How to undermine RI w/out breaking any rules?

[Nordic]

this could very well be the stupidest fucking thread to ever hit r.i. had i seen this thread on my first visit here i may not have ever returned.

bye now.

[justdrew]

with beer we don't remember such stuff the next day. I think the thread could go bye-bye but...

Let's wish it into the corn-field

[82_28]

Yeah, you're fucking melodramatic. It takes one to know one. Just drop your shit. I'll drop mine. Otherwise, it's never going away until you drop it and accept me as a human and poster here at RI, as I did you before your spidey sense got all crazy and thought OMFG, I've just found someone I disagree with. Fuck you. You don't disagree with me at all, but you don't play well with others. You're a cocksucker who has met the match of somebody about to get banned and also even closer to quitting. You've done your job well. Luckily, I shall take the friends I've made here, certainly far more than you, with me because I came here as a friend and nothing else. This place kept me alive. It kept my mental "juices" flowing through a deep depression of mine. It will always live in my heart. RI was supportive. But not with people like you around. I'm tired of you egotistical anti-speculative motherfuckers who dog on free spirits that speculate.

Fuck you. I'm out.

[justdrew]

oh let's stop the acrimony and drop it, the thread isnb' a very big deal reallly is it? in comparison?


for peet's dragon's sake, go listen to http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=406646#p406646 thick as thieves

ultimately, the OP question is answered as: "find the weakness and strike there"


but no shattering need occur, rather we can strengthen that area and thank a possible foe for assisting in it's identification.

[brainpanhandler]

Alright, I'm home from work. I'll make an effort to respond to all your thoughtful questions and observations. Thank you everyone for keeping things civil.

[brainpanhandler]

The problem with a metaconversation like this is that our brains pattern-making nature will often run in to join the dots in ways that you might not have intended. For example, a person feeling a bit down on themselves (lots of people here know that experience) will be able to read you list and think "Ugh. That's me..." and reduce their voice - when that may not have been your attention.

That's a valid point. I would hate for that to be an outcome in even one instance, but I admit it is possible. I'm guessing anyone that partially resembles my description but for whom the shoes don't fit won't wear 'em.

At the risk of vanishing up my backside I wanna ask you a meta - metaconversation question.

What is your intended result for this thread?

Mainly this: "Noting the MO and throwing it out there for others to consider who may not have already."

[brainpanhandler]

As for what to do - I ended up resorting to the 'foe' function about a week ago and that helps. If someone really annoys you, you can just stop reading their posts. I thought it might make threads unintelligible (sort of 'gappy') but it doesn't, and it makes them a lot shorter sometimes. Give it a try.

I once threatened to put someone on ignore. I didn't actually follow through with it. I've never put anyone on a friend or foe list. It took me a long time just to decide I wanted an avatar after all. I thought everyone would understand it was me on the other side of their computer screen.

The problem with your solution is that it leaves aspects of the community unattended that naturally enough no one wants to attend to. I certainly know I am not alone.

I don't think it's seemly to go telling people 'hey, you're too thick to post here, why don't you go away';

Yes, that is a little unseemly to be sure.

surely it's a good thing for RI to attract a diverse group of members.

Well, yes. I know Barracuda holds that as a core principle, as does Jeff I presume and many others like yourself. I'm not quite as principled. If I have any prejudice it's against willful, obstinate, ignorance.

[82_28]

Alright, I'm home from work. I'll make an effort to respond to all your thoughtful questions and observations. Thank you everyone for keeping things civil.

WTF? It's you who has singlehandedly obliterated RI in my eyes. I don't wanna see any one get banned ever. But you need to be or I will not stay here until you tell me what certain member's major malfunctions are. Seriously, F you, brainpanhandler. Seriously. Way to ruin everything. Good job, whoever you are. You need to be banned IMO. You are a travesty of all things RI and you have gotten under my skin. Not a fun thing and "life with RI" does not include you and nor does it include me with you around. All three of us, me, nordic and 8bit have already formed an irc channel so that we can continue to plot, you dolt. Why would you even start a thread like this if it wasn't in interest of your ego and had little to no concern to the community?

Just sad, sad, sad. The amount of people (lurkers) I send here for awesome freeform speculation, gone to pot, because of dickheads. Just not good. And so it goes. . .

But I am about done if these people don't get at the very least reprimanded by Jeff and the other mods. There is no excuse for this. RI has never been this way until now, at least to me. I am offended hurt and looking for a new internet place to converse in. I hope this isn't a case of "nice knowing you guys". But something must be done. Ugh. . .

[brainpanhandler]

bph, how about the forum member who deletes his post when the meaning of his comment is questioned? Might that qualify for your list?

I'm not sure what you're talking about in the particular but I'd say no, I guess not, although that sounds sort of sneaky and dishonest if it's done only after a question is raised..

[brainpanhandler]

At the risk of linking to sites not allowed I will simply say that the premise of this post reminds me of one i've read titled:

"How to completely nullify a forum community’s potency and suck its Chi dry like an empty juice box."

Yes, I think the theme of tag-team (sometimes sock-puppeted) shenanigans has been broached around here a couple times over the years. Seems a SOP against boards.

yes, I'm quite positive it has happened here.

I'm not sure who bph is referring too, sometimes it can only be experienced an intended victim or two which is why it is so effective.

BPH, I took to directly calling out anyone who was doing it to me, which helped (although it took a long, long, long time to do so)

Just to be clear I am not claiming I am being harassed and I'm not talking so much about sock puppetry/trollery, although the net effect is very similar, imo.

[brainpanhandler]

OP ED has been undermining without breaking any rules for like six years now.

Yes, but your so damned endearing at it.

[82_28]

As for what to do - I ended up resorting to the 'foe' function about a week ago and that helps. If someone really annoys you, you can just stop reading their posts. I thought it might make threads unintelligible (sort of 'gappy') but it doesn't, and it makes them a lot shorter sometimes. Give it a try.

I once threatened to put someone on ignore. I didn't actually follow through with it. I've never put anyone on a friend or foe list. It took me a long time just to decide I wanted an avatar after all. I thought everyone would understand it was me on the other side of their computer screen.

The problem with your solution is that it leaves aspects of the community unattended that naturally enough no one wants to attend to. I certainly know I am not alone.

I don't think it's seemly to go telling people 'hey, you're too thick to post here, why don't you go away';

Yes, that is a little unseemly to be sure.

surely it's a good thing for RI to attract a diverse group of members.

Well, yes. I know Barracuda holds that as a core principle, as does Jeff I presume and many others like yourself. I'm not quite as principled. If I have any prejudice it's against willful, obstinate, ignorance.

Dude, you have a locution problem. Shit my logic professors always told me about, thus I slipped into the "fucks" and "shits" in order to navigate what is "acceptable" and what was not as far as language. Quit writing out of your ass and start, Jesus, writing out of your ass. Your lexicon does not make you smarter. You seriously write like a retard and your writing reflects upon how you think. Vindictive. Hateful. Disrespectful of fellows. Unable to get along. It's all there. Nice condescension there too. "I'm not quite as principled". When in fact, what you meant, was you feel yourself to be more "principled" and it was embedded in the passive aggressiveness of your tone. Good one. But don't think people don't notice. I wear my emotions on my sleeve. You're as easy to read as a Pynchon book. Which isn't easy, but still readable.

[brainpanhandler]

Oh BPH, you thrill seeker you
Thanks for the effort on those rules, they cover most things, but i'd like to propose:
an amendment to #2

2) Post prolifically, preferrably by starting lots of new threads so General discussion constantly churns over.

"...Post lots of new threads particularly on topics where there are existing threads with significant bodies of knowledge and participation, so every new relevant story will get its own thread."

And a rule #8:
"Make frequent vague references to all powerful elites who control everything and against whom we are mere insects with no chance of effecting positive change."

Accepted. However, the one exception I will make to not naming names is to explicitly say that I am definitely not referring to 8bit. I have hassled him a bit over the years about a number of things, including his propensity to assign too much power and influence to an almighty hidden elite of the elite. But whatever. Who the fuck am I to hassle 8bit? I suppose I just see lots of potential there, with little discipline. I think he knows I mean well.

There is no reason this thread should be locked any more than any other, particularly if we keep it a no-names meta discussion.

I agree.

If those who want to shut it down achieve their goal, its cool, that will be informative,

It already is.

and we can add that info to a new thread.

Hopefully not.

..I don't think it's seemly to go telling people 'hey, you're too thick to post here, why don't you go away'; surely it's a good thing for RI to attract a diverse group of members.

a. strawman, noone is suggesting telling anyone that.

Well, to be fair I have come so close to saying that before (not in this htread) that there isn't really any meaningful distinction, which might be what stefano is talking about.

b. so the 'rigorous' in RI is merely decorative, a catchy brand, and there should be no negative feedback for mega-posting/spamming nonsense?

Exactly, not that that should go into the posting guidelines (All posts must be rigorous). It's really sort of up to the community to keep each other honest and challenge each other's ideas. But when that becomes =

[brainpanhandler]

brainpanhandler, I don't think that's going on currently.

Agreed

if one senses a negative current, setting up a counter current, rather than head on confrontation with something that may or may not even be, is probably, in my estimation, a better course of action.

It's a better first, second or third or fourth or fiftieth course of action.

it's certainly easy to take the bullet points in the OP wrong and feel (unintentionally) insulted.

And that's unfortunate. But they'll just have to buck up and keep things in perspective. I'm just lil' ol' brainpanhandler.

My signature is a reminder to me as much as anything else.

[brainpanhandler]

it's certainly easy to take the bullet points in the OP wrong and feel (unintentionally) insulted.

So we shouldn't talk about it because somebody might take offence? i don't agree, particularly when taking offence is so often just a rationalisation for aggression (e.g. "YOU looking at ME, FAG?!?!?"). And i think its worth noting that the only posters on this thread hyperventilating and directing abuse are those trying to shut it down.

Justdrew makes a fair point I think. But I obviously understand what you are saying as well.