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Postby semper occultus » Fri May 27, 2011 1:33 pm

More food riots and uprisings on the way
Monday, 23 May 2011
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A recent article on ZeroHedge is all outraged at the news that the US government is going to act as guarantor for a 1 billion eurodollar bond issuance by Egypt.
The article quotes from a Bloomberg article which says,

"The five-year bonds will be backed by a U.S. “sovereign guarantee,” Finance Minister Samir Radwan said by telephone from Cairo today...President Barack Obama promised last week $2 billion in loan guarantees and debt forgiveness."

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Basically ZeroHedge wants to know why, as it puts it, The US is,

"...backstopping paper by another government, which will soon be very much insolvent,..."
The answer in a UPI article on May 18th is simple - the price of Wheat. Just as it was for why we had the uprisings in the first place :

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Egypt is reported to have only four months' supply of wheat on hand and only one month's supply of rice.
Not only that but Egypt is also running out of money with which to buy food.

The business elite who flourished under Mubarak and ran the economy for half a century are hustling their wealth to safer climes.
In the first quarter $13 billion of Egypt's foreign reserves has left the country


What worries the US is the possibility that if there is another wave of unrest, this time blaming the moderate, largely secular uprising itself, then more radical Islamic groups will rise to prominence. That is why the US is giving money it can ill afford given the fact that it has exceeded its own debt ceiling yet again.

And it is not only the US. This week Saudi Arabia has pledged $4 billion in loans and aid to Egypt. After the Saudi stock market lost 6.5% last Saturday.

The price of food in Egypt is partly due to global Wheat harvest shortages. Last Wednesday Wheat futures jumped 7% in a single day. Wheat futures are now up 91% in less than a year. 91%! Such huge price rises are going to make staple foods unaffordable in all the same countries that saw popular uprisings already this year. According to an article in the Wall Street Journal,

Unable to grow enough wheat at home, countries like Egypt and Tunisia buy half or more of what they need from other countries, and pass it along at deep discounts to their impoverished populations.
Egypt alone has told donor nations it will need about $10 billion overall in aid in the next 13 months. That is money to keep its poor fed and stop them taking to the streets in all out revolt.

According to Al-Ahram, one of Egypt's leading newspapers, "hoarding of rice by wholesalers has pushed prices up by 35 percent this year." Far above the rate of global prices. Such reports will inevitably lead to some ugly social problems as the poorest turn on those who they perceive are profiteering.


any monarchists in Egypt btw ? I heard FouadII interviewed on the radio the other day - seems a terribly nice fellow & at a bit of a loose end......
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri May 27, 2011 2:22 pm

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Egyptians demand deeper and faster reforms
By Yasmine Saleh and Sami Aboudi
CAIRO | Fri May 27, 2011
CAIRO (Reuters) - Thousands of Egyptians packed Cairo's Tahrir Square Friday in what organizers called a "second revolution" to push for faster reforms and a speedy trial for ousted President Hosni Mubarak and his former aides.

Activists complain of delays in putting Mubarak, his family and members of his ousted regime on trial and that the army has not restored order quickly enough to the country of 80 million.

Egyptians are also demanding an end to endemic graft, one of the main grievances that drove thousands of protesters onto the streets in the uprising that began on January 25.

"After some 1,000 martyrs ... people do not see any change," said Mustafa Ali Menshawi, a 38-year-old accountant, who was helping marshal crowds flooding into the square.

"The only change we see is that the Mubarak metro station has been changed to the Martyrs station," he said.

In a move seen as aimed at appeasing protesters, authorities Tuesday ordered Mubarak to stand trial on charges of graft and "pre-meditated killing" of protesters during the uprising that ousted him on February 11.

If convicted, Mubarak could face the death penalty. He has been detained at a hospital in the tourist Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh since April when he was reported to have suffered heart problems during an initial questioning.

Hundreds staged a protest in front of the hospital calling for his departure. They said his presence was driving tourists away, according to state TV.

FLAGS, PLACARDS AND NO SOLDIERS

The ruling military council withdrew the army from near the protests in Cairo and has ordered security forces to stay away.

Tahrir Square was decked with Egyptian flags and placards demanding that officials who worked under Mubarak and squandered state funds be investigated.

"We want to dissolve all local councils that are famous for being the most and worst corrupt institutions during Mubarak's regime," said Mohammed Adel, of the April 6 Youth group.

"We also ask that all political powers get involved in the drafting of important political laws," Adel added.

Thousands of Egyptians also took to the streets in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria and in the Suez Canal's cities of Suez and Ismailia. Smaller protests also took place in northern Sinai and in the city of Port Said on the Suez Canal.

However, some Egyptians expressed opposition to the protests, saying military rulers needed time to sort things out. A few hundred gathered in Cairo's al-Hussein area to express support for Egypt's military rulers, chanting: "For the sake of our country, we want to be ruled by the army."

Some political parties, including Egypt's powerful Muslim Brotherhood, said no protests were needed and warned they could lead to confrontations between the army and demonstrators.

The absence of the Brotherhood angered some protesters, some of whom chanted: "Where is the Brotherhood?"

The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, in a Facebook message posted Thursday, called on protesters to exercise caution Friday, saying there were "suspicious elements trying to take actions that would sow strife between Egypt's people and the military."

(Additional reporting by Yusri Mohamed in Ismailia and Shaimaa Fayed in Cairo)


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat May 28, 2011 9:09 am

Truly Egypt is the land of miracles. We experienced one first-hand, yesterday.

The euphoria that accompanied the dictator's removal on February 11 had entirely dissipated. In the state media, nothing but bad news about the economy, about the emergence of crazy fanatic groups and sectarian violence, crime out of control, rising poverty, politics in disarray, confusing and contradictory reports about the legal proceedings against leaders of the "former" regime, etc., etc. The people seemed hopelessly divided and angry; some were openly blaming the revolution for every problem, including traffic and the refusal of children to do as they're told. The government seemed unwilling or unable to do its job -- all the ministries seemed paralyzed, ineffective and confused about what to do.

The worst, however, was the dawning suspicion (hardening into certainty) among others -- including me -- that the revolution had been hijacked before our very eyes: the masses, and those who had led it and sacrificed so much for it were being locked out of the decision-making process. Instead, it became very obvious that the Armed Forces Council and the Muslim Brotherhood, both of whom were taken entirely by surprise by the revolution and had initially refused to join it, and neither of whom have ever evidenced the slightest interest in "democracy" had somehow managed to take it over and were rapidly laying the foundation for a new dictatorship in a different guise.

First, you have to understand that the Armed Forces Council consists of individuals who are by definition authoritarian, extremely conservative and secretive (we don't even know all their names!!), who have reaped enormous personal and institutional benefits from their close relationship with the United States and, by virtue of the Army's vast business holdings in Egypt (some experts estimate that it controls around 40% of the Egyptian economy), comprise a significant part of Egypt's capitalist elite. At the same time, journalists are legally forbidden to write about the army's top leadership, let alone describe their personal fortunes or criticize them in any way; workers in the many army-owned factories are forbidden by law to form labor unions; and the army has its own parallel police and judiciary that operate according to its own rules on any matter related to "national security", which it has been allowed to define at will.

The Muslim Brotherhood, like the army, has an extremely authoritarian, top-down structure, it is also very secretive, especially at the top. Its leaders enjoy close personal and political ties to elites in the rich oil-producing Gulf states. Paradoxically, the Muslim Brotherhood has long had a populist image because like the army, its regular members are ordinary Egyptians from all classes. Furthermore, the Muslim Brotherhood and the army are both widely considered free of the taint of corruption (bordering on debauchery) that was associated with the Mubarak regime's political elite, and both claim to be national guardians and defenders: the army's sacred mission being to protect Egypt's borders, while the Muslim Brothers' equally sacred mission being to guard Egypt's moral and religious integrity.

For the first four days of the revolution, both were literally paralyzed with panic. The uprising was determinedly non-sectarian, anti-authoritarian, and its key demands were secular and democratic, for a political and economic transformation. By the night of the fourth day, however, the Muslim Brotherhood could see which way the wind was blowing and decided to adjust its sail accordingly. When one of the panicked revolutionary youth, Nawara Negm, telephoned former Muslim Brotherhood Member of Parliament Mohamed Beltagui in the middle of the night on January 28-29 and begged him to do something because they were being attacked by armed thugs in Tahrir Square, the Muslim Brotherhood grabbed the chance: within an hour, thousands of Muslim Brotherhood youths were rushing to Tahrir Square to defend the besieged protesters, which they did bravely and effectively, earning them instant respect and admiration among the vast majority of Egyptians (including me).

Meanwhile, at the army headquarters a decision had been taken, either independently or more likely at the instigation of the US, to ditch Mubarak. Being extremely cautious by nature, however, the army wouldn't burn its bridges just in case Mubarak could somehow manage to turn things around: while sending encouraging messages to the revolutionaries, the army took a "neutral" stance, refusing to attack the revolutionaries but at the same time refusing to defend them from the weapons of the regime's security forces and mercenary thugs. It was only when workers rose up across the nation that they stepped in decisively and ordered Mubarak out. Like the Muslim Brotherhood, the army leadership suddenly found itself hailed as guardians and defenders of the revolution.

To cut a long story short, the army found itself in charge of a country in upheaval, under immense pressure to meet impossibly conflicting demands. The Americans ordered the army to provide a "peaceful transition" to a superficially democratic new regime that will provide internal stability while ensuring that the US' and Israel's interests were not affected. The people charged the army with simply carrying out their demands for genuinely revolutionary transformation, including a radical shift in the nation's economic and foreign policies that would remove it decisively from the Western (and Israeli) sphere of influence. Suddenly and with no preparation, the army found itself thrust into the spotlight, its leaders forced to communicate with and explain and defend their decisions to a suddenly assertive public, something that they have no experience or skills at doing, and which freaked them out.

What to do? What to do? I believe that at this point, the Muslim Brotherhood approached the Armed Forces Council with what must have seemed like a perfect plan: if the Armed Forces Council would play along and "give" them the next parliament, and thus the power to oversee the creation of Egypt's new constitution, the Muslim Brotherhood would ensure that the army got the nation's presidency, and everybody would be happy. The people would have their "democracy", with genuinely elected leaders to run their internal affairs, the Muslim Brothers would dominate the country's internal politics and at the same time the president would prevent any serious change to the country's foreign policy or general direction.

The Muslim Brotherhood's main selling-point was that they had the street creds and the disciplined cadres and the populist support to deliver voters. What they wanted from the Armed Forces Council was to take advantage of its temporary but absolute power to shape the legal and security landscape to promote the Brotherhood and prevent other players, especially the revolutionary and liberal elements, from mounting an effective challenge.

I believe that the Armed Forces Council, cautious as ever, decided to test whether the Muslim Brotherhood could walk the walk, not just talk the talk, and that the March 19th referendum on constitutional amendments was this test. The subject of the referendum was 8 amendments to the old constitution, almost all dealing with personal qualifications for presidential candidates (like he or she can't have a foreign spouse, etc.), none dealing with presidential powers or other substantive issues. Bizarrely, the Muslim Brotherhood fought for the "yes" camp as though their very lives depended on it. On the other side, almost all the revolution's leadership, as well as the religious leadership of the Copts, liberals, secularists, businesspeople, and labor unions supported the "no" side, arguing that the old constitution was tailor-made for a dictatorship and, since the revolution had nullified it, it was crazy to re-legitimize it with a few minor amendments.

But the Muslim Brotherhood (and the Armed Forces Council) played dirty. While the Armed Forces Council gave people only a few days to even read the amendments and then rigidly enforced a legal clampdown on any media coverage 48 hours before the referendum, the Muslim Brothers were allowed to hang enormous banners in the poorest neighborhoods proclaiming a "yes" vote to be a religious duty, and to distribute pamphlets and food packages in green bags with "YES" printed on them. Then they mobilized rural preachers in village mosques and got the Salafists on board in popular neighborhoods. Like Tea Partiers in the US identifying universal health care as an insidious communist plot, they claimed that the real reason the "no" camp wants to get rid of the old constitution is because of Article 2, which Sadat inserted and which says, "Islam is the religion of the state and Arabic is its language." The "no" camp's protests that they have no problem with Article 2 fell on deaf ears. They supplemented the religious appeals with arguments to the middle class that the "yes" vote means "yes" to economic and political stability and that "no" means prolonging the uncertainty. Another of their effective talking points was that a "no" vote would alienate the Armed Forces Council, but that a "yes" vote would affirm the public's support for the AFC and at the same time speed up their withdrawal from civilian politics.

Bottom line, the Muslim Brotherhood ran a campaign for the "yes" vote that was a masterpiece of deceit and demagoguery. When the votes were counted, 77.8% had voted "yes" and 22.2% had voted "no". The "no" camp didn't see it coming and emerged shell-shocked from the experience. In contrast, the Muslim Brotherhood dropped its conciliatory and humble mask and began talking and acting like they owned the country. As for the Armed Forces Council, clearly it had seen enough. Suddenly it began issuing law after law that violated the spirit and every principle of the revolution and ignoring the consequent outcry. In each case, all the political forces were opposed, except for the Muslim Brotherhood, which enthusiastically supported them. Tellingly, the Armed Forces Council, after declaring the results to be a triumph of democracy, nullified the results by issuing a "Constitutional Decree" comprising 62 clauses which voters had never seen before and had certainly not voted on. The Muslim Brotherhood solemnly hailed the Armed Forces Council's allegiance to the revolution and to democracy.

It was during this same period that Egypt began experiencing a bizarre and unprecedented outbreak of sectarian attacks against churches and mosques, to which the Armed Forces Council responded with inexplicable passivity. The state media began issuing alarmist headlines about the imminent collapse of the economy, and for the first time it became acceptable for state-owned newspapers, radio and television to attack the revolution and accuse its instigators of "sowing chaos" and destroying the country. "Soon, because of you, we will all become beggars!" they screamed. Those economic experts and political analysts who tried to respond with facts and logic, were banned and relegated to the few independent media outlets and the internet. Still reeling in the aftermath of the March 19 referendum, and struggling to deal with the rapid-fire emergence of seemingly random crises, the revolutionaries found themselves on the defensive at every turn and treated with arrogance and contempt by both the Armed Forces Council and their strutting partners, the Muslim Brotherhood.

It took a while, but sometime during the past two weeks or so, the revolutionaries were finally able to overcome their denial, and fully recover from the referendum fiasco. The actions of the Armed Forces Council and the Muslim Brotherhood, and all the seemingly random pieces suddenly clicked together seamlessly and the picture became all too clear. They became angry, and began to fight back. The internet and the independent media raged with accusations against both, backed with documents, video clips and eyewitness testimonies. Clearly, the regime was still in place and this time the people will not be pacified until it was well and truly cleaned out. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

A date was set, May 27th, to revive the revolution and to demonstrate that its demands are not negotiable. The state media instantly reverted to its true role, with wall-to-wall lies and cheap propaganda on behalf of power. The government ministers who were associated with the Mubarak regime issued dire warnings about the disastrous cost to the nation of further instability caused by "irresponsible elements". The Muslim Brotherhood shrilly accused the revolutionaries of "ignoring the people's will" as manifested in the referendum results and of trying to create a new dictatorship in the name of the revolution. They accused people of disloyalty to the great "people's army" and of conspiring to create dangerous divisions between Egypt's armed forces and its people. The Salafists issued dire warnings about "infidels and Liberals" trying to destroy Islam. The Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists ordered all Muslims to boycott the demonstration. Instead, they called for a massive counter-demonstration near Al-Azhar "In Support of the Armed Forces Council".

Even Field Marshal Tantawy took the unprecedented step of speaking directly to the people on tv (most people had never even heard his voice before), to warn people that the country is on the verge of bankruptcy and further demonstrations will only speed up the collapse. Military police began to arrest activists distributing pamphlets calling for the demonstrations on May 27. Finally, as the public anger continued to escalate, the Armed Forces Council began to backtrack a bit, making conciliatory but cosmetic and easily reversible gestures towards people's demands. Then they issued "Communique #58" warning people that on Friday, May 27th, the armed forces would be occupied guarding public property and would not be able to secure any demonstrations or protect the people who participated in them. At the same time, they ominously claimed that there were "indications" that "suspicious elements" "might" be planning to infiltrate or violently attack the demonstrators. I wouldn't even call it a covert threat. It was really quite a campaign; I think they used everything they had to prevent people from going out.

Even the biggest "opposition" party under Mubarak got into the act: it decided to hold its leadership elections on the other side of town at the same time as the planned demonstration.

By yesterday morning, most people were expecting a bloodbath, if indeed anybody was foolhardy enough to show up. The tension was unbelievable. I was so worked up that I decided that no matter what, I was going. I told my husband that he could come with me or not, but I'd be there -- I was damned if I'd let the bastards prance in and pluck the country out of the dead hands of the martyrs who had died and all the thousands who had paid in blood for this country to be free. He moaned and groaned and tried to make me feel guilty about the kids, but this time I wasn't having it. I told him he could stay in that restaurant near Tahrir Square and we'd keep in touch by phone.

As our car approached downtown, I strained to see Tahrir Square. It was still early, and I could make out some large banners, but there didn't seem to be many people. To make things worse, the temperature was already scorching and the sun was unbearably hot, which by itself would keep a lot of people away. My husband said, "See? Nobody's coming." My heart was pounding, because today would either demonstrate that the Muslim Brotherhood was right, and they do indeed control "the street", or it would mark a turning point for the people taking their revolution and their country back. The Armed Forces Council would be forced to pay attention to us again, or else.

We parked in front of the restaurant and went in to find it full of journalists and columnists from Egyptian, Arabic and European media, cadres from various leftist parties, dissident authors and artists, all smiling and friendly but clearly anxious at the same time, just like me. I asked the owner to turn the channel to the wonderful "Tahrir" satellite tv station, which I have come to depend on for reliable coverage of events in Egypt, and he did. The Square wasn't very full, but I and an old activist and veteran of many of Egypt's wars decided to walk there together. The sun really was unforgiving, which is quite normal for this time of year.

When he and I arrived, people were getting ready for Friday prayers, some performing their ablutions with bottled water, others spreading their prayer rugs or even newspapers on the ground. It was still a crowd, but nothing compared to those preceding or even immediately following Mubarak's removal. We walked around a bit, reading the various banners and signs outlining the revolution's demands, most prominently for a constitution first, before parliamentary or presidential elections. Another important demand was for real justice and impartial application of the law, and for the release of political prisoners and an end to military trials for civilians. Some signs demanded a civilian-led presidential council to replace the Armed Forces Council.

We didn't stay long, it was so hot and the prayers were about to start, so we went back to the restaurant, where I gratefully accepted an ice-cold beer, followed by two glasses of water, and talked and joked a bit with some activists. Ahmed, a young man who's been at the heart of the revolution from day one, was at his laptop. "Why aren't you in the Square?" I asked him. "Are you kidding? I'm running Tahrir Square from here!" he laughed, patting his computer. I said hi to a reporter I've met before from Al-Jazeera Arabic and said to him, "When are you people going to stop shoving the Muslim Brotherhood down our throats?" He said, "Give me a break, I'm doing what I can without getting fired!" People were walking past the restaurant towards Tahrir, and I decided to go back, this time for good.

This time, I couldn't believe my eyes. The square was filling up so fast, and still people were coming, streaming in from every direction. Several stages were set up and on each one people were making speeches, each one more amazing and inspiring than the other. The Tahrir tv station had its own stage, and there, a famous movie director was debunking the lies of the Muslim Brotherhood, who claim that they were the ones who defended the demonstrators from attack on February 2nd (the infamous "Camel Attack") -- he said that he was there and saw with his own eyes the people who defended the square that day, and they were all ordinary citizens unaffiliated with any political movement or group. Over and over, people chanted, "Muslim, Christian, we are one hand!" There were Muslim clerics, Coptic priests, people from all walks of life, some desperately poor, some obviously rich. It was Tahrir Square all over again. There were even some Salafists there, and women wearing the niqab. I had the ridiculous urge to ask them, "Don't you know this demonstration is only for ungodly infidels and communists?" I was so excited, I found myself shouting out loud and clapping and smiling at everybody.

Gradually, I became aware of something very strange. The sky had clouded over and a gentle, cool breeze had started. Suddenly the temperature was very comfortable. This was incredible -- this late in the spring, grey skies are very rare and besides, the weather forecasts had predicted clear skies and temperatures of 39 degrees Celsius (just over 102 Farenheit). To make things even weirder, a few drops of deliciously refreshing rain fell on us. The crowd was getting bigger and bigger. A parade walked past, made up of around 30 people carrying a huge flag horizontally over their heads and chanting; some of the signs were humorous, others were dead serious. A prominent banner said, "Armed Forces = Ours; Armed Forces Council = Theirs." One young man carried a large photo of a middle-aged bearded sheikh with the words, "I want my father" printed underneath. I looked at him and laughed out loud, because I thought it was a joke alluding to the Salafists' slogan "I want my sister," about the female converts to Islam who are allegedly kidnapped by the Church. Then, as I turned away, it struck me that this was not a joke, that his father had either been arrested or killed. I quickly went back to him and told him I was sorry, that I had misunderstood. He smiled at me and said, "No need to apologize, you light up the Square." I smiled back and said to him, "God bless you" and continued walking around, savoring "the voice of freedom" and the joyful relief of knowing that the prayers I hadn't even dared to make, had been answered beautifully.

Much later, as I walked back to the restaurant, going against the flow of people heading towards the square, my worries and fears had completely been washed away. The restaurant was now packed tight with people in a celebratory, even exultant mood. Some of the activists were being interviewed on the phone by tv news stations and they were shouting out above the din, "Today the people have spoken loud and clear and declared that the revolution belongs to THEM, not to the Armed Forces Council, nor the Muslim Brotherhood nor any other selfish opportunists!" Lots of people were remarking about the strange weather and one well-known political analyst said to me, "It turns out God is a Liberal, after all!" I laughed and said, "No, God is a secularist!"

That evening, I watched the coverage on tv. I didn't even bother to watch the state tv, but turned first to al-Jazeera Direct Egypt, to savor the blustering bald-faced lies of the Muslim Brotherhood spokesman, who claimed that the Brotherhood had most certainly NOT boycotted the demonstration, in response to the nearly gleeful interventions of the other guests. It was hilarious, listening to him telling them that this hostile interpretation of the day's events is unnecessarily divisive and undemocratic.

Then I turned to the Tahrir tv station, where I was able to see the pathetic demonstration that the Brotherhood had organized near al-Azhar. I'm not usually vindictive, but after all their antics and their puffery, and their betrayal of the revolution, they sure deserve to be exposed and shamed, and they sure are. The rest of the coverage was all about the magnificent day's events in Tahrir Square and all around our great nation.

We were knocked down for a while, but now we're back.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat May 28, 2011 10:23 am

Wow Alice.

That was an awesome read. Thanks very much for sharing it.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby eyeno » Sat May 28, 2011 11:06 am

:angelwings: Alice :angelwings:

Thank you Alice. Awesome. My little mind power, whatever it may be, with you. Please give us more updates. I love you.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat May 28, 2011 12:52 pm

Thank you so much! Now lookie here: I don't usually like to translate, but after being subjected to all the headlines and screaming about "all the factories are closed!!" and "the economy is collapsing!" and "Egypt is teetering on the brink of total bankruptcy!" this is too delicious. I never fell for the whipped-up hysteria for one second, because I'm very particular about which media and which "experts" I listen to. The vast majority of factories that have shut down have not done so because of the revolution -- on the contrary, they are public sector factories that under the Mubarak regime's disastrous privatization policy, were sold to private local and foreign "investors" and their workers laid off, so the land and/or other assets could be sold off at a massive profit.

It seems that after yesterday, it's not just the MB, but also the state media that had a rude awakening and found itself forced to choose between shaping up or eating the revolution's dust.

From today's issue of Egypt's largest state-owned newspaper, Al Ahram,

    The Minister of Industry and the Al Ahram Center for Statistics: Most Factories Are Working at Full Capacity

    Industry and Foreign Trade Minister Dr. Samir al-Sayad has confirmed that conditions in Egypt's industrial sector are reassuring, contrary to the claims which have been circulating in recent days, that it is in crisis and imminent danger of collapse. The Minister added that this is not to deny that there are some problems, but that these are being studied so that they can be effectively addressed.

    The Minister also went on to say that industrial output will register positive gains at the beginning of the new fiscal year, and that productivity has actually gone up during the first quarter of the current year, to LE 48.2 billion, compared to LE 45.6 billion in the same period last year. He stated that most factories have not witnessed any interruption in production, neither wages nor salaries have decreased, most factories are working at full capacity, and the rumors about bankruptcy are entirely baseless.

    In related news, the latest report by the Head of the Central Bureau of Statistics, General Abu Bakr al-Guindy, stated that the output figures for factories in industrial zones as reported by five chambers of commerce during the period ending in mid-March, at the very height of the revolution, are extremely reassuring. According to their reports, 3706 factories continued to function at full capacity, or 88.6% out of a total of 4182 factories; 44 factories remained closed, and 432 operated at less than full capacity. Link
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby lupercal » Sat May 28, 2011 1:17 pm

productivity has actually gone up during the first quarter of the current year

Alice this is assuredly good news if true but it does raise two questions:

1) If productivity was roaring in the first quarter, what was the motivation for Egypt's "Arab Spring," which among other justifications claimed high unemployment as a cause of unrest? And

2) If Egypt's industrial economy is booming, what is the justification for the $40 billion in loans being proffered to Egypt and other nations by the G8, as per the article below, which I'll be happy to admit are pure graft aimed further impoverishing decapitated governments, but surely have some objective correlative?

Institutions such as the World Bank and the African Development Bank could provide more than $20 billion for Egypt and Tunisia through 2013, including 3.5 billion euros ($5 billion) from the European Investment Bank, to support “suitable reform efforts,” said a statement today on the so- called Arab Spring after a two-day summit in the French seaside resort of Deauville.

from: "G-8 Finds $40 Billion for Arab Spring," http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-2 ... nisia.html
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat May 28, 2011 2:19 pm

lupercal wrote:1) If productivity was roaring in the first quarter, what was the motivation for Egypt's "Arab Spring," which among other justifications claimed high unemployment as a cause of unrest?


I don't understand your question. Very high, mostly hidden unemployment was only one of many, many reasons. The point of the article I posted is that it directly contradicts all the incitement against the revolution and those who participated in it, on the grounds that because of them, "all the factories are closed" and they "destroyed the economy."

lupercal wrote:If Egypt's industrial economy is booming, what is the justification for the $40 billion in loans being proffered to Egypt and other nations by the G8, as per the article below, which I'll be happy to admit are pure graft aimed further impoverishing decapitated governments, but surely have some objective correlative?

Institutions such as the World Bank and the African Development Bank could provide more than $20 billion for Egypt and Tunisia through 2013, including 3.5 billion euros ($5 billion) from the European Investment Bank, to support “suitable reform efforts,” said a statement today on the so- called Arab Spring after a two-day summit in the French seaside resort of Deauville.

from: "G-8 Finds $40 Billion for Arab Spring," http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-2 ... nisia.html


See above. The factories that were productive before the revolution remained productive during and after the revolution.

I don't know where you got that "Egypt's industrial economy is booming". The economy is a big mess, and one goal of the revolution is to rebuild it by and for Egyptians, as a basis for freedom, rather than slavery. We can do it, too.

I'm not alone in wishing the World Bank et al would stay the hell away from us and shove their money up their collective asses. They were the ones who partnered first with Sadat and then with Mubarak to loot and destroy the Egyptian economy in the first place.

Don't be naive, lupercal. These guys are predators. When they "offer" nations money, it's like a fisherman offering a juicy worm to a fish. What they want to do to the so-called "Arab Spring" is kill it dead and stomp on the corpse.

Speaking of predators, just a month ago, uber-zionist Ted Koppel was delivering a similar message to American officials:

Israeli officials are recommending a Marshall Plan for Egypt. The overthrow of Hosni Mubarak may have been no loss in the annals of democracy, but under Mr. Mubarak Egypt was a pillar of stability and a reliable if not always warm partner for Israel. Egypt's political future at this time is uncertain enough; the Israelis believe it is essential to prevent its economic collapse. The U.S. has poured billions of dollars into Egypt since Anwar Sadat made peace with Israel, and senior Israeli officials believe the economic spigot should remain wide open. Link
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Postby crikkett » Sat May 28, 2011 2:26 pm

Oh Alice! Thanks so much for your story! I'm emailing it to my friends and family.
I'm very happy for you!

And Rafah was opened today!! What a wonderful day this is turning out to be!
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Postby 2012 Countdown » Sat May 28, 2011 2:35 pm

Yes Alice, great read. Thanks for sharing.
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Postby annie aronburg » Sat May 28, 2011 2:41 pm

I'm going to stage a beverage riot if there isn't a fresh shipment of Fayrouz in Vancouver before summer arrives.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby lupercal » Sat May 28, 2011 2:43 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:I don't know where you got that "Egypt's industrial economy is booming". The economy is a big mess

So I gather Alice, just like Tunisia's, which was previously prosperous, and just like the Baltic states that underwent color revolutions in the mid-2000s--all in terrible shape at the moment, with real protests occurring now that the MSM conveniently fails to notice.

Anyway without going into a lot of tedious snipping the point is that there's a bit of a contradiction in your thinking: either the Egyptian "economy is a big mess," which by all accounts appears to be the case, and certainly tourism at least has suffered significantly thanks to the NED, USAID, Freedom House, and other sneaky provocateurs, or it isn't, which was the claim you appeared to be making in the post I responded to.
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Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat May 28, 2011 2:48 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:
I'm not alone in wishing the World Bank et al would stay the hell away from us and shove their money up their collective asses. They were the ones who partnered first with Sadat and then with Mubarak to loot and destroy the Egyptian economy in the first place.

Don't be naive, lupercal. These guys are predators. When they "offer" nations money, it's like a fisherman offering a juicy worm to a fish. What they want to do to the so-called "Arab Spring" is kill it dead and stomp on the corpse.


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Alice, telling it like it is!

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Postby lupercal » Sat May 28, 2011 2:54 pm

^ PP I suppose this has something to do with DSK, so let me say a) I have no disagreement with Alice on this particular point,* as I said above, and b) the World Bank, which is run by US-appointed directors and was chartered to make development loans like this one, is not the IMF, which until now at least has been run by European-appointed directors and was chartered to regulate the currencies of developed nations. In other words, I get your point, but it happens to be irrelevant.

* as it applies to the World Bank and other "development banks" as currently operated by the US and other G-8 nations. As to Mubarak specifically, my understanding is that Egypt under Mubarak had a policy of resisting development loans, and I've posted accounts here to that effect.
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Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat May 28, 2011 3:34 pm

Peachtree Pam wrote:
AlicetheKurious wrote:
I'm not alone in wishing the World Bank et al would stay the hell away from us and shove their money up their collective asses. They were the ones who partnered first with Sadat and then with Mubarak to loot and destroy the Egyptian economy in the first place.

Don't be naive, lupercal. These guys are predators. When they "offer" nations money, it's like a fisherman offering a juicy worm to a fish. What they want to do to the so-called "Arab Spring" is kill it dead and stomp on the corpse.




Alice, telling it like it is!


Lupercal wrote:
^ PP I suppose this has something to do with DSK, so let me say a) I have no disagreement with Alice on this particular point, as I said above, and b) the World Bank, which is run by US-appointed directors and was chartered to make development loans like this one, is not the IMF, which until now at least has been run by European-appointed directors and was chartered to regulate the currencies of developed nations. In other words, I get your point, but it happens to be irrelevant.


Unfortunately, you "supposed" wrong. I was congratulating Alice on her pungent, accurate description of the actions of the World Bank, not those of the IMF, although the objectives of both institutions are much the same.

My post had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with DSK. I always post any comments on DSK under the appropriate thread.

I think it is your comment above which is "irrelevant", not mine.
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