Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby norton ash » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:04 pm

I don't. Our choice. Guess why?

I'll say I'm sorry again, but having seen too much of the American cable news attitude toward world events in the past few days, I can't hack any more solipsism.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:24 pm

Nordic wrote:Norton something tells me you don't have kids.


Poignant comment, in general.

Having kids changes you. Sometimes drastically.

My view towards my own personal death is one thing (it pretty much resembles the Buddhist perspective).

But when you have a child or children, you can't impose your own perspective of death and suffering on them.

Particularly if the number one objective in your life is their care and quality of life.

If I didn't have my daughter, I'd have a whole other perspective re. relinquishing my space suit sooner than later.

But I'm blessed to have her, so I adopt some concerns, that I normally wouldn't have, bacause of and for her.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:29 pm

I didn't know what the half life was but i love the way 5 days sounds considering that the big dump truck is backing in and emptying itself here...;)

Anybody got a reliable source to try to find out about the reactor status? If there are any that is. I doubt anybody is on site anymore after this stuff went up.

I like to know when they vent.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:18 pm

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_28.html
Extremely high radiation found in soil

Japanese authorities have detected a concentration of a radioactive substance 1,600 times higher than normal in soil at a village, 40 kilometers away from the troubled nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture.

The disaster task force in Fukushima composed of the central and local governments surveyed radioactive substances in soil about 5 centimeters below the surface at 6 locations around the plant from last Friday through Tuesday.

The results announced on Wednesday show that 163,000 becquerels of radioactive cesium-137 per kilogram of soil has been detected in Iitate Village, about 40 kilometers northwest of the plant.

Gakushuin University Professor Yasuyuki Muramatsu, an expert on radiation in the environment, says that normal levels of radioactive cesium-137 in soil are around 100 becquerels at most. The professor says he was surprised at the extremely high reading, which is 1,630 times higher than normal levels.

He warns that since radioactive cesium remains in the environment for about 30 years it could affect agricultural products for a long time. He is calling on the government to collect detailed data and come up with ways to deal with the situation.

Wednesday, March 23, 2011 19:02 +0900 (JST)
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:54 pm

Nordic, I was thinking the same thing about the water, but I got that feeling about 2 days ago. It filters through my fridge currently, but it still doesn't seem right, I've had an uneasy stomach the past couple days (I usually drink about 4-6 full glasses of water a day). I've been thinking about stocking up on a couple 5 gal bottles from a water purifier down in Santa Monica.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:35 pm

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:46 pm

Yeah, I hardly care about myself, but my kids -- different story. I'll protect them any way I can.

My mom died of cancer at 54, had her thyroid removed in her mid 40's due to tumors, reminds me of that woman from Chernobyl. I can't help but wonder what kind of stuff my Mom must have been exposed to at some point in her life.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:47 pm

From the Union of Concerned Scientists:

March 23, 2011

Japan: Squandering the Chance for Orderly Evacuation

| by Ed Lyman | nuclear power | nuclear power safety | Japan nuclear |

Given the large amount of radioactivity that could be released from the damaged reactors and spent-fuel pools at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi facility, the Japanese government was wise to evacuate residents within a 12 mile (20 kilometer) radius of the reactor site.

Unfortunately, the crisis in not over. Given the uncertainty over future releases, we believe Japan should extend that evacuation zone.

On March 16, the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission advised US citizens within a 50 mile radius around the site to evacuate. Despite the US advisory, the Japanese government is still maintaining its current order, which is evacuation only to a distance of 12 miles, and “shelter in place” for those between 12 and about 18 miles from the reactor site. “Shelter in place” means that people are directed to stay indoors and seal their windows and doors.

Our assessment is that the Japanese government is squandering the opportunity to initiate an orderly evacuation from larger areas around the site–especially of sensitive populations, like children and pregnant women. It is potentially wasting valuable time by not undertaking a larger scale evacuation at this time.


http://allthingsnuclear.org/post/404468 ... vacuation#
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:50 pm

Nordic wrote:Yeah, I hardly care about myself, but my kids -- different story. I'll protect them any way I can.

My mom died of cancer at 54, had her thyroid removed in her mid 40's due to tumors, reminds me of that woman from Chernobyl. I can't help but wonder what kind of stuff my Mom must have been exposed to at some point in her life.


I'm not sure if she grew up in the Valley, but my grandpa died of leukemia back in 94, after watching that video of the reactor in simi valley it made me really curious as to the cause. at the least it made me wonder what my father who grew up in the area was exposed to.



Also, that is very interesting though about reactors underneath the pyramids, is there any sound basis for that? Multiple times I have had the thought that our current cycle is not unique and that humans had previously progressed into advanced societies before purposely being crippled by powers greater than ourselves (with no other basis than connect the dot theories). I never thought about the pyramids being used to cover ancient power source (nuclear reactors?), definitely brings a whole new aspect of thought to the table.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:50 pm

Isn't that what they told everyone in WTC 2 on 9/11?

“Shelter in place” ie 'time to head for the hills'.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:07 pm

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-nu ... sis-2011-3

Concrete is being poured into the dangerous spent fuel rod pool at reactor #4.


Meanwhile:

-At approximately 10:00 am on March 23rd, we started spraying water to Unit 4 using the concrete pumping vehicle.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-co ... 303-e.html


So I'm not sure which one to believe.



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Throwing this link in there for good measure:
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/23/f ... -22-march/
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:21 pm

And:

Breaking news on NHK at 7pm ET: Smoke/steam rising from all 4 reactor units — Workers evacuated (VIDEO)
March 23rd, 2011 at 07:13 PM


http://enenews.com/nhk-at-7pm-et-smokes ... ated-video

Restoration at nuke plant disrupted, radiation fears spread to Tokyo

TOKYO, March 23, Kyodo

Work to restore power and key cooling functions was disrupted again Wednesday at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant as smoke caused workers to evacuate, while fear of radioactive pollution spread to Tokyo with an alert not to give tap water to infants.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano urged residents of areas under the wind from the plant to stay indoors and avoid exposure to air as much as possible as a precaution, while official advisories are for people within a 20-kilometer radius to evacuate and within 20 km to 30 km to stay indoors.

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http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80532.html
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:23 pm

No Radiation Threat Says Media: Reporters Pulled out of Japan Meanwhile, Frightened Investors in USA and Europe Seek Protection
by Keith Harmon Snow / March 23rd, 2011

Reporting about the nuclear crises in Japan and around the world is getting curiouser and curiouser. Western media are heavily downplaying the threat of radiation in what amounts to an Alice in Wonderland fable of disinformation straight out of the rabbit hole.

Worried about profits and the the destabilization of the YEN and NIKKEI Index, the media is doing damage control to help keep people from flooding out of Japan and further destabilizing the Japanese economy. Given the evidence, the history of disasters and epidemics of disease, reporting that downplays Japan’s radiation threat is criminal.

Meanwhile, back in the U.S.A., frightened investors are seeking protections and insurances from industry and government. Wall Street is worried. This is getting curiouser and curiouser.


The irony: "art project" photographed in Tokyo depicts humans in states of decay, resembling images of children with deformed limbs born near Chernobyl. © Keith Harmon Snow, 1992
For example, on 20 March 2011, CNN ran a video story, “Facts whisper, fears scream during crises,” where their experts proclaim that fears of radiation are unfounded and misinformation abounds. CNN’s latest nuclear expert — Dan Polansky — calls this radiophobia: an irrational fear of radiation with no basis in fact. Even for the Japanese nuclear workers who are closest to the Fukushima hot zone, says CNN reporter Stan Grant, “radiation might make people sick, but it won’t kill them.”

Meanwhile, CNN describes Dan Polansky as a “nuclear expert”, who “specializes in weapons of mass destruction and knows about radiation.” What they don’t tell us is that Polansky works for the Georgia (USA) Department of Community Health, he studied at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) and the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory (INEL), and is a recent graduate of Radiological Emergency Planning at the Harvard School of Public Health.

Pretty good credentials, no doubt. Must be telling the truth. [Quack.]

However, LLNL and INEL are two of the Department of Energy and Department of Defense top classified weapons laboratories, both also SUPERFUND sites of massive toxic nuclear waste. Work at national laboratories like INEL and LLNL requires high-level national security clearances: it looks like Daniel Polansky is another spook.

The Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) has produced some studies that show some incidence of disease around the Yankee Rowe reactor (Rowe, MA, U.S.A.), which is now decommissioned; but they have also helped to whitewash nuclear (and other) risks of modern day society.

This is indeed very curious.

The Harvard Center for Risk Analysis (HCRA) was founded by John D. Graham and specializes in advocating forms of risk-assessment widely criticized by community groups and legitimate health professionals. The Center gained funds from both industry and government agencies, including nuclear interests like: General Electric, the Edison Electric Institute, Electric Power Research Institute, New England Electric System (at least five nukes on the New England power grid) and Westinghouse Electric. GE and Westinghouse are two of the U.S.A.’s biggest nuke companies, and EPRI is a pro-nuke think tank that has produced propaganda about nukes for more than four decades.

Harvard School of Public Health and the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis are not the same thing. Harvard School of Public Health supports the nuclear industry and helps to downplay radiation threats at many levels. However, Harvard Center for Risk Analysis is an industry front producing junk science — spurious information posited as science — and debunking truth everywhere in the corporate media.

Looking a little deeper down the rabbit hole we find, for one curious example, that David Ropeik is an Instructor in the Harvard University School of Continuing Education, Environmental Management program. Ropeik is also a former affiliate at the Harvard Center for Risk Assessment (which he says he left in 2004).

According to his own public relations biography advertised on the BAYER CropScience web page [Bayer is the big German multinational pharmaceutical corporation], Ropeik has also worked closely with the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and he “has been interviewed on risk perception by ABC Nightline, National Public Radio, NBC Dateline, ABC 20/20, Fox News, CNN, CNN International, BBC, CBC, CNBC, Voice of America, and dozens of regional radio stations nationwide.”

He has also “taught courses on media coverage of risk issues at the Harvard School of Public Health, the Kennedy School of Government, the Neiman Fellowship Program at Harvard, the Knight Science Journalism Fellowship program at MIT, Boston University’s Program in Science Journalism, the Emerson College program in Health Communication, and to the National Association of Science Writers, the Council for the Advancement of Science Writers, and the Society of Environmental Journalists.”

A long-time member of the Society of Environmental Journalists, David Ropeik is now a private consultant in Risk Perception, Risk Communication, and Risk Management with Ropeik & Associates, whose nuclear clients include Entergy Power Corporation (owns the dangerously unsafe Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Station), Edison Electric Institute, the Electric Power Research Institute, the American Nuclear Society, the Egyptian Nuclear Authority, the International Atomic Energy Agency, the Nuclear Institute, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health (who did a study on the incidence of disease on the radiation ‘pathways’ from the Yankee Rowe Nuclear Power Station), The Veterans Board for Dose Reconstruction, Department of Defense, and etc., and etc., and etc.

“Risk is a subjective affair,” reads the home page of Ropeik & Associates. “It’s not just a matter of the facts, but also how those facts feel. Understanding why some risks feel more frightening, and some less, is essential for communicating about risk effectively, and for tackling the human behavioral aspects of overall risk management.”

As far as the Society of Environmental Journalists, this is just another trade industry group, like any ‘Society of Professional This-or-That’, which maintains deep ties to industry and the media corporations that have censored and distorted the truth about radiation, nuclear weapons and nuclear power. For example, a look at their sponsors and foundation donors quickly leads to a large list of corporate interests, including nuclear corporations.

What a curious world we live in.

Given that there is “so little threat from radiation” in Japan, it is very curious that NBC pulled their entire news team out of Japan. Curiously, it seems that CNN’s Anderson Cooper also pulled out of Japan — and who could blame him! — and is now reporting on Libya from somewhere else (Hong Kong?).

On March 20, 2011, Japanese Officials confirmed radiation food poisoning. “Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said checks of milk from Fukushima prefecture, where the plant is located, and of spinach grown in Ibaraki, a neighbouring prefecture, surpassed limits set by the government… It was the government’s first report of food being contaminated by radiation since the March 11 quake and tsunami unleashed the nuclear crisis.”

Thousands of U.S. military families have also been evacuated from Japan under the U.S. Department of Defense ‘voluntary evacuation’ program initiated because of radiation concerns.

Meanwhile, on March 19, 2011 financial media began reporting that U.S. investors seeing the nuclear industry in Japan crash, burn and melt are frightened of Financial Losses due to Boring Utility Debt.

Curiouser and curiouser.

“Investors are seeking protection from a public backlash against nuclear power producers as the threat from earthquake-damaged reactors in Japan stokes calls by U.S. lawmakers to limit plants in this nation,” reported Bloomberg News.

“Utility companies, typically considered a haven among credit investors because of their resilience in economic downturns, are being punished as Tokyo Electric Power Co. struggles to cool damaged reactors. Environmental groups want limits on U.S. nuclear plants, and Representative Edward Markey is seeking a moratorium on facilities in seismically active areas. Nuclear-power executives say the nation’s reactors can withstand such disasters.”

Behind the scenes, corporations and money markets managers and futures investors are swapping debt portfolios and jockeying to maximize profits and minimize losses.

While the people of Japan suffer the fate of massive radiation emissions — ‘leaks’ is another term invested by the industry and used by media to downplay the invisible radiation dispersed near any reactor — the utility companies are portrayed as the victims. Utility companies are “being punished” and “investors seeking protection” are now the victims.

Curiouser, and curiouser, and curiouser.

For a detailed look at disinformation and nuclear deceptions, please read “Nuclear Apocalypse in Japan.”
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby anothershamus » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:39 pm

As far as I have seen, with all the monitoring sites, public and private, things on the West Coast (Where I am!) are ok for now. A main reason is that it's not going very high into the atmosphere. If something really blew and got way up (like Chernobyl) we might get some bad shit, but that ocean is pretty big and better yet, dynamic! It churns the atmosphere, and wind and rain combine to wash out a lot of the bad stuff. We shouldn't be too concerned yet......later on, maybe. Let's go by the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy's cover DON'T PANIC! There is time for that later. Also SHIT HAPPENS! Gotta factor that in.

What we should be worried about is the 7+ shaker some are saying will hit soon, and the rumor is SATURDAY!

Get the Go Bag! Or make sure the bunker is stocked, and chill out with some dvd's and snack food for the Apocalypse, (The stuff you wouldn't EVER eat but for the end of the world!) and RELAX!
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby anothershamus » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:27 pm

norton ash wrote:I don't. Our choice. Guess why?

I'll say I'm sorry again, but having seen too much of the American cable news attitude toward world events in the past few days, I can't hack any more solipsism.



Want some Rant and Good Info watch this!

It get's really good around 6 min! Then it only gets better! Watch Stacy Herbert try to keep it together! This will lighten your day!

On Edit: Just watch the first part with Stacy and Max. The Joe Weisenthal bit goes back and forth but I like Max on this one. But the best bits were up to 12:55.

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