OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

[Brentos]

John Ashcroft has just joined Xe, as an ethics advisor.

That's a pretty timely announcement.

[eyeno]

nevermind. i just answered my own question.

[82_28]

Good ones by both Floyd and Escobar. Thanks guys! Poor Digby, I've long loved her, but she simply will not ply herself from Democratic establishment.

I still think we can have some effect on the conventional skepticism of people. A number of people who would be otherwise buying this bullshit hook line and sinker have already begun their trip down "RI road" and are getting to me before I get to them with ideas,
"wtfs", "just like clockwork" etc statements over text, IM, email etc.

At work when the news broke I asked my customers if they "partied down" the night before with the news of bin Laden. People would say shit like, "we finally got him". I would just respond without getting into it, "total bullshit" and then move onto a sports topic or something. End of story. I don't know if it works in all cases, but any time anybody brings topics such as this up, just say "total fucking bullshit" and move on to something else. Since most aren't thinking as deeply as we do here about such things, them hearing you in a trusted position saying "total fucking bullshit" could help in keeping them inoculated. I don't know.

[82_28]

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They show you the wounds, and still ye doubt!

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I posted this on the first page:

St. Thomas Sunday is so called because the Gospel reading always relates the story of "Doubting Thomas," in which Thomas the Apostle comes to believe in the Resurrection of Jesus only after being told by the resurrected Christ to place his finger in the nail marks and his hand in His side.[citation needed] In the Gospel accounts, this event takes place on the eighth day after the Resurrection, hence their significance for this Sunday (John 20:19-29).

The name "Low Sunday" is sometimes said to derive from its relative unimportance compared to the solemnities of Easter Day, but it is possible that "low" is a corruption of the Latin word Laudes, the first word of the Sequence of the day: "Laudes Salvatori voce modulemur supplici" (Let us sing praises to the Savior with humble voice).[citation needed]

Traditionally, the newly-baptised would receive baptismal gowns that would be worn until this day, and the official Latin name is Dominica in Albis [Depositis], "Sunday in [Setting Aside the] White Garments". Hence "White" and "Alb" Sunday—which is also the etymology of Whitsunday (Pentecost).[citation needed]
[edit] The Feast of the Divine Mercy

Divine Mercy Sunday is the culmination of the novena to the Divine Mercy of Jesus, a devotion given to St. Faustina (Maria Faustina Kowalska) and is based upon an entry in her diary stating that anyone who participates in the Mass and receives the sacraments of Confession and the Eucharist on this day is assured by Jesus of full remission of their sins and punishments. The devotion was actively promoted by Pope John Paul II, who canonized St. Faustina and designated the Sunday after Easter as the Sunday of the Divine Mercy (Dominica II Paschae seu de divina misericordia) in the General Roman Calendar.[citation needed] John Paul II, who died in April 2005 on the vigil of Divine Mercy Sunday, was beatified on Divine Mercy Sunday, May 1, 2011, by his successor, Pope Benedict XVI.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octave_of_Easter

Pope John Paul was sainted today as well. . .

[tazmic]

"If he had surrendered, attempted to surrender, I think we should obviously have accepted that, but there was no indication that he wanted to do that and therefore his killing was appropriate," Holder said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/05/20115418631882612.html

[Laodicean]

John Ashcroft has just joined Xe, as an ethics advisor.

That's a pretty timely announcement.

We need more Bin Ladens to kill, John. You're the right man for the job!

"We are ecstatic and honored to have Attorney General Ashcroft join the USTC team. His relevant experience, unparalleled reputation for integrity and personal commitment to ethics, transparency, and excellence make him a valuable addition to the Company."


http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/ ... moref_face

[tazmic]

Why the truth will out but doesn’t sink in.

Research shows that even when news reports have been retracted, and we are aware of the retraction, our beliefs are largely based on the initial erroneous version of the story. This is particularly true when we are motivated to approve of the initial account.

http://mindhacks.com/2011/05/04/why-the-truth-will-out-but-doesnt-sink-in/

More recent studies have supported the remarkable power of first strike news. The emotional impact of the first version has little influence on its power to persuade after correction, and the misinformation still has an effect even when it is remembered more poorly than the retraction.

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And no pictures, but at least they thought about it...

[Bruce Dazzling]

Has anyone seen or heard any reports that anyone at Che Bin Laden had any weapons whatsoever? I mean, other than the visiting Navy Seals, of course.

This seems to be a pretty important question since the company line is that this was a "legally justified" killing.

Bursting into a house and shooting a bunch of the dwellers, one of them in the head, would seem to be more than a bit drastic considering the only justification I've seen so far is that "he indicated that he would not be taken alive," and that "he had made no attempt to surrender."

He made no attempt to surrender? What the fuck does that even mean, anyway? Does it mean that he didn't put his hands in the air? Oh dear, better blow off the top of his head even though if we capture him he could (supposedly) give us TONS of valuable information.

Yeah, THAT makes perfect sense...

[Nordic]

Just watching CNN for a bit, to see what the latest scripted "news" is. And my god it is so transparently scripted now it's really kind of a joke.

They're making a "controversy" over the decision to not release the photos.

The entire "controversy" is to reinforce the notion that there ARE INDEED PHOTOS.

I don't want to start sounding like HMW here, but this shit is transparent. I write scripts, and I can see what they're doing.

Right now it's "gosh, Panetta thought the photos were gonna be released. He's surprised Obama didn't release them. Why weren't Panetta and Obama on the same page??"

Also: "Gosh, these photos could get leaked anyway, out of the control of the White House or anyone else. In this day and age, these things could get leaked!"

No. Because there are no photos.

Over and over. They hit each point three times, once with the anchorperson, once with the "correspondent" on location, then once again to reinforce the whole idea.

Which fits into the thing my Dad said they teach you in the military -- "tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em. Tell 'em. Then tell 'em what you've told them."

[Brentos]

The story is they whacked OBL. Now if we are the beacon of justice and truth is on our side, and we are over there to promote these ideals to make the world a safer and better place... Then why not take him in alive (the stories are they wanted him dead), put him to trial, and show the world his guilt and why western justice rocks? This would be a sane political decision too, if you believe the hype.

[Nordic]

and think of the book deal he could have gotten!

[ninakat]

Now that's more like it.

[Bruce Dazzling]

Just watching CNN for a bit, to see what the latest scripted "news" is. And my god it is so transparently scripted now it's really kind of a joke.

They're making a "controversy" over the decision to not release the photos.

The entire "controversy" is to reinforce the notion that there ARE INDEED PHOTOS.

I don't want to start sounding like HMW here, but this shit is transparent. I write scripts, and I can see what they're doing.

Right now it's "gosh, Panetta thought the photos were gonna be released. He's surprised Obama didn't release them. Why weren't Panetta and Obama on the same page??"

Also: "Gosh, these photos could get leaked anyway, out of the control of the White House or anyone else. In this day and age, these things could get leaked!"

No. Because there are no photos.

Over and over. They hit each point three times, once with the anchorperson, once with the "correspondent" on location, then once again to reinforce the whole idea.

Which fits into the thing my Dad said they teach you in the military -- "tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em. Tell 'em. Then tell 'em what you've told them."

Yeah, I had CNN on for about 3 minutes last night before uncontrolled vomiting led me to throw my TV, Keith Moon style, off of my 16th storey balcony.

Oh, and I learned this...

"tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em. Tell 'em. Then tell 'em what you've told them."

...in my high school Speech class. One of the more useful things I learned in high school, actually.

[One Dog Watching]

Just watching CNN for a bit, to see what the latest scripted "news" is. And my god it is so transparently scripted now it's really kind of a joke.

They're making a "controversy" over the decision to not release the photos.

The entire "controversy" is to reinforce the notion that there ARE INDEED PHOTOS.

I don't want to start sounding like HMW here, but this shit is transparent. I write scripts, and I can see what they're doing.

Right now it's "gosh, Panetta thought the photos were gonna be released. He's surprised Obama didn't release them. Why weren't Panetta and Obama on the same page??"

Also: "Gosh, these photos could get leaked anyway, out of the control of the White House or anyone else. In this day and age, these things could get leaked!"

No. Because there are no photos.

Over and over. They hit each point three times, once with the anchorperson, once with the "correspondent" on location, then once again to reinforce the whole idea.

Which fits into the thing my Dad said they teach you in the military -- "tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em. Tell 'em. Then tell 'em what you've told them."

And all of that is being perpetuated under the guise of, "The American Public wouldn't be able to handle the graphic nature of the death photos." Really, the same public that was celebrating the death in the streets? I'd think they'd LOVE to see them.

[eyeno]

There is the possibility that the story was made this muddy on purpose. By making it this muddy no matter what comes out later all the confusing portions of the story will be included and woven in, making the story forever muddy.

I also saw a blurb on mainstream today that said basically, "security will be heightened at malls, sporting events, public places. Some of this will be temporary and some permanent. Since domestic terrorism is now such a threat the administration has decided to begin arresting people of interest on other charges even if the violations are not related to terrorism in an effort to simply get them off the street". The heightened security part is a standard line, but the "getting people off the street with any charge they can find" is a ramp up. They have of course probably already been doing it but actually saying so on mainstream television is something they usually do not say. Doesn't sound too good.