Joplin suffers 'direct hit' from tornado; 'major damage'

[Nordic]

K.C., earlier today.

That's a hell of a photo, and it looks at first glance like one of those manipulated HDRI photos, but then I REMEMBER seeing skies exactly like that in Oklahoma back when I lived there! And worse!

I've got some slides, somewhere, taken by yours truly, from back then. I used to go out and chase these kinds of storms in my little '71 Toyota corolla. Walls of clouds that were dark turquoise, bringing in a darkness, almost like nighttime, with clouds shaped not unlike some of those ash clouds around the volcano in Iceland ...... then you'd get clobbered by the rain and the wind, to where you couldn't see the front of the car. Amazing experiences, glad I lived through them all.

[justdrew]

[82_28]

Jesus H Christ.

I knew that was exactly how Joplin looked before and after and decided upon not searching the "google records" when it hit me to do so last night. And there it is. Astonishing destruction.

I'm so amazed by the people who have not heard of this yet still. There's a lesson somewhere in that fact and I do not know what it is.

[82_28]

K.C., earlier today.

That's a hell of a photo, and it looks at first glance like one of those manipulated HDRI photos, but then I REMEMBER seeing skies exactly like that in Oklahoma back when I lived there! And worse!

I've got some slides, somewhere, taken by yours truly, from back then. I used to go out and chase these kinds of storms in my little '71 Toyota corolla. Walls of clouds that were dark turquoise, bringing in a darkness, almost like nighttime, with clouds shaped not unlike some of those ash clouds around the volcano in Iceland ...... then you'd get clobbered by the rain and the wind, to where you couldn't see the front of the car. Amazing experiences, glad I lived through them all.

I didn't do it in OK but I did the same on days off in CO. Granted OK is far more susceptible to even more extreme weather than the front range of CO, but we used to follow that shit around too. Living in Seattle, I haven't seen a lightning bolt in nearly 10 years! Daily thunderstorm, tornado warnings are something I kind of yearn for now. I remember the big hail storms which decimated the value of everybody's cars in the day, stripped all of the trees in areas of Denver of all of their leaves and Denver has it relatively easy compared to environs further east and south. But every day in the summer does it seem those Rockies stir up some of the craziest storms known to humankind.

It's 10AM and you think "cool a 90 degree day", gonna go swimming later this afternoon. Not. The clouds just build and build over the mountains and then begin to move east. Big, black anvil clouds. Then the day never gets over 75 because of all the localized cloud build up. Midwest weather is nuts this time of year.

In Seattle it's just cold and disappointing.

[8bitagent]

[stoneonstone]

More strange radar circle signatures tonight...now east of the spine of storms from the Great Lakes to the Gulf...

[Nordic]

More strange radar circle signatures tonight...now east of the spine of storms from the Great Lakes to the Gulf...

Why is it strange? Radars go in a circle fro a central point. Nothing weird about circular patterns in radar data.

[stoneonstone]

Sorry Nordic, those are not normal on radar. The problems you see are noise in permanent patterns in urban areas, and a strange streak artifact that usually occurs at sunset, at least on Environment Canada radar.

Sure, radar goes out in circular form, but it doesn't puch through precipitation, nor conjure forth said precipitation where all was clear.

These rings tend to occur about 24 to 48 hours before storm lines form now, or lie ahead of a storm line and have tended to feed and keep a storm line or series of cells going. So expect the current spine of bad weather from the Great Lakes to the Gulf continue into the northeast now.

And look at the strange colouring of circles on the West Coast in the same loop.

Not normal at all. I worked in TV weather graphics for years, and look at radar everyday since then for 16 years as a farmer. Never seen this on Unisys until the past few months.

[eyeno]

Engineered scarcity in food crops. Drought in one area, flood in another. Hedge funds are also buying up farmland.

[Joe Hillshoist]

More strange radar circle signatures tonight...now east of the spine of storms from the Great Lakes to the Gulf...

Refer to this:

http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/res ... darexp.htm

specifically:

This is a pretty clear case of either clutter suppression gone mad or poor post-processing by the radar image vendor. Again, without knowing the settings of those radars at that particular time, I can't be sure. However, it is known and has been frequently seen before. And the clouds are not "circulating around the circles." What you're seeing is lake effect snow in the wake of a cold upper level low centered somewhere over Quebec in this loop. The actual echoes are moving east-southeast in off the lakes, but are dissipating as they move further inland and constantly re-forming back over the lakes. Hence, you're seeing movement within the echo pattern, but the area of precipitation as a whole is pretty much stationary. The precip over northwest Illinois looks a little funky. I'd surmise that it was actually snowing across a good portion of northern Indiana and Illinois at this time, but it appears that at least one radar there is out of commission as we're only seeing partial returns. Impossible to say if these data gaps were caused by the radars themselves or by vendor post-processing.
Short and Sweet: Data gaps in this loop were mostly likely caused by a combination of misapplication of radar clutter suppression algorithms, problems with vendor post-processing and a radar outage over portions of Indiana and Illinois. While no concrete evidence can be shown, a comparison of the images from the individual radars against this loop and investigation into the status of the radars in Illinois and Indiana would be enlightening.

That's referring to exactly the same sort of circles on radar maps on a website 13 years ago.

Sometimes I wonder if you radar ring people even know what you're looking at, or for.

[Joe Hillshoist]

These rings tend to occur about 24 to 48 hours before storm lines form now, or lie ahead of a storm line and have tended to feed and keep a storm line or series of cells going. So expect the current spine of bad weather from the Great Lakes to the Gulf continue into the northeast now.

Or they occur adjacent to storms as they are occurring.

Anyway

How do they feed this storm line?

And if they could (which I'm not discounting), why would it show up on a radar looking like that?

I don't get it.

[Nordic]

thanks for the common sense, joe. some people don't seem to realize that these images are composites, cobbled together from a lot of different sources.

[Joe Hillshoist]

No worries, sometimes it gets frustrating that people don't realise this isn't raw data.

And even if it was (which it isn't) it doesn't show anything you could associate with an attempt to modify weather, like an unusual sudden rise in ocean temperature in front of a tropical depression.

[eyeno]

Or...
One could read all of Bernard Eastland's patents. Or they could wonder why Monsanto needs ALUMINUM RESISTANT crops. Or one could wonder why barium and aluminum is showing up in the atmosphere in record amounts. Or one could wonder why barium and aluminum are showing up in people's blood in record amounts. Or one could watch a documentary called "What In The World Are They Spraying". Or one could understand that this technology allows the military to see a baseball from 3000 miles away...Or I suppose one could not.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Or...
One could read all of Bernard Eastland's patents. Or they could wonder why Monsanto needs ALUMINUM RESISTANT crops. Or one could wonder why barium and aluminum is showing up in the atmosphere in record amounts. Or one could wonder why barium and aluminum are showing up in people's blood in record amounts. Or one could watch a documentary called "What In The World Are They Spraying". Or one could understand that this technology allows the military to see a baseball from 3000 miles away...Or I suppose one could not.

Or one could be bothered figuring enough about these things to figure out how they might work then try to find some evidence for them working and discuss it critically instead of pointing at glitches in a composite image structured and presented by either the govt or private corporations and speaking crap about it.

I've probably forgotten more about weather manipulation and weather modification for peaceful and weapons purposes than you've known in your whole life. Don't lecture me that I should read patents I first read over a decade ago.

Can you explain how the relationship between the circles in the radar maps and the actual weather that follows? How does that happen? What process is involved? What is happening when those circular things appear on the radar? And how does that generate the severe weather conditions that follow?