UFO filmed over Jerusalem.

[WakeUpAndLive]

What are we looking at here, Cosmic Cowbell? Is this an exteme zoomed-in view of video #4?

Well I may be missing the point of the picture, but there are a couple things which you can notice.

#1 - The flash seems to be ejecting up and to the right of the object in question. In both flashes you see a protrusion of the flash to the right of the craft. Also the first flash covers a much larger area.

#2 - In this video you can see the effect the light of the craft has on the dome rock and surrounding buildings.

#3 - Lastly, it seems like the flash emanated from the lights on the ground as well as the craft. Is the craft using energy pulled from our electricity to take off??

[Luther Blissett]

Wow that's a great gif. I'm definitely seeing the reflection of the flash by multiple objects on the ground.

[wolf ticket]

It certainly does look compelling. But may question still stands: Where is this gif from? It looks like an exteme close-up of one of the existing videos. Can you enlighten us, Cosmic Cowbell?

[brainpanhandler]

I think it pretty clearly derives from the fourth and final video that emerged.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

The .gif was created by a mod (Skeptic Overlord) over at ATS and posted in this thread. I'm not sure it's anything other than frames grabbed from Vid 4 and converted to gray-scale. It's a monster thread (185 pages) with back and forth from a few who claim experience with CGI, video production etc. This particular effort shows that there is indeed a light reflection cast on the Dome of the Rock as well as a revealing of detail in dark places illuminated during the flashes.

Although many have made great effort to demonstrate how these video's -could- be created through manipulation, there really hasn't been what we could call a definitive smoking gun admission of hoaxing by those who've posted them. The consensus seems to be that until they actually come forward with the details (camera type/setting, etc) and the original capture footage, a definitive analysis is impossible. There is also the fact that, so far, no other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the sighting.

A few thoughts...

There are three videos in question and one that was an obvious hoax (which does not include the flashes). The fourth video was posted with two versions, one of which has now gone private or has been removed -the long version, and is the best in quality and detail. A -lot- of detail, such as including the reflection on the dome and the illumination of darker areas during the flash. It also includes what appears to be some form of ejected plasma (or something..who knows what) from the object during the flash. This, if hoaxed, required some effort and I can't quite understand the motivation to post up both the long and short version, which only gave the analyst more ammunition in picking it apart - including the names of some of those filmed in the video. I mean, why bother with that if it is indeed hoaxed? Why bother with so much detail? Why bother including the ejection of whatever from the object? I have many other "why bother" questions.

One thing I was going to share earlier on and still find interesting to me personally is that I have personally witnessed two aspects of the fourth video that are somewhat arcane. The first is the flash. Back in the mid 70's I had an nightime experience with this type of intense light while driving down a deserted rural highway in a VW Bug with my father. Imagine that intensity going off right in front of you and then imagine every molecule in your body vibrating, buzzing...here is a description of this experience posted by another experienced person...

I have never been hit by lightening. But if I could imagine what it would feel like, I would say it was like this. It felt as if I had first been punched by a huge, electric fist, right in the gut. The burning, electrical feeling slowly moved down my legs to my feet, out my arms to my fingertips and around my head. Then, I could feel every molecule of my body vibrating. I couldn't move. And I couldn't see because the flash was so bright. I know I could not have tolerated more than a few seconds of this but I swear it felt as if this lasted for several minutes. I assume it couldn't have lasted more than a few seconds. I remember thinking, "I'm DEAD! This is what it feels like to die." I was shaking and burning and I felt like I was vibrating to my very core. The brightness wore off fast. Then, the vibrating and shaking subsided. But I still couldn't move. ~ Deb Jordan-Kauble

I felt this exact thing. The next thing and only detail I remember from this experience is looking out the passenger side window of the car and realizing we we not on solid ground anymore. FWIW...

The second aspect of the forth video I experienced was witnessing "infinite acceleration", the departure of the object. During the same time frame (mid 70's) same highway, same vehicle, I recall waking up in the car and realizing we were parked alongside the road. This was very early morning with the sun just coming up. As I realized we were parked, I looked across the highway (to the west) and notice two objects hovering over a butte about a mile away. I watched them for a few seconds and then then they simply accelerated and took off. I could tell that they didn't just blink out but rather simply went from 0-10,000MPH in the blink of an eye. In fact, if you blinked, it would have appeared that they just disappeared. The last odd thing I can share about this event is disticntly remember thinking to my self, "See you guys later". That's it. So a question. Why bother hoaxing this? Why not just make the object blink out, as this is the more commonly witnessed behavior of sighted UFO's. Why add this if you knew that you used some effect that might be easily detectable as an obvious video effect. I am really curious.

So I find the inclusion of these two aspects of my own personal experiences included in these videos to be quite interesting. Again, a bit arcane. If a hoax, whoever created it included details recognizable in UFO literature recognized by very few people. Here's a bit of a conundrum. Let's hypothesize for a moment that these video's represent a real UFO event. Can we truly know the nature of the flashes/light this objected seemed to generate? I'm reminded of this:



Maybe the explanation for the lack of witnesses close to the dome comes from the possibility that the light it was a "Flash of Forgetfulness". I'm just throwing this out there....if a true event, we simply can't know what the nature of this light might be, how it might effect people or video technology.

Anyways...this is one of two things. The greatest UFO event ever filmed or the greatest UFO video hoax ever perpetrated.

Tricksters...

ETA - One other detail I can include wrt my experience in this particular VW Bug. In the late 70s (79 I think), I visited my father who had moved back to the Olympia area in WA (the original events had occurred north of Spokane) I noticed he still had a VW bug, but the odd thing was, this particular VW had an even coating of thick brown rust in every area where paint should have been. It was if the vehicle had been painted with rust. It was totally even as well, no heavy or light areas of rust. I asked him if this was the same VW he had a few years ago (which was white at the time). He said it was. I asked him how it had gone from white to an even thick brown rust. He replied it was an "art project". I have a suspicion that the vibrating light I experienced affected the paint on this vehicle and caused it to come off completely in all exposed areas.

[wolf ticket]

Thanks for the explanation, Cosmic!

This, if hoaxed, required some effort and I can't quite understand the motivation to post up both the long and short version, which only gave the analyst more ammunition in picking it apart - including the names of some of those filmed in the video. I mean, why bother with that if it is indeed hoaxed? Why bother with so much detail? Why bother including the ejection of whatever from the object? I have many other "why bother" questions.

I completely agree with this sentiment.

[8bitagent]

I have 3 questions I want to ask all of you:

1) While we have footage that has people debating it being a real UFO vs hoax or natural phenomenon, can anyone explain how the daytime Mexico, Spanish and Scottish
footage of giant white worms in the sky and releasing thousands of orbs was faked? I've seen footage of these giant white worm snake creatures from around the world,
even footage from NASA of them floating above the earth's atmosphere. But hardly anyone seems to ever talk about them.

2) While these are probably hoaxes, I have to laugh at the "too small to be a UFO"...obviously these people arent aware of the massive orb phenomenon worldwide.

3) How come there's never been a full on "hey honey, turn on CNN now" 9/11-OJ bronco chase-space shuttle challenger moment on live television of a UFO event?
Phoenix lights allegedly had a 3 mile long cloaked craft where only its lights were visible. We have the famous 1952 UFO armada buzzing the capital in DC.
But there's no footage of the Chicago O'hare UFO, and sadly there always seems to be wiggle room doubt...good footage to entice the viewer, but just enough doubt for the Randyite to say "aha".
...perhaps, this is simply the way of these trickster events. Just enough plausible deniability for people on either side to feel smug.
But when will a UFO event happen that is undeniable?

I believe the Ruwa school event in 1994, the mothman flap, and Dalton "Fire in the sky" event to be 100% genuine events. However, who knows these days what with adobe after effects and such, what videos we see to be "genuine"

I wonder if we'll get that mega mass UFO event in our life times, like out of M Night's Signs. I know I personally witnessed a most bizarre UFO formation event in 1991 that lasted close to an hour.
So I don't doubt people's claims, yet at the same time I too am of the "too good to be true" side of things as well when it comes to this footage.

No doubt tho, in end timer's views...the dome of the rock plays a crucial role and they may do anything to point that out in the future

[Cosmic Cowbell]

So...

Much has been made about the silence (up until now) of the witnesses as pointing to circumstantial evidence of a hoax. Below is the Eligael making his first statement on his video. Interestingly enough, the audio is for some reason not coming through on his account but does on the ANW (yuck) repost. Probably nothing of consequence to this but, it may speak to his "expertness" with digital junk. Or, it's a feint cuz he's a hoaxer. Or, it's simply a glitch. It will most likely be remedied soon enough, but still.

Eligael.


ANW

[hava1]

Just read somewhere that there are experiments in erecting the third temple as a virtual hologram above the al aksa mosque. this could be related.

[barracuda]

hava, I think you may be talking about Yitzhaq Hayutman's plan, which was featured in a 2004 Wired article:

Hayutman wants to set up an array of high-powered, water-cooled lasers and fire them into a transparent cube suspended beneath a blimp. The ephemeral, flickering image, he says, would fulfill an ancient, widely revered Jewish prophecy that the temple will descend from the heavens as a manifestation of light. Hayutman hopes to finance the project with some of the proceeds from a $20 million patent-infringement suit he and his partners have filed against Palm.

The rest of that money would be poured into Hayutman's second idea for jump-starting the end-times: a virtual temple within a massively multiplayer online role-playing game. The goal is for thousands of people to join in its construction on the Web. Hayutman even wants to display progress reports in the floating hologram as a kind of apocalyptic scoreboard.

Whether it's a hologram or a cyberstructure, Hayutman believes that a techno temple does away with the need for a physical building. Under his scheme, Jews and Christians would get a biblically accurate temple without razing the Dome of the Rock.

[hava1]

precisely, thanks didnt remember where I saw it.

WIth Israeli nutjobs I wouldnt rule out anything...

[barracuda]

I think that was a pretty good call, hava. There is certainly an apocalyptic, end-times aspect to the Jerusalem UFO films, and Hayutman's idea of an online game has a whiff of ARG about it. This could be an aspect of virtually realising the third temple descent from the Midrash Rabbah.

I have to say, I get just about absolutely nothing from the video of Eligael. No details, no impressions, no surrounding circumstances, no reflections upon the shitstorm caused by the videos, nothing. He's either the most boring person on earth, or it's a tease. And why did he have to produce the video in english rather than his first tongue? He can just barely be comprehended. But it doesn't matter anyway, I guess, because he has zero to actually say.

[hava1]

whiff of ARG...thanks, i didnt know how to put my brrrrr....in correct terms.


At least one man who peddled this idea lately is an ARG-mossad-sociopath type, and his gang is well into psyops. I think that basically this can be fearmongering and making the other party edgy, paranoid, but without valid cause. so, all in all, I would probably avoid feeding the trolls.(dont know if any of you read about the "mossad Shark" situation in Sinai about two months ago).

However, the social nexus is disturbing, some fundies there with a history of religious violence. As I said, regretfully, I dont trust "my people" to stay within normalcy range, but getting worked up is not good either, could be the whole game.

Time to dust up those immigration plans

[barracuda]

(dont know if any of you read about the "mossad Shark" situation in Sinai about two months ago).

Yeah, I started a thread about that craziness in one of the subforums at the time.

[barracuda]

Aaaaaaaaand... yet another video surfaces: