Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:19 am

justdrew wrote:so all that talk back when they were launching Galileo about how bad just a pound of plutonium would be was all just hype? In fact aerosolized/particularized uranium/pltuonium oxides just disperse in the air and pose little risk. fascinating.



Ditto. I am going to post this one in the lounge thread "asshole quote of the day" or whatever it is called.

In Germany on Wednesday, the Federal Office for Radiation Protection held a news conference that described the threat from the Japanese plume as trifling
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby ninakat » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:24 am

Julia W wrote:More monitoring info found from http://www.zerohedge.com/article/intern ... ng-network

http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
Readings are in uR/hr for Cs137/Co60
Only detectors with readings in the last 24 hours are displayed

And again
http://radiationnetwork.com/
In cpm's (counts per minute) has been updated to include Hawaii- manual readings so far (and potentially Alaska), scroll to bottom of page. Also, there's a link to a message at the top of the homepage.


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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Julia W » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:33 am

ninakat wrote:
Julia W wrote:More monitoring info found from http://www.zerohedge.com/article/intern ... ng-network

http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
Readings are in uR/hr for Cs137/Co60
Only detectors with readings in the last 24 hours are displayed

And again
http://radiationnetwork.com/
In cpm's (counts per minute) has been updated to include Hawaii- manual readings so far (and potentially Alaska), scroll to bottom of page. Also, there's a link to a message at the top of the homepage.


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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Avalon » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:55 am

A useful exercise is to draw a circle with a 50 mile radius, centered on the nuclear reactor closest to you.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:43 am

Wow, the US and pretty much all countries are urging its citizens to leave Japan immediately. As in anywhere in the country
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42124586/ns ... iapacific/

That can't be good for business there. I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering how this will effect Japanese exports.

The latest bullet points sound rather bleak:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42124500/ns ... iapacific/

- Even Tokyo citizens are now leaving Tokyo

- At least 14,000 people thought to be dead

- Officials calling it apocalyptic

- Helicopter water drop on reactors seems to do little

- Major power outage could hit Tokyo soon

The alternative and foreign media is saying Japan has been downplaying the enormity and seriousness of the situation, while others are saying people are overhyping it. Meanwhile I got this punch-to-the-stomach feeling that things will unfold in the next several months that will make the crisis in Japan seem rather tame.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby wintler2 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:47 am

Dr Helen Caldicott: ‘The situation is very grim and not just for the Japanese people’

.. One person who is in no doubt about the seriousness of the incident is prominent anti-nuclear campaigner, Dr Helen Caldicott. Independent Australia spoke exclusively to Dr Caldicott yesterday as she was in transit to Canada to speak at a hearing into a proposal to build four new power plants in Darlington, Ontario.

Dr. Helen Caldicott is perhaps most influential environmental activist in the past 35 years.

She called the situation in Japan was an “absolute disaster” that could be many, many times worse than Chernobyl. Dr Helen Caldicott raised the possibility of cataclysmic loss of life and suggested the emergency could be far more severe than Chernobyl.

“The situation is very grim and not just for the Japanese people,” said Dr Caldicott.

“If both reactors blow then the whole of the Northern Hemisphere may be affected,” she said.

“Only one reactor blew at Chernobyl and it was only 3 months old, with new cores holding relatively little radiation; these ones have been operating for 40 years and would hold about 30 times more radiation than Chernobyl’s.”

Dr Caldicott cited a report from the New York Academy of Sciences, which said that over 1 million people have died as a direct result of the 1986 melt-down at Chernobyl, mostly from cancer. She said authorities had attempted to “hush up” the full scale of the Chernobyl disaster. The official 2005 figure from the International Atomic Energy Agency was just 4,000 fatalities.

The NYAS is a credible 200 year-old scientific institution. Their précis of the report is as follows:

This is a collection of papers translated from the Russian with some revised and updated contributions. Written by leading authorities from Eastern Europe, the volume outlines the history of the health and environmental consequences of the Chernobyl disaster. According to the authors, official discussions from the International Atomic Energy Agency and associated United Nations’ agencies (e.g. the Chernobyl Forum reports) have largely downplayed or ignored many of the findings reported in the Eastern European scientific literature and consequently have erred by not including these assessments.

When asked whether the disaster in Japan could be, say, 30 times worse than Chernobyl, Dr Caldicott said it could be even most catastrophic than that.

“It could be much, much, worse than that,” said Dr Caldicott.

“This could be a diabolical catastrophe—we’ll just have to wait and see.”

Dr Caldicott said any fall-out was unlikely to affect Australia, though the death toll in the northern hemisphere could be severe.

“Australia is probably not going to be affected by fall-out because the northern and southern air masses don’t mix.”

“But in the northern hemisphere, many millions could get cancer”.

Dr Caldicott said that despite the best efforts of nuclear energy campaigners, the Japanese disaster is likely to spell the end of the industry not just in Australia but worldwide.

“We’ve had earthquakes in Australia before—no-one will want to risk this happening in this country.”

“But I think the nuclear industry is finished worldwide.”

“I have said before, unfortunately, the only thing that is capable of stopping this wicked industry is a major catastrophe, and it now looks like this may be it.”

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23744
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:56 am

wintler2 wrote:
Dr Helen Caldicott: ‘The situation is very grim and not just for the Japanese people’

.. One person who is in no doubt about the seriousness of the incident is prominent anti-nuclear campaigner, Dr Helen Caldicott. Independent Australia spoke exclusively to Dr Caldicott yesterday as she was in transit to Canada to speak at a hearing into a proposal to build four new power plants in Darlington, Ontario.

Dr. Helen Caldicott is perhaps most influential environmental activist in the past 35 years.

She called the situation in Japan was an “absolute disaster” that could be many, many times worse than Chernobyl. Dr Helen Caldicott raised the possibility of cataclysmic loss of life and suggested the emergency could be far more severe than Chernobyl.

“The situation is very grim and not just for the Japanese people,” said Dr Caldicott.

“If both reactors blow then the whole of the Northern Hemisphere may be affected,” she said.

“Only one reactor blew at Chernobyl and it was only 3 months old, with new cores holding relatively little radiation; these ones have been operating for 40 years and would hold about 30 times more radiation than Chernobyl’s.”

Dr Caldicott cited a report from the New York Academy of Sciences, which said that over 1 million people have died as a direct result of the 1986 melt-down at Chernobyl, mostly from cancer. She said authorities had attempted to “hush up” the full scale of the Chernobyl disaster. The official 2005 figure from the International Atomic Energy Agency was just 4,000 fatalities.

The NYAS is a credible 200 year-old scientific institution. Their précis of the report is as follows:

This is a collection of papers translated from the Russian with some revised and updated contributions. Written by leading authorities from Eastern Europe, the volume outlines the history of the health and environmental consequences of the Chernobyl disaster. According to the authors, official discussions from the International Atomic Energy Agency and associated United Nations’ agencies (e.g. the Chernobyl Forum reports) have largely downplayed or ignored many of the findings reported in the Eastern European scientific literature and consequently have erred by not including these assessments.

When asked whether the disaster in Japan could be, say, 30 times worse than Chernobyl, Dr Caldicott said it could be even most catastrophic than that.

“It could be much, much, worse than that,” said Dr Caldicott.

“This could be a diabolical catastrophe—we’ll just have to wait and see.”

Dr Caldicott said any fall-out was unlikely to affect Australia, though the death toll in the northern hemisphere could be severe.

“Australia is probably not going to be affected by fall-out because the northern and southern air masses don’t mix.”

“But in the northern hemisphere, many millions could get cancer”.

Dr Caldicott said that despite the best efforts of nuclear energy campaigners, the Japanese disaster is likely to spell the end of the industry not just in Australia but worldwide.

“We’ve had earthquakes in Australia before—no-one will want to risk this happening in this country.”

“But I think the nuclear industry is finished worldwide.”

“I have said before, unfortunately, the only thing that is capable of stopping this wicked industry is a major catastrophe, and it now looks like this may be it.”

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23744


Dear goodness...one of the few times I'm hoping this is of the caliber of cranks on Alex Jones or C2C projecting some fantastical scenario...unfortunately it almost seems like the full scope of the situation is being tamed. Like a New Yorker who had a hard time wrapping their mind around the concept of the towers no longer existing; the idea of Japan as a whole being an inhabitable no man's land is just hard to imagine.

Seeing all the videos on the front page here( http://www.cnn.com/ ) it brought the idea of waking up to a nuclear terror attack on a major US or European city all the more palpable; or something equally horrifying and game changing(be it manmade or natural)
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:28 am

12.14pm: A Tepco official has told a press conference in Japan that radiation levels at the site soon after 9.30 am were at 3,750 millisieverts per hour, Ian Sample has just told me. "These are absolutely dangerous levels," Ian said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... h#block-24


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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby semiconscious » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:37 am

vanlose kid wrote:
12.14pm: A Tepco official has told a press conference in Japan that radiation levels at the site soon after 9.30 am were at 3,750 millisieverts per hour, Ian Sample has just told me. "These are absolutely dangerous levels," Ian said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... h#block-24


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this was just corrected:

1.25pm: In our 12.14pm post we reported that a Tepco official said radiation levels at Fukushima Daiichi soon after 9.30 am "were at 3,750 millisieverts per hour".

This was wrong – the radiation level was actually 3,750 microsiverts per hour – equivalent to 3.75 millisieverts per hour, sincere apologies.


as the struggle for some genuine info continues...
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:40 am

Maybe all the corps who lobby and support nuclear energy plants and make billions in the process, should volunteer to take their turn helping get the plant back under control?

There's an ocean of water at the edge of this plant. All they need are lot's of big pumps. Might not want to eat fish from Japan for a few decades, but that beats letting these storage pools blow.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Avalon » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:28 am

I haven't seen much in the way of discussion about what effect a melt-down this close to the ocean would do to the sea. It's not as if the radiation would stay around in Japanese waters only.

Europe's energy commissioner Günther Oettinger said Wednesday, according to a report in The Daily Telegraph newspaper, that he could not "exclude the worst in hours and days to come."

"There is talk of an apocalypse and I think the word is particularly well-chosen. Practically everything is out of control," he said.


With all the End Times Christians out there, I don't like the word apocalypse being bandied about. Couldn't see much on religious info about Oettinger other than that he was Protestant, but we sure as hell don't need more muddying of the waters.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby tazmic » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:47 am

Avalon wrote:but we sure as hell don't need more muddying of the waters.

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Laodicean » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:28 pm

Radiation From Japan Detected At O’Hare Airport

Updated 03/17/11 – 1:53 p.m.

CHICAGO (CBS) — Trace amounts of radiation from Japan have been detected in Chicago.

As WBBM Newsradio 780′s Mike Krauser reports, travelers coming in from Japan on Wednesday triggered radiation detectors at O’Hare as they passed through customs. Only very small amounts of radiation were detected.

“We are aware of the radiation,” said Chicago Aviation Department spokesman Karen Pride. “We are adding screenings and precautionary measures.”

In one instance, radiation was detected in a plane’s air filtration system. Radiation was also found in luggage and on passengers on flights from Japan.

Mayor Richard M. Daley and other city officials wouldn’t provide any additional details, saying federal authorities were handling the situation.

“Of course the protection of the person coming off the plane is important in regards to any radiation and especially within their families,” Daley said at an unrelated event.

The mayor said the city has no local policy when it comes to detecting radiation at the airports.

“That would be up to the federal government. Every city can’t have a policy. One says yes, one says no, you can’t do that. You have to have a federal policy dealing with anyone entering the country in regards to the situations like that,” Daley said. “And they handle it very professionally and it will be up to Homeland Security. We’ve been working with them. They have the primary responsibility.”

Homeland Security officials would not comment specifically on the radiation at O’Hare. But Customs and Border Protection officials said they are monitoring radiation levels on flights and passengers coming from Japan.

“U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is monitoring developments in Japan carefully and is specifically assessing the potential for radiological contamination associated with the ongoing impact of the earthquake and tsunami to Japan’s nuclear facilities,” CBP spokeswoman Cherise Miles said in an e-mail.

Customs officials said that no aircraft entering the U.S. has tested positive for harmful levels of radiation. Travelers who show signs of radiation sickness are being referred to health authorities for proper treatment.

United Airlines is the largest U.S. carrier to Asia. The airline said it isn’t cutting flights to Asia, but is monitoring the situation in Japan. United uses Tokyo’s Narita airport as a hub for flights further into Asia.

Representatives for the United Airlines Pilots’ Association said, “Our focus right now is the safety of our pilots. And we are working with (United) to make sure that happens. Making sure the crews are re-located to safe hotels outside the 50-mile radiation zone at Narita Airport. And that there are enough replacement crews. Because the crews that are laid over aren’t getting the proper rest.”


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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:49 pm

10.000+ US-Military EVACUATION in Japan March 17, 2011 [its official] Approx 10.000 a Day!




WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST

Some 20,000 US military dependents can leave Japan



WASHINGTON, March 17 | Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:21pm EDT
(Reuters) - Around 20,000 dependents of U.S. military personnel in Japan are eligible for voluntary evacuation under plans announced on Thursday by the Pentagon, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Japan told Reuters.

Families of U.S. military personnel who choose to take part can buy tickets on commercial aircraft and get reimbursement. The military says it may also use its aircraft to fly dependents out of the country, if needed.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:41 pm

Saving face.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

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#2220: Japan turned down an earlier US offer to provide technical support for cooling fuel rods at nuclear reactors hit by a massive earthquake and tsunami, a Japanese newspaper reported on Friday, reports AFP.

#2226: The Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper, quoting a senior official of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan, said the US made the offer immediately after the disaster damaged Fukushima No 1 nuclear plant. According to the unnamed senior official, US support was based on dismantling the troubled reactors run by Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) some 250 km (155 miles) northeast of Tokyo. However, the government and TEPCO thought the cooling system could be restored by themselves. The report has not been independently verified.
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