IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed May 18, 2011 7:19 pm

barracuda wrote:
justdrew wrote:yet so many news stories describe events like this:

The 62-year-old French politician allegedly emerged from the shower naked and tried to force himself on the woman, who fended off the attacks and ran out of the room.


which seems to imply that while some attempt was made, nothing actually happened more than a scuffle.


Well, a naked scuffle is alleged in which Strauss-Kahn touched his penis to her mouth twice, and pulled down her panties and attempted to fuck her. If true, you can't really say "nothing more than a scuffle" because I've been in a few scuffles, but as far as I'm aware, the presence of a penis on or near one's mouth during one is highly uncharacteristic of scuffles. Once that sort of thing happens, I would no longer refer to the incident as just a scuffle. Personally. Somewhere around there is where I draw the line, and it becomes something else besides the scuffling part.


This is a naked scuffle, remember. Floppy bits everywhere. And I could see myself scuffling to eject someone from an area where I was nakedly showering. Although I read in another article that he came in her mouth. The story is still inconsistent, perhaps the more extreme stories constitute part of a plot to defame the lad. Perhaps it's all just a horrible misunderstanding.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed May 18, 2011 7:28 pm

JackRiddler wrote:.

Bottom line, fuck the IMF and its phony reform rhetoric. I hope the next sixteen successors to Strauss-Kahn spontaneously combust at their intro press conferences, until the IMF is forced to take it as a sign from God that they should shut down. As for France, they've been given a chance to find a replacement for Sarkozy who isn't a neoliberal hitman play-acting a socialist. May they make wise use of it.

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Yeah Jack. There is that.

On Edit - he's arguing for lower tax rates for corporations in Ireland btw.... not something I associate with someone on the side of ordinary people who are gonna be paying for Ireland being screwed for a long time.

I'm about 5' 8" or 5' 9" weigh less than 75 kg and am more than capable of tackling someone well over 6 foot tall and 30 Kg heavier to the ground. My old man is the same size, in his 70s and strong as an ox, he'd be more than capable of grappling with a 32 yr old. I've played footy against guys who were shorter than me who were way stronger and harder to physically control/tackle than guys 6 inches taller. Height has nothing to do with it.

Anyone who gets to the position Srausse-Kahn was in would have to have "a bit of mongrel" in him. (IE he doesn't back down from a fight and goes in hard as he can when he does have one.) Anyone who rises to any sort of power has that, they would have disposed of enemies along the way in a similar manner to how he is being pilloried now, whether those cases were "set ups" or not, and if he had the chance I'm sure he would have done the same thing, and probably has. Thats how it works.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby vanlose kid » Wed May 18, 2011 7:29 pm

^^

small guys, low center of gravity.

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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed May 18, 2011 7:43 pm

lupercal wrote:^ What happened to the victim is unfortunate as I've already said. There are many dimensions to this story however and if you want to dwell on the sordid ones, fine, that doesn't surprise me in the least. But there's more going on here than what you'll get from SkyNews and the NY Post.


Now it's up to six charges:

Strauss-Kahn faces six charges:

Criminal Sexual Act in the First Degree:
Attempted Rape in the First Degree;
Sexual Abuse in the First Degree;
Unlawful Imprisonment in the Second Degree;
Sexual Abuse in the Third Degree;
Forcible Touching.


Good thing he didn't try to steal any towels or he'd be up for grand larceny too. In any case it appears actual rape is not among the charges:


You may have apologised for this to Jeff, but its still the comment of someone who has no understanding that sexual assault in any form isn't on. What part of that don't you get?

Its unfortunate, and you have equated her to a fucking towel. Humans aren't objects.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby barracuda » Wed May 18, 2011 7:49 pm

Nordic wrote:I'm going strictly by all the news video that I saw yesterday, in which, unless the entire population of NYC's justice and police departments are giant amazons, Strauss Kahn looked extremely dinky!


Alot of cops are big goons, yes.

That all being said, do I know how tall he is? No. But I've got a good eye, especially from the work I do, and I would guess he's about 5'3" based on all the news video I saw. I could be wrong.


He appears a bit bigger than that, I think, when not surrounded by gigantor administrators of justice.

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Nonetheless, I'd say most men of even below average height would be capable of doing what he is alleged to have done without much difficulty.

Stephen Morgan wrote:This is a naked scuffle, remember. Floppy bits everywhere. And I could see myself scuffling to eject someone from an area where I was nakedly showering. Although I read in another article that he came in her mouth. The story is still inconsistent, perhaps the more extreme stories constitute part of a plot to defame the lad. Perhaps it's all just a horrible misunderstanding.


C'mon, Stephen. Even you should be able to come to terms with the idea that, generally speaking, when someone's cock touches your mouth, it's safe to assume there's something going on other than a misunderstanding.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby lupercal » Wed May 18, 2011 7:50 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote:you have equated her to a fucking towel

Only in your fetid imagination. Anyway I'm going to have to bid you adieu in this thread as you seem to have taken leave of your senses. Bye.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed May 18, 2011 7:54 pm

lupercal wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:you have equated her to a fucking towel

Only in your fetid imagination. Anyway I'm going to have to bid you adieu in this thread as you seem to have taken leave of your senses. Bye.


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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby justdrew » Wed May 18, 2011 7:58 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:
barracuda wrote:
justdrew wrote:yet so many news stories describe events like this:

The 62-year-old French politician allegedly emerged from the shower naked and tried to force himself on the woman, who fended off the attacks and ran out of the room.


which seems to imply that while some attempt was made, nothing actually happened more than a scuffle.


Well, a naked scuffle is alleged in which Strauss-Kahn touched his penis to her mouth twice, and pulled down her panties and attempted to fuck her. If true, you can't really say "nothing more than a scuffle" because I've been in a few scuffles, but as far as I'm aware, the presence of a penis on or near one's mouth during one is highly uncharacteristic of scuffles. Once that sort of thing happens, I would no longer refer to the incident as just a scuffle. Personally. Somewhere around there is where I draw the line, and it becomes something else besides the scuffling part.


This is a naked scuffle, remember. Floppy bits everywhere. And I could see myself scuffling to eject someone from an area where I was nakedly showering. Although I read in another article that he came in her mouth. The story is still inconsistent, perhaps the more extreme stories constitute part of a plot to defame the lad. Perhaps it's all just a horrible misunderstanding.


inconsistencies are probably thanks to the media. he should have just stayed in the bathroom or put a towel on and asked her to come back later. obviously he didn't have the 'do not disturb sign on'. Whatever, he must have done something rather wrong (unless it's all a story, but we've no real reason to assume that). As close as we'll get to verified truth will have to come out in court. He sounds like a creep going far back. granted maybe it's all a defimation campaign. but we have no way of knowing that. More likely he's a creep who's finally going to get what's coming.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby kenoma » Wed May 18, 2011 9:35 pm

Charming fellow, you can really see why people are so eager to rush to his defence:

Dominique Strauss-Kahn hired prostitutes from the "Manhattan Madam" who infamously also served Eliot Spitzer, the disgraced former Governor of New York, she claimed on Wednesday night.

Kristin Davis said she provided young women for the IMF chief in 2006, as he ran for the French Socialists' presidential nomination, and that one complained about his "aggressive" behaviour.

"He was a client of my agency," she told The Daily Telegraph. "When men abuse women I'm no longer going to protect their identities".

Mr Strauss-Kahn, 62, has been charged with sexually attacking a 32-year-old hotel maid at the Manhattan Sofitel on Saturday. He denies the claims and is being held in Rikers Island prison.

Miss Davis, 35, who claims to have a long list of celebrity clients, said Mr Strauss-Kahn called her directly on her mobile phone and paid $1,200 cash for two-hour sessions in hotel rooms.

"He wanted an 'All-American girl', with a fresh face, from the mid-West," she said. "A girl in January 2006 complained he was rough and angry, and said she didn't want to see him again".

In September 2006, Mr Strauss-Kahn travelled to New York for a conference hosted by Bill Clinton. Miss Davis claims that month, she sent him a Brazilian-born prostitute who reported that "he was rough", said Miss Davis, adding: "She told me not to send any new girls to him."

Miss Davis was jailed in 2008 for promoting prostitution. She named Mr Spitzer, who resigned that year over disclosures that he used prostitutes, as one of her clients.

Mr Strauss-Kahn's lawyers declined to comment on the allegations. They came as the maid told a New York court of her ordeal and the IMF chief was alleged to have assaulted a maid in Mexico.
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Meanwhile press reports in Mexico claimed that Mr Strauss-Kahn may also have assaulted a maid in the country while making an official visit there in recent years.

The claim originated in the 2010 French book 'DSK: Secrets of a presidential contender', by an author using the pseudonym Cassandre, who said she had close knowledge of Mr Strauss-Kahn.

The alleged incident in Mexico was not described at any length. The author claimed that it had not reported to the local authorities, and would have gone unpunished.

The book has been the source of several allegations of improper behaviour towards women by Mr Strauss-Kahn.


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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby wallflower » Wed May 18, 2011 9:54 pm

Very late to this thread. The only tiny little bit I would add from my experience is that a boxing match analogy of weight and advantage doesn't fit situations when a person is attacked by surprise. In the two cases where I was assaulted--not sexual assault--I tried looking back to think what I would have done differently. In both cases I was constrained in ways I would not have predicted and which weren't entirely physical. An assault is a dynamic situation. Because I wasn't very smart either time I was endangered, and not smart enough in reflection to come up with what I'd have done differently, I can't second guess how victims behave.

Clearly I wasn't there so don't know what actually transpired, but the woman's account makes a lot of sense to me. In my own case getting away was my primary interest not what I could do to my attackers.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Peachtree Pam » Thu May 19, 2011 12:57 am

DSK resigns as head of IMF

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... esigns-imf

Dominique Strauss-Kahn has resigned as head of the International Monetary Fund, the IMF said in a statement dated May 18, as he faces charges of sexual assault and attempted rape.

"I deny with the greatest possible firmness all of the allegations that have been made against me," Strauss-Kahn said in his letter of resignation, released by the IMF.

Strauss-Kahn is to make a second application for bail on Thursday in New York with is his lawyers set to offer new bail terms including $1m in cash and to place their client under house arrest.

He is currently being held in New York's Rikers Island prison after being charged with the attempted rape of a hotel employee. A judge rejected his initial plea for bail agreeing with prosecutors that he was a flight risk.

A grand jury has now been convened to assess whether Strauss-Khan will be indicted. Their decision will not be known until Friday. The decision to press for bail ahead of Friday's decision suggests lawyers are urgently trying to free Strauss-Kahn from Rikers where he has been held since Monday. If he is released on bail, the deadline to secure an indictment would be extended.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby praeclarus » Thu May 19, 2011 1:18 am

Comment to the lynch mob, particularly Joe H who is frothing at
the mouth: I reckon what the the French are somewhat disturbed
about is the treatment of somebody who has not yet been tried or
convicted of anything. And so should you.

See, once upon a time in America having not yet been tried or
convicted of anything meant you were innocent. Yes, yes, I know,
a quaint and antiquated notion particularly when the accusation
is rape.

Anyway, so now "he will admit he had sexual contact with the
hotel chambermaid who alleges he attacked her, but insist it
was consensual, his lawyers have indicated".

Is that the same lawyers who just the other day said he wasn't
even there and had an alibi? Had to dash off for lunch before the
time of the alleged incident. Did I dream that part?
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby lupercal » Thu May 19, 2011 1:25 am

(oops, didn't see your post praeclarus, but yeah, the stories keep changing.) Resignation is not good news, at least in my view. Here's a pretty good run-down, but there's more:

The Strauss Kahn Frame-Up: The Amerikan Police State Strides Forward
May 18, 2011 - By Paul Craig Roberts

The International Monetary Fund’s director, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, was arrested last Sunday in New York City on the allegation of an immigrant hotel maid that he attempted to rape her in his hotel room. A New York judge has denied Strauss-Kahn bail on the grounds that he might flee to France.

President Bill Clinton survived his sexual escapades, because he was a servant to the system, not a threat. But Strauss-Kahn, like former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, was a threat to the system, and, like Eliot Spitzer, Strass-Kahn has been deleted from the power ranks.

Strauss-Kahn was the first IMF director in my lifetime, if memory serves, who disavowed the traditional IMF policy of imposing on the poor and ordinary people the cost of bailing out Wall Street and the Western banks. Strauss-Kahn said that regulation had to be reimposed on the greed-driven, fraud-prone financial sector, which, unregulated, destroyed the lives of ordinary people. Strauss-Kahn listened to Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz, one of a handful of economists who has a social conscience.

Perhaps the most dangerous black mark in Strauss-Kahn’s book is that he was far ahead of America’s French puppet, President Sarkozy, in the upcoming French elections. Strauss-Kahn simply had to be eliminated.


It is possible that Strauss-Kahn eliminated himself and saved Washington the trouble. However, as a well-travelled person who has often stayed in New York hotels and in hotels in cities around the world, I have never experienced a maid entering unannounced into my room, much less when I was in the shower.

In the spun story, Strauss-Kahn is portrayed as so deprived of sex that he attempted to rape a hotel maid. Anyone who ever served on the staff of a powerful public figure knows that this is unlikely. On a senator’s staff on which I served, there were two aides whose job was to make certain that no woman, with the exception of his wife, was ever alone with the senator. This was done to protect the senator both from female power groupies, who lust after celebrities and powerful men, and from women sent by a rival on missions to compromise an opponent. A powerful man such as Strauss-Kahn would not have been starved for women, and as a multi-millionaire he could certainly afford to make his own discreet arrangements.

As Henry Kissinger said, “power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.” In politics, sex is handed out as favors and payoffs, and it is used as a honey trap. Some Americans will remember that Senator Packwood’s long career (1969-1995) was destroyed by a female lobbyist, suspected, according to rumors, of sexual conquests of Senators, who charged that Packwood propositioned her in his office. Perhaps what inspired the charge was that Packwood was in the way of her employer’s legislative agenda.

Even those who exercise care can be framed by allegations of an event to which there are no witnesses. On May 16 the British Daily Mail reported that prior to Strauss-Kahn’s fateful departure for New York, the French newspaper, Liberation, published comments he made while discussing his plans to challenge Sarkozy for the presidency of France. Strauss-Kahn said that as he was the clear favorite to beat Sarkozy, he would be subjected to a smear campaign by Sarkozy and his interior minister, Glaude Gueant. Strauss-Kahn predicted that a woman would be offered between 500,000 and 1,000,000 euros (more than $1,000,000) to make up a story that he raped her.

The Daily Mail reports that Strauss-Kahn’s suspicions are supported by the fact that the first person to break the news of Strauss-Kahn’s arrest was an activist in Mr Sarkozy’s UMP party – who apparently knew about the scandal before it happened. Jonathan Pinet, a politics student, tweeted the news just before the New York Police Department made it public, although he said that he simply had a ‘friend’ working at the Sofitel where the attack was said to have happened. The first person to re-tweet Mr Pinet was Arnaud Dassier, a spin doctor who had previously publicised details of multi-millionaire Strauss-Kahn’s luxurious lifestyle in a bid to dent his left wing credentials.

Strauss-Kahn could just as easily been set up by rivals inside the IMF, as well as by rivals within the French political establishment.

Michelle Sabban, a senior councillor for the greater Paris region and a Strauss-Kahn loyalist said: ‘I am convinced it is an international conspiracy.’

She added: ‘It’s the IMF they wanted to decapitate, not so much the Socialist primary candidate.

‘It’s not like him. Everyone knows that his weakness is seduction, women. That’s how they got him.’

Even some of Strauss-Kahn’s rivals said they could not believe the news. ‘It is totally hallucinatory,’ said centrist Dominique Paille.

‘If it is true, this would be a historic moment, but in the negative sense, for French political life. I hope that everyone respects the presumption of innocence. I cannot manage to believe this affair.’

And Henri de Raincourt, minister for overseas co-operation in President Nicolas Sarkozy’s government, added: ‘We cannot rule out the thought of a trap.’

Michelle Sabban is on to something when she says the IMF was the target. Strauss-Kahn is the first IMF director who is not lined up on the side of the rich against the poor. Strauss-Kahn’s suspicions were of Sarkozy, but Wall Street and the US government also had strong reasons to eliminate him. Wall Street is terrified by the prospect of regulation, and Washington was embarrassed by the recent IMF report that China’s economy would surpass the US economy within five years. An international conspiracy is not out of the question.

Indeed, the plot is unfolding as a conspiracy. Authorities have produced a French woman who claims she was a near rape victim of Strauss-Kahn a decade ago. It would be interesting to know whether this allegation is the result of a threat or a bribe. As in the case of Julian Assange, there are now two women to accuse Strauss-Kahn. Once the prosecutors get the odds of two females against one male, they win in the media.

It has not been revealed how the authorities knew Strauss-Kahn was on a flight to France. However, by arresting him aboard his scheduled flight just as it was to depart, the authorities created the image of a man fleeing from a crime.

The way Amerikan justice (sic) works is that prosecutors in about 96 percent of the cases get a plea bargain. US prosecutors are permitted by judges and the public to pay for testimony against the defendant and to put sufficient pressure on innocent defendants to coerce them into making a guilty plea in exchange for lesser charges and a lighter sentence. Unless the hotel maid has a spell of bad conscience and admits she was paid to lie, or gets cold feet about perjuring herself, Strauss-Kahn is likely to find that Amerikan criminal justice (sic) is organized to produce conviction regardless of innocence or guilt.

On May 16, the day following Strauss-Kahn’s arrest, the US Supreme Court threw its weight behind the Amerikan police state by destroying the remains of the Fourth Amendment with an 8-1 ruling that, the U.S. Constitution notwithstanding, Amerika’s police do not need warrants to invade homes and search persons.

This ruling is more evidence that every American is regarded as a potential enemy of the state, not only by Airport Security but also by the high muckety-mucks in Washington. The conservatives’ “war on crime” has created a police state, and conservatives, who originally stood for limited government and civil liberty, are euphoric over the expanded and unaccountable powers that a conservative Supreme Court has handed to the police.

On the same day the federal government reached the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling, which forced the Treasury to “borrow” money from federal employee pensions in order to continue funding Amerika’s illegal wars and crimes against humanity. The breached debt ceiling serves as an appropriate marker for a country that has squandered its constitutional heritage and has arrived at moral as well as fiscal bankruptcy.

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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Nordic » Thu May 19, 2011 1:59 am

kind of a silly article in some ways. the author has never had a maid walk in on them, so he considers it unfathomable? i've had them walk in on me, once when i was sitting on the toilet, and i don't even travel that much.

i'm on the fence on this one. i don't want to defend him, but there sure seems to be a well-coordinated shit storm burying him, and the timning, and the media's attention to this, seem like red flags to me.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu May 19, 2011 3:28 am

barracuda wrote:Nonetheless, I'd say most men of even below average height would be capable of doing what he is alleged to have done without much difficulty.


The Romans were extremely short and left a long trail of tall dead enemies. Polybius believed their shortness and the shortness of their swords to be the decisive factor. Oh, and the armour.

Stephen Morgan wrote:This is a naked scuffle, remember. Floppy bits everywhere. And I could see myself scuffling to eject someone from an area where I was nakedly showering. Although I read in another article that he came in her mouth. The story is still inconsistent, perhaps the more extreme stories constitute part of a plot to defame the lad. Perhaps it's all just a horrible misunderstanding.


C'mon, Stephen. Even you should be able to come to terms with the idea that, generally speaking, when someone's cock touches your mouth, it's safe to assume there's something going on other than a misunderstanding.[/quote]

That's quite probable, but could only be confirmed with a greater degree of detail. The whole story is still a vague narrative released by the authorities through the media.

He could be a stupid pervert, who thought he could get away with it, or buy her off, or just didn't care about getting away with it.

He could have been set up for wanting to get rid of Sarkozy, or wanting minor reforms at the IMF, or wanting the IMF to compete with Treasury bonds, or wanting to protect Irish sovereignty, or whatever. Obviously he's one of Them, but that's like Chomsky's argument that JFK couldn't have been victim of a conspiracy because They wouldn't want him dead due to his right-wing antics, They could want rid of him anyway. If he was set up, he could have just been steered into a situation They knew he would take advantage of, or he could have been set up by some sinister group who are paying the woman off to tell lies.

Or the woman making the allegation could be mentally ill, or it could have been a misunderstanding, or something else which involves him being innocent but doesn't involve a conspiracy against him.

Those are the broad possibilities at present, probably in order of probability at this stage, but there isn't really enough public information to say exactly what happened or even to rule any of these possibilities out. So the only conclusion I've come to is that I don't know what happened. Don't care all that much, either. I don't think I'd even heard of this bloke until now, the crime itself is a sordid enough affair, the whole thing is rather unpleasant but doesn't amount to all that much. Not sure why I've bothered with this post, now I put it like that.
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