in Egypt) is the imposition of Neoliberalist policies against their will, leading to the rising food prices and general cost of living? They are fighting against the "free market" as it was being used against them.

To quote Fatima Mansions, "They've already seen the Great Provider, in his true bloodthirsty human form."

This is why we don't have to worry too much about the Egyptians (at least) adopting an Islamic theocracy as a replacement for their deposed "civillian" government. They know more than us about Saudi Arabia, about Iran, about Bahrain, about Jordan. They know that a theocracy will sell them out, and so will a bought-and-paid-for dictator.

The others in Tunisia, Libya, Bahrain, Iraq, and more to be announced, are fighting against the wholesale looting of their country's mineral and oil wealth by Western powers for at least the last few decades (as well as the rule of their own franchise managers) which has always been our definition of the free market. Fight forever or get plundered forever.

I'm not sure if Lupercal's words can be considered profane, though. They might be sacred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foolishness_for_Christ

[Burnt Hill]

lupercal wrote:About those passionate Twitbook revolutionaries blogging from Egypt, Iran and Tunisia. . . .

I dont get what this has to do with the post in the first place.
At first I thought you were suggesting the Twitbook revolutionaries arent who they appear to be ,
but that doesnt seem to be the case.
What am I missing?

[lupercal]

How so Jeff? Profane suggests desecration of something sacred and I have no idea what that might be.

My condolences.

Thanks. There was a time in my life when I thought Gaddafi was evil incarnate but it was mercifully brief, due mainly to the fact that a payment for my free college subscription to Time magazine came due and I never paid it. Sic transit Time and its glorious propaganda. Anyhow here's a salient excerpt from the RT article linked above which is rather long but well worth the trouble, and no dunning notices to follow:

Allen Weintein, one of the founders of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) explained to the Washington Post in 1991, "A lot of what we do now was done covertly by the CIA 25 years ago.”

And like the CIA, USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy and a number of similar organizations receive funding from Congress.

“Millions and millions of U.S. tax payer dollars go every year into funding for political organizations and campaigns in different countries in the world that promote US agenda. Most U.S. citizens are unaware of the fact that that is how their money is being spent, to meddle, and to influence and to interfere in other nation’s affairs,” said Eva Golinger who has been investigating the US’s democracy promotion efforts in Venezuela.

The concept of facilitating regime change through democracy promotion has garnered wide criticism not just abroad but also at home in the United States.

Congressman Ron Paul once wrote "It is particularly Orwellian to call US manipulation of foreign elections 'promoting democracy.' How would we Americans feel if for example the Chinese arrived with millions of dollars to support certain candidates deemed friendly to China?"

“I think it’s terrible, we use taxpayer’s money to go over and use our military and the CIA these programs that say ‘this is what you outta do’ and influence them. There is no authority for that, it doesn’t work, it teaches a lot of people to despise us,” Congressman Paul told RT.

Funding and how it operates

Democracy promotion has been a long standing element of US foreign policy. It operates as a key component of soft power linked to the diplomacy apparatus of Washington.

“The moneys go from the U.S. State because we need to see this starts with the U.S. state.They go into the country that is going to be intervened and inside that country they identify a series of groups that are going to receive this money but also receive this kind of political influence that comes with giving money and comes with on the ground operatives tied to this money,” explained Robinson.

“When the U.S. starts an interventionist program, they identify the different sectors it wants to organize. So it identifies the trades union movement and where are the pliant parts; the objective is to marginalize radical trade unions and bolster conservative trade unions.They identify women movements, marginalize radical movements and mobilize conservative women moments. Then they do the same with youth. All sectors of civil society will be identified and those that can be brought on board to the US interventionist project will be brought on board and funded.”

One of many examples is the color revolutions in Eastern Europe.

“As I saw happen for example in Ukraine, as I saw happen in Georgia, as I see happening in other places too, they don't just propagandize or attempt to help with words and rhetoric that opposition, they actually do things that give that opposition more power,” said Wilkerson, recalling the involvement of USAID and NED.

William Blum, a US historian and the author of the book “Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions since WW II” said, “They copy from one area to another, the first one that was successful was the one in Serbia and they borrowed things from that revolution. Certain slogan, symbols and colors, and they use it again and again.”

Analysts recall the similarities in the color revolutions where youth groups were energized, rock bands lined up, and laser shows put on. The movements were marketed as cool.

“The objective was to make them into a national passion, a national fad if you will,” said Blum.

Student leaders of the Serbian youth group Otpor who played a key role in the 2000 ousting of Slobodan Milosevic met 7 to 10 times with officials from USAID affiliates, according to the NY Times. The same group also received several hundred thousand dollars for demonstration material, t-shirts and stickers.

On the other side of the world, in Latin America, some of the most active and capable programs have and continue to flourish in countries where Capitalism isn’t the agenda.

Blum contends, “Venezuela, easily, that is the place where they send the most money. Chavez is enemy number one."

[lupercal]

You know that one of the things they are fighting against (at least in Egypt) is the imposition of Neoliberalist policies against their will, leading to the rising food prices and general cost of living? They are fighting against the "free market" as it was being used against them.

So we're told. Some might even think they are. Good luck to them if they do.

lupercal wrote:About those passionate Twitbook revolutionaries blogging from Egypt, Iran and Tunisia. . . .

I dont get what this has to do with the post in the first place.
At first I thought you were suggesting the Twitbook revolutionaries arent who they appear to be ,
but that doesnt seem to be the case.
What am I missing?

Yes, that is what I'm suggesting.

[Burnt Hill]

As to exactly where all those bloggers come from, please read this report or for the sake of simplicity watch the embedded video which I'll post directly if I can figure out how:

Democracy promotion: America’s new regime change formula
http://rt.com/usa/news/democracy-promotion-usa-regime/

Okay, I see where you are going with it.
Still a poor comparison for introducing your point.

[Nordic]

Lupercal, I've been doing my best to ignore you lately. You seem like a sockpuppet for Hugh to me. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. You have a different "voice" then he, but your convictions are the same.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter, does it? What are you suggesting, that (for instance) having Mubarek in place in Egypt is better than NOT having Mubarek in Egypt?

Are you telling me that all those millions of people in Egypt were CIA agents? And if they weren't, isn't it a little insulting to people, and humanity, in general, to assume that people are so easily manipulated that they'll face gunfire and tanks because they've been manipulated by CIA agents who are American and therefore EVIL GENIUSES?

I suppose the Simple Egyptian would never be a match for the American Super Genius.

But even if the whole thing was instigated, manipulated, by the CIA, you're telling me that the millions of people dancing in the streets and now taking over their own country for the first time in over 30 years are WORSE OFF for it?

If so, well, you're just kind of a dick.

[lupercal]

^ I like Hugh but trust me we have plenty of disagreements. As to the millions in Cairo. Have you ever marched in a demonstration Nordic? I have and let me tell you the numbers reported are extremely fungible. I don't personally see how Tahrir square could hold more than 50,000 and don't forget they also required overnight accommodations and facilities. Oh yes, all supplied through the miracle of Twitter, but where were all those shitters, campfires and pup tents? And you're trying to tell me there were over a million camping there? Please. Turn off the freaking TV.

[Nordic]

Dude, I don't get my news from the TV. And you know, we have people right here who live in Egypt.

You're telling me the whole thing was faked? You're mad!!

[lupercal]

Alice lives in Alexandria and did not participate in the so-called revolution, and yes I read about her day trip to Tahrir square after it was over, thanks for that report Alice. And I didn't say "faked," I said "fake." Yes, they're as fake as the November 2004 election results, and how many years did the wikileaks crowd claim that was a big conspiracy theory?

p.s. and before you make the obvious dumb point about wikileaks, by "wikileaks crowd" I mean preachers of the NYTimes gospel.

[JackRiddler]

Lupercal, I've been doing my best to ignore you lately. You seem like a sockpuppet for Hugh to me.

There is zero cause to suggest that. Leave Hugh out of this.

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