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Postby Plutonia » Wed May 04, 2011 12:36 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
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Searcher08 wrote:...monomania verging on autism, and social darwinism are consciously employed as standard operating procedures.

Hey, don't hate on the autists! We are virtually unemployable- only 15% according to UK stats. If American war workers are emotionally shut down, it's probably due to some other condition. Mkay?


^^ I think you were responding to Searcher08's poetry.

moving on...

(he he .. thanks for the opportunity. I think turn about is fair play - and usually makes points the fastest.)
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C_W, I'll tell you because I guess you are unaware, and i don't mean to offend - public displays of affection (PDA'S) tend to make autists, me in this case, uncomfortable. I appreciate that you are attempting to connect with me, but to do that does not require love hearts, in fact they get in the way. And no, I'm not a sociopath, just an autist who requires emotional space so as not to be overwhelmed. Thanks.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 04, 2011 12:41 pm

Plutonia wrote:
Canadian_watcher wrote:
Plutonia wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:...monomania verging on autism, and social darwinism are consciously employed as standard operating procedures.

Hey, don't hate on the autists! We are virtually unemployable- only 15% according to UK stats. If American war workers are emotionally shut down, it's probably due to some other condition. Mkay?


^^ I think you were responding to Searcher08's poetry.

moving on...

(he he .. thanks for the opportunity. I think turn about is fair play - and usually makes points the fastest.)
:lovehearts: (seriously, love hearts!)

edit: Searcher, I know this post seems odd but it's kind of an inside thing with Plutonia and me so don't take it personally! You are an innocent bystander. :D

C_W, I'll tell you because I guess you are unaware, and i don't mean to offend - public displays of affection (PDA'S) tend to make autists, me in this case, uncomfortable. I appreciate that you are attempting to connect with me, but to do that does not require love hearts, in fact they get in the way. And no, I'm not a sociopath, just an autist who requires emotional space so as not to be overwhelmed. Thanks.


take a load off, fanny.

edit.. ok darn it, is it Anne or Fanny? I always that it was annie, but the online search is telling me otherwise.
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Postby norton ash » Wed May 04, 2011 12:42 pm

Man, the 'death photo' controversy... what a waste of time. Like a photo or video has any more worth in this world than a ballpoint sketch on a napkin.

Or that gentlefolk couldn't hack a headshot photo in a culture like ours.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 04, 2011 12:44 pm

norton ash wrote:Man, the 'death photo' controversy... what a waste of time. Like a photo or video has any more worth in this world than a ballpoint sketch on a napkin.

Or that gentlefolk couldn't hack a headshot photo in a culture like ours.


exactly. oh the theatre of it all!
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby Searcher08 » Wed May 04, 2011 1:12 pm

Plutonia wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:...monomania verging on autism, and social darwinism are consciously employed as standard operating procedures.

Hey, don't hate on the autists! We are virtually unemployable- only 15% according to UK stats. If American war workers are emotionally shut down, it's probably due to some other condition. Mkay?


I don't hate on the autists! (I'm a mix of NT and Aspie traits); don't see monomania as necessarily bad, just in this context it's seems to be highly focused on one's ego rather than something noble, if that makes sense?
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed May 04, 2011 1:13 pm

norton ash wrote:Man, the 'death photo' controversy... what a waste of time. Like a photo or video has any more worth in this world than a ballpoint sketch on a napkin.

Or that gentlefolk couldn't hack a headshot photo in a culture like ours.


What good would a death photo do with half of his head purportedly blown off?
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Postby barracuda » Wed May 04, 2011 1:21 pm

It's not about proof, veracity or authenticity, obviously. The photo will be released as a grisly trophy for the serial killer culture to rally their macabre dances around.
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed May 04, 2011 1:23 pm

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Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed May 04, 2011 1:26 pm

Day of the Dead: The Hit Man as Hero

Written by Chris Floyd
Wednesday, 04 May 2011 16:08

Already the story is starting to unravel, mutate, transmogrify. Government statements that were presented as gospel truths in every media outlet in the world, and which served as the basis for ten thousand earnest, serious commentaries, turn out, one day later, to have been false.

We had been told – by the president’s top “counterterrorism adviser,” John Brennan – that Osama had been “engaged in a firefight” when he was gunned down by American agents. This was not true; it turns out that he was unarmed when they shot him in the head. We were told that the base coward used his wife as a human shield while he pumped hot lead at America’s boys. This was not true. There were no human shields – although Obama’s wife was shot in the leg, while another woman, wife to a bin Laden aide, was shot and killed by the agents.

Of course, even these new officially released “facts” must be taken with a grain of salt, since they spring from the same impenetrable murk of the security apparat from whence the original story of the raid emerged. Will these new details change tomorrow?

(Meanwhile, actual reporters doing actual reporting independently uncovered another falsehood in the first story: the compound that was raided in Abbottabad was not a “million-dollar mansion,” but a rather ordinary house in a middle-class area, worth about $250,000.)

In any case, we are told by the Fightin’ Patriotic Progressives who now stand foursquare behind the apparat that we should not trouble our little heads over these “discrepancies.” Such things are to be expected in the “fog of war.” (But didn’t the president and his national security team – including John Brennan – actually watch the raid unfold on live video feed? Didn’t Brennan see what happened with his own eyes?)

Or if not fog, then the original misinformation can be put down to “subconscious” mythologizing, as Digby tells us. ("I think it was mythologizing for the sake of mythologizing, even if it was subconscious.") Our leaders wanted an old-fashioned cowboy shoot-out for the big climax of the bin Laden story, and so, somehow, the counterterrorism chief of the United States just, you know, subconsciously rearranged the facts to fit the myth. But as Digby sternly warns us: “Let's not get stupid. The fact that they embellished doesn't mean it didn't happen.” That’s true; but “the fact that they embellished” does mean that we would be, well, stupid to accept anything that belches forth from the Secret State at face value.

I don’t mean to pick on Digby; but the post linked above serves as an almost perfect example of the moral schizophrenia that has gripped the progressive movement since the advent of Obama. At one point, she rightly notes that no one would have been bothered if the Administration had admitted from the start that bin Laden was unarmed when they killed him. As she says, the assassination scenario was duly praised by such rock-ribbed liberal icons as Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert; and she notes, astutely, “I don't think there's any political downside, and in fact it probably makes them look more macho in the eyes of the people.”

(Indeed; all manner of liberals have been exulting in the new image of Obama the Heroic Hit Man. For example, Juan Cole and James Wolcott – both long-time scourges of the witless, brutal militarism of the Bush Regime – posted up a lolcat-style photo of a cool, grinning Obama in shades, emblazoned with the tagline, “Sorry it took so long to get you a copy of my birth certificate – I was too busy killing Osama bin Laden.”)

Digby then goes on to offer up another telling – and damning – insight:

Besides, the question of whether the president could order an assassination was settled some time ago. They assert the right to keep prisoners in jail forever and kill American citizens, and nobody cares, so why in the world would there be any domestic blowback for ordering the death of the world's most wanted man?

Here is where the schizophrenia sets in. It is obvious, from this and other posts, that Digby is horrified and outraged at Obama’s open claim of this universal license to kill and imprison with impunity. That is, she fully recognizes that the United States government is led by a man who believes he can murder anyone he pleases, at any time, at his own arbitrary decision. She knows that he has used this power over and over, most extensively in Pakistan, where even by the most conservative estimates hundreds of innocent people – including many women and children – have been killed in Obama’s drone missile campaign.

She knows, in other words, that Obama has killed hundreds of innocent people. Hundreds of innocent people. Little children, women, old folks, young marrieds, fathers, mothers, teenagers – he has killed them in their own homes, in the streets of their villages, in their cars, at their weddings and funerals and birthday parties and family gatherings, raining down missiles, without warning, with no way to escape, no defense, killed them, the babies, the children, the old, the sick, ripped their bodies to shreds, buried them under rubble, tore off their heads, set them on fire to die in the purest agony. She knows this. She decries this. She believes it is wrong. Yet the general thrust of her widely read blog is that this man who does these things, who commits these horrors, who claims these murderous, tyrannous powers, should, at all costs, be retained in power so that he can carry on doing these things which sicken and horrify her.

But this is not simply a case of lesser evilism in a system where all the alternatives are grim – i.e., “Well, Göring is a monster but he’s probably marginally better than Hitler; let’s support a bloody coup to install him as Führer”. No; Digby and many other progressives whose writings show they are perfectly aware of the atrocities that Obama has committed and the evil policies he embraces – such as the unrestricted license to kill – still display an active affection and celebratory support for him. To them, even though he has killed these people and claimed these awful powers, he is still one cool guy.

Witness their delight at Obama’s comedy routine at the Correspondent’s Dinner last week, when he poked fun at the pathetic Donald Trump, garnering big yocks from the Beltway elite – even as NATO missiles were killing three young grandchildren of Moamar Gadafy: more child sacrifices offered up on the altar of our modern Molochs. They didn't even notice.

Oh, they often shake their heads sadly or waggle their fingers sternly at some action or policy of Obama’s. They often can’t understand why he does these things – cut taxes for the rich, bail out the bankers, torture Bradley Manning, form commissions to gut Social Security, escalate and prolong the Terror War, kill hundreds of people with drone missiles, etc., etc. But nothing douses their fundamental (fundamentalist?) fervor to keep him in power and to scorn those who oppose him. Nothing keeps them from seeing themselves as his true and faithful "base," still waiting for him to return to them, despite his many betrayals. (Subconscious betrayals, no doubt.)

And we can expect more encomiums to the president’s eloquence and heroism from these quarters on Thursday, when, with the good taste and tact so characteristic of our bipartisan ruling class, Obama goes to the site of the 9/11 attacks in New York City to celebrate the shooting of an unarmed man in the head.

Yes, the president of the United States, accompanied by various Establishment worthies and doubtless a few dignified clerics, will stand at Ground Zero to glorify a killing that his own minions tell us will change nothing whatsoever: the wars will go on, “vigilance will be redoubled” (i.e., civil liberties will continue to be eroded, black ops will continue in the 70 countries or more where America is carrying out covert operations), the Secret State will keep growing, the universal license to kill and snatch and incarcerate and torture will remain in full force. So what exactly is being celebrated?

A cynic – or someone being skeptically “stupid” in the Digbyian sense – might say the occasion is more exploitation than celebration: exploiting the grief of the families of 9/11 survivors who will be trotted out to express their tearful gratitude to the president who has given them “closure” – and who will reap the poll bounce from this moment of “national unity,” just as his predecessor rode a similar exploitation of death to his own re-election.

Oh, but let us not be stupid. Let us acknowledge that the president kills innocent people and “asserts the right to keep prisoners in jail forever and kill American citizens” and puts out false information (subconsciously, of course! Always subconsciously!) about murky operations which we must take on faith like dutiful subjects in militarized state, not fully-fledged citizens in a republic – but let us still revel in his triumphs, delight in his eloquence, and work with all our strength to make sure he continues to invert, pervert and subvert every progressive value we hold dear.

That’s not “stupid” at all, is it?
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Postby Luther Blissett » Wed May 04, 2011 1:28 pm

This is all just driving more and more norms and regs into "conspiracy theory," further obfuscating real issues and clouding the ability to run a check on power.
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Postby American Dream » Wed May 04, 2011 1:33 pm

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/othe ... 78729.html

Geronimo nothing like Osama bin Laden

* Article by: SUSAN HOGAN , Star Tribune
* Updated: May 3, 2011 - 5:52 PM

Apache Nation says U.S. government smeared the name of their hero.
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Apache chief Geronimo, right, and other tribal members in 1886.



Earth to President Obama: The Apache Nation thinks you and the U.S. military are sorely in need of diversity training – and that’s putting it mildly.

Tribal members are offended that the U.S. code name for the mission to capture Osama bin Laden was "Geronimo," an Apache hero whom they insist was never a terrorist.

"It’s insulting and hurtful," said Vernon Petago, a member of the Jicarillia Apache Tribe at the northern tip of New Mexico. "What were they thinking? They applied a respected Apache leader’s name to the most despicable terrorist in the world."

U.S. officials haven’t yet said why the name was chosen. But they’ve made clear that when U.S. special forces reported the news of bin Laden’s death to the Obama administration, the message was: "Geronimo EKIA" (enemy killed in action).

"Linking Geronimo’s name to bin Laden was uncalled for," Petago said. "As a Native American, I resent it. It sounds like the people in government are ignorant of our history – or maybe they just don’t care."

Some historians say Geronimo was a nickname first given by Mexico soldiers to Goyahkla, a 19th century Native American chief who fought to prevent the U.S. and Mexico from overtaking tribal lands.

The military saw him as a murderous thug who targeted white settlers. Today, some historians view him as a leader trying desperately to save his people. He eluded capture for nearly three decades.

"Geronimo was a respected leader of the Apache people," Petago said. "He did everything to help his people survive. They tried to live in peace, but the military kept harassing and terrorizing them."

Susan Hogan is Star Tribune editorial writer.
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Postby Plutonia » Wed May 04, 2011 1:43 pm

Searcher08 wrote:
Plutonia wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:...monomania verging on autism, and social darwinism are consciously employed as standard operating procedures.

Hey, don't hate on the autists! We are virtually unemployable- only 15% according to UK stats. If American war workers are emotionally shut down, it's probably due to some other condition. Mkay?


I don't hate on the autists! (I'm a mix of NT and Aspie traits); don't see monomania as necessarily bad, just in this context it's seems to be highly focused on one's ego rather than something noble, if that makes sense?
Ah. I see. Just got a bit put out seeing autism lumped in with sociopathic behaviour, freedom from basic human empathy, social darwinism and SOP in a sentence about the business of war. Carry on.
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Postby American Dream » Wed May 04, 2011 1:55 pm

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ME05Ak02.html

THE ROVING EYE
Show us the shooter
By Pepe Escobar


Show us the Navy SEALs hero who did the double-tapping on Osama bin Laden - the one-two in the head to make sure the target of a hit job is out - after a "firefight" the signs of which are virtually absent in that squalid "mansion" in Abbottabad.

Show us the greatest hero of modern American history, the man who shot America's public enemy number one, the most evil terrorist in the history of the Universe who masterminded the most spectacular attack of all time against the US.

Parade him on Ground Zero and in downtown Manhattan, give him a row of Purple and rainbow-colored Hearts, make him a partner of Goldman Sachs, get him on Oprah, Rush and Anderson Cooper, induct him into the Rock'n Roll Hall of Fame.

If you're Republican, make him run for president; unlike Donald "that fox on his head" Trump or Sarah "I can see Pakistan from my house" Palin, he would actually turn President Barack Obama into collateral damage. Or at least crown him secretary of defense - supreme purveyor of the targeted assassination as the paramount tool of international diplomacy.

Take two
Rewind to the cliffhanger scene in all its Hi-Def glory - broadcast live to the situation room in Washington.

The hero, fully equipped, pumped up, is face to face with the real Osama bin Laden, unarmed, just out of bed, trapped in a drab room. There's no possible escape; the whole compound is "secured". This is it - the moment America has been dreaming about since September 11, 2001.

The rehearsal took place hundreds of times before during the everlasting "war on terror". The procedure was to immobilize the suspect, put a bag over his head, transfer him to a helicopter (there were three outside, one had already crashed), then to a military base, and then, in an orange jumpsuit, straight to Gitmo.

Now the hero is face to face with the man who caused the "war on terror" itself to exist. And what does he do? Not a shot in the arm, leg or knee. Not even a casually tossed stun grenade. No extraordinary rendition - what is this good for anyway if it does not apply to public enemy number one?

The hero double-taps the fugitive - codename "Geronimo" (a native who defied the Empire; talk about defiling native-Americans once again). This is the way the biggest, costliest manhunt ever ends; not with a prolonged bang, but with two golden bullets. Good guy snuffs bad guy. Dirty Harry snuffs the punk.

So no one in the world will ever know. How "Geronimo" became a Central Intelligence Agency asset - and how the "friendship" developed during the 1980s. How he escaped from Tora Bora - or how the Pentagon let him escape. How he lived in Pakistan all these years, undisturbed. Why did he "hate us".

And most of all how he "masterminded" 9/11. Which branch - or branches, or individuals - of the US intelligence network knew about it in advance, and let it happen. How a bunch of Arabs with box-cutters and crappy flying skills turned jets into missiles and destroyed the Twin Towers (plus building 7) and a chunk of the mighty Pentagon.

Who in the world would dare not to be glued for months to the most stirring trial of all time?

There are reasons to believe the entities - the system - that arranged the hit would not be very pleased. So the verdict is guilty as (not) charged - and termination by a bullet in the head. It's never been so easy to create a wasteland and call it "justice".

As for the rest of us, we'll spend the rest of our lives in the dark.

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. His new book, just out, is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).
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Postby One Dog Watching » Wed May 04, 2011 2:17 pm

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I always think of how the spirit of the 60's and 70's anti war movement is nowhere to be found in today's college youth; partly because of technology distractions but also perhaps the lack of a draft


This is the programmed-since-birth generation. Notice in the article I posted a few pages back, a scene is described where Millennials leap to their feet during class at the news of Bin Laden's death, throw down their books and run off to the grassy lawn of the WH to celebrate. Make no mistake…they didn't do all that because they've been waiting on pins and needles for this day…they did it because it's what's happening NOW. They have to be "RIGHT NOW" or they are nothing. It doesn't matter what it is that's happening, it just has to be NOW and it has to be what everyone else is doing. It's the cost of being "constantly connected".

and the quote:

Since the news of bin Laden's death has sunk in, the celebrating has wound down but a sense of hope prevails, which author and historian Neil Howe says is a very Millennial take on life.

He likens the news of bin Laden's death to that of the villain in the popular Harry Potter books.

"It's like Voldemort is dead," Howe says. "It's a Harry Potter world. For this generation, there's either pure evil or pure good. There's no anti-hero. They're out to get rid of these terrible forces and have a celebration. A happy ending. This is very defining for their generation. They've supplied the young troops who've been over there fighting for their lives."


This guy Howe has been cheerleading this generation in such a manner for over a decade. He wrote the book on them, "Millennials Rising", and he really seems to love talking about them. He's usually included in all articles about them, and he's usually saying they are the future of this or that, or simply, "Millennials are like this: (fill in the blank with whatever he needs to them to be)", as he did with the ludicrous Harry Potter comparison above. They outnumber the baby boomers 2 to 1, I believe, so whatever he says they are at any given point, it's whatever is most needed to prop up the currently running Official Narrative.

The "most connected generation" is also the one most likely to take the ball and run with it when the MSM, through those connections, tells them that A is true and B is false. You would think there would be tons of them with burning questions and conspiracy theories galore…but no, "My app says otherwise, dude." Most of them think this kind of stuff is ridiculous, from my experience.

Usually youth is associated with rebellion and questioning. I think this generation was so sufficiently terrorized/imprinted at such an early age with 9/11, they're fine with whatever the PTB decide.
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