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Postby lupercal » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:20 am

This one has it all: Assange, wikileaks, Greenwald, color revolutions, Yemen, Gadaffi, and to top it off, the Clintons. Links in original:
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More Disinformation from CIA Honeypot Wikileaks and Glenn Greenwald
Posted on June 10, 2011 by willyloman - by Scott Creighton - (H/T Gretavo from WTCdemolition)

Wikileaks Shows Link Between Saddam and Terrorism - FrontPage Magazine

Thank you wikileaks! Thank you Julian Assange! You are true heroes leading us into the light. Yep.

Peppered into the mix with information we already know, the CIA backed psyop called “Wikileaks” likes to toss out some pure disinformation which helps their various causes. In today’s case it’s nothing less than trying, once again, to connect 9/11 to Saddam Hussein in an obvious attempt to provide cover for the Bush administration’s illegal invasion of Iraq.

Back in April, the Weekly Standard (neocon shill rag) published an article titled “WikiLeaks: The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connection Confirmed, Again“. As the story goes, an Iraqi named Jawad Jabber Sadkhan was identified by others who were tortured (they leave that part out) as a key link between Saddam’s organization and al Qaeda, the Taliban, 9/11, the London Bombings,and of course let’s not forget… Iran.

    “An Uzbek named Oybek Jamoldinivich Jabbarov, told authorities that Sadkhan “admitted working as a liaison between [the] Taliban Intelligence Directorate and Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein.” Jabbarov explained that Sadkhan and another Iraqi once held at Guantanamo, Hassan Abdul Said, “traveled between Iraq and Afghanistan ferrying unidentified supplies from Iraq through Iran on multiple occasions.” --Weekly Standard

Interestingly enough, according to the Weekly Standard rag, this guy behaved an awful lot like the U.S. military. In fact, with a resume like this, he could probably get a job at JSOC or the JTTF or even maybe cash-in with Blackwater.

    “Sadkhan “coerced immigrants into service upon threat of imprisonment and torture,” according to the U.S. government’s reporting, and also “employed a team of interrogators who beat and tortured Shiite and Uzbeki prisoners.” According to some reports, Sadkhan’s fighting group also indiscriminately killed Afghan women and children.” --Weekly Standard

This fascinating Wikileaks story was picked up today by the Front Page, the “news” blog for the David Horowitz “Freedom” Center. The propagandists over at the “Freedom” Center sum it up quite nicely…

    “The disclosures show that the Iraqi regime and Al-Qaeda were willing to maintain a relationship despite their political and theological differences. Critics of Operation Iraqi Freedom are right that no “operational” link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda was discovered, but they are wrong to dismiss the seriousness of the links that were.” --“Freedom” Center

That’s pretty straight forward, isn’t it? Telling us dissenters that it’s ok that we questioned the fake evidence they presented before linking 9/11 to Saddam Hussain, but now we have to consider this “deeper” intel if we want to get the complete picture.

Of course the “deeper” intel is based on nothing but information gleaned from illegally torturing people and time after time we are told by intelligence officials that information garnered from torture is completely useless because the victim of that torture will say anything to make it stop.

We have also learned since then that the Bush administration was running the torture program at Gitmo with the expressed purpose of creating intel which would make the non-existent connection between al Qaeda and Saddam for them so that they could use it to prevent their administration from being charged with war crimes.

I suppose we also need to forget that all of this “information” is based entirely on a U.S. intelligence analyst’s review of the information that was “leaked” by an organization with DEEP ties to the CIA which has also released other highly questionable information in the past.

One could easily say that this is pretty obvious. It really is like Winston’s job at the Ministry of Truth where he would pull up uncomfortable news stories and re-write them based on whatever Big Brother needed at the moment. In this case, Big Brother hands the new Truth to their Wikileaks organization, which is basically at this point nothing more than three globalist media giants, and they disseminate the info to others like the Weekly Standard and the “Freedom” Center, who dutifully re-write inconvenient history.

Now I hate to have to keep explaining this to people like Glenn Greenwald who went out last month at the FAIR 25th anniversary celebration and promoted the validity of Wikileaks all over again. At some point you think Greenwald would figure out what was happening, especially since his talk at FAIR was about propaganda. Boy, the NSA and the State Department must have laughed their asses off at that one. Greenwald talking about pure propaganda and left gate-keepers in the media since 9/11 and then he goes into a full on defense of Wikileaks.

What Glenn should have said was this; “It’s easy and relatively safe for me to come out here and expose propaganda and left-wing gate-keepers years after their efforts are long since over and the damage their campaigns caused is already done.”

Take for instance Glenn Greenwald’s writing on Libya. Glenn likes to point out that the administration isn’t bombing Yemen and Bahrain while they are intervening in their oh-so-humanitarian fashion in Libya. He talks about how the Libyan action is illegal based on the lack of congressional support or any kind of resolution giving the Obama administration authority to do it.

Now, on the surface that would seem… ok. Helpful to some degree.

But now that Yemen has gotten rid of its dictator, the U.S. is stepping up their bombing campaign.
They just happen to be bombing the people, not the oppressive regime. And don’t worry Glenn. They just passed a resolution giving the Obama administration 2 weeks to produce some kind of FF event in Libya which will justify the congress into passing a pro-war resolution on Libya which will make the whole thing “legal” in your eyes.

But all of that misses the point of Libya, doesn’t it? Which to my knowledge, Mr. Greenwald hasn’t addressed at all. In fact, Greenwald peppers into his own writings little gems that make one sit up and wonder what Glenn is really doing with his dissent:

    “I understand — and absolutely believe — that many people who support the intervention in Libya are doing so for good and noble reasons: disgust at standing by and watching Gadaffi murder hundreds or thousands of rebels. I also believe that some people who supported the attack on Iraq did so out of disgust for Saddam Hussein and a desire to see him removed from power. It’s commendable to oppose that type of despotism, and I understand — and share — the impulse.” --Glenn Greenwald

Let me give you a head’s up, for all of you Glenn Greenwald fans out there… Gadhafi did not “murder hundreds or thousands of rebels”. He responded with strong rhetoric to the ARMED INSURGENCY that the United States and Great Britain had created in the east and he was WARNING the al Qaeda linked “rebels” that they would suffer if they chose the side of the Color Revolution that was starting in his country.


Perhaps Mr. Greenwald should take a look at the facts about life under Gadhafi before relegating the man to “despot” status. Of course you would think a lawyer would have had enough sense to have already done that.

I wonder if Mr. Greenwald will be repeating the “systemic rape” propaganda as well even though that has also been widely dismissed as a complete fabrication. His friend Amy Goodman is helping promote that bullshit propaganda.

    “The charge of rape as a political weapon was spread — without evidence — against Serb forces to justify U.S. plans for the first NATO bombing campaign in the history of the military alliance in 1994 in Bosnia and was used again in 1999 in Serbia in the first NATO occupation. The rape charge was used to soften up the U.S. and European population for the criminal war against Yugoslavia. Now a similar plan is in the works for Libya.” --Global Research

Isn’t it curious that the Clintons were in charge back then just as a Clinton is in charge of the State Department now? And isn’t it curious that this kind of propaganda being leveled at Libya by the likes of Amy Goodman and Glenn Greenwald is also helping to cover-up the real intentions behind Clinton’s State Department orchestrated regime change in Libya?

    “The $26.5 million in new humanitarian aid for Libya announced by the U.S. on Thursday doesn’t bring the council closer to unlocking $34 billion of frozen assets by the U.S., largely due to legal obstacles that were widely recognized among allies at the meeting.” --Wall Street Journal

Someone should send Mr. Greenwald this link to a real journalist’s report on Libya. [link to an RT youtube interview of Patrick Henningsen who calls Libya a NATO "nation-building circus"]


By promoting Wikileaks and the MYTHOLOGY of the pretext of the invasion of Libya, Glenn Greenwald is doing EXACTLY the same thing that he condemned at his FAIR speech. He’s just doing it to a slightly more critical crowd than the average U.S. citizen. He’s peppering into the mix of information that we know, or some of us know, blatant disinformation. Who does that sound like?

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/06 ... greenwald/
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:08 am

Hey wikileaks didn't say Saddam was responsible for 11/9 attacks in 2001. Some clown in the Weekly Standard did, cos of an Iraqi who was detained there. Thats using the same logic as saying Australia was supporting Al Quada cos 2 Australians got locked up at Guantanamo.

And Glenn Greenwald is opposed to the intervention in Libya according to the link in the article you posted/linked to. Greenwald doesn't like Gadaffi particularly, but so what? He is making the case that the US shouldn't have intervened in Libya and probably only did cos of the oil and the dislike of Ghadaffi. Which is obvious to everyone. (Well it should be.)

Seriously where is the logic?
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Postby barracuda » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:09 am

Exactly Joe. Here's the context of Greenwald's statement cherry-picked by Creighton:

I understand -- and absolutely believe -- that many people who support the intervention in Libya are doing so for good and noble reasons: disgust at standing by and watching Gadaffi murder hundreds or thousands of rebels. I also believe that some people who supported the attack on Iraq did so out of disgust for Saddam Hussein and a desire to see him removed from power. It's commendable to oppose that type of despotism, and I understand -- and share -- the impulse.

But what I cannot understand at all is how people are willing to believe that the U.S. Government is deploying its military and fighting this war because, out of abundant humanitarianism, it simply cannot abide internal repression, tyranny and violence against one's own citizens. This is the same government that enthusiastically supports and props up regimes around the world that do exactly that, and that have done exactly that for decades.


Greenwald is saying he realises that some people have been fooled by the propaganda, then questioning just why they would do so given the abundant history of U.S. support of ruthless dictatorships. Mr. Creighton seems to have a selective reading comprehension issue. The real question is why he would go out of his way to attempt to demonise Greenwald, who has been tirelessly revealing and questioning the rightward shift and unconstitutional policies in US politics for years now. Why would some random private citizen spend his time engaged in such behavior, unless, of course, his actual agenda is opposed to Greenwald's? Cointelpro or useful idiot, it doesn't really matter which, I guess. :tongout
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby wintler2 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:40 am

barracuda wrote:.. Why would some random private citizen spend his time engaged in such behavior, unless, of course, his actual agenda is opposed to Greenwald's? Cointelpro or useful idiot, it doesn't really matter which, I guess. :tongout


The same individual is rudely anti-thermite-on-911. But is this the same guy who "is radically changing our perceptions on the pyramids"?

Incidentally, anybody had a rummage thru http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/ yet? I've always wanted Hughs keyword hijacking theories to have some who-did-what, if there is a paper trail it might be here..
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby barracuda » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:00 am

wintler2 wrote:The same individual is anti-thermite-on-911.


Mr Creighton has his own theories regarding controlled demolition which conjectures the use of det cord threaded into the electric ducting embedded in the concrete floor panels of the WTC buildings.

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Which, generally speaking, is probably no better or worse a theory than nano-thermite. The point being that his theory cannot be proven by any craft that we here possess, and so functions as an ongoing distraction from real issues.



No. I think he's tepidly confirming my perception of lupercal, though.
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby wintler2 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:17 am

barracuda wrote:No. I think he's tepidly confirming my perception of lupercal, though.

'By their works shall ye know them'.
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby lupercal » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:20 am

Whoa there cowboys, before we get carried away with the aspersion casting I see barracuda hasn't turned in the homework I gave him yesterday:

viewtopic.php?p=408705#p408705

So let's finish the easy stuff before launching into the heavy-duty pyramid speculation which has even less to do with this topic than det cord.

p.s. none of your delightful badinage has the least relevance to Creighton's analysis of the Greenwald quote, which is up there for all to see.
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby wintler2 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:55 am

lupercal wrote:.. Creighton's analysis of the Greenwald quote,..

If it was Lupercals concise thoughts on Creightons analysis of Greenwalds quote it might be slightly interesting, or at least novel. But since Greenwald isn't Wikileaks, it still wouldn't be relevant.
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:16 am

lupercal wrote:

p.s. none of your delightful badinage has the least relevance to Creighton's analysis of the Greenwald quote, which is up there for all to see.


And Glenn Greenwald is opposed to the intervention in Libya according to the link in the article you posted/linked to. Greenwald doesn't like Gadaffi particularly, but so what? He is making the case that the US shouldn't have intervened in Libya and probably only did cos of the oil and the dislike of Ghadaffi. Which is obvious to everyone. (Well it should be.)

Seriously where is the logic?


Creighton tried to turn Greenwalds quote into something it wasn't. Its not so much an analysis as a misrepresentation.

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Postby barracuda » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:02 am

lupercal wrote:Whoa there cowboys, before we get carried away with the aspersion casting I see barracuda hasn't turned in the homework I gave him yesterday:

viewtopic.php?p=408705#p408705


Homework? Homie, your question - the whole post, for that matter - was so goofy, I thought you were kidding. Go do your own damn research on LaRouche if you don't understand his history, politics or function. While you're at it, you might as well figure out who Scott Creighton carries water for, too. I somehow doubt the two answers will wind up being significantly dissimilar.
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:34 pm

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Guys, there's no need for rolling with the trolling. You already know what lupercal does, and that by the quality of its logic it can only be the product of a mean-hearted agenda or else a state of delusion or dementia. I choose the former, not just out of respect for people with delusions or dementia, but because the lupercal work displays certain consistencies: i.e., all apparent popular manifestations against capitalism and empire are attacked as actually steered by the spooks, from an ostensibly anti-imperialist, more-conspiratorial-than-thou position with liberal sprinkage of confusionist or mock logic. It's supposed to eat your energies.

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Liberate yourselves!

I mean, unless you enjoy toying with such predictable prey.

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Postby barracuda » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:42 pm

I don't particularly enjoy it. But I think there's a degree of responsibility to respond to the anti-leftist leanings and supercilious certitude of lupercal and some of his sources, lest the forum be overrun by the likes of Scott Creighton and F. William Engdahl. If you recall, about a year and a half ago, Creighton was warning us all that WikiLeaks would cause the shutdown of a large portion of the internet. Remember?

Scott Creighton wrote:It’s unfortunate what is going to happen. We all know it. We all see it.


Now that this inevitability hasn't come to pass, he's blithely off to the next dalliance, this one in which Glenn Greenwald is a "propagandist of the right" and Assange is responsible for the thought processes of David Horowitz. At some point it should be made clear that these crypto-LaRouchians and NWO/ZOG proponents are simply wrong or lying for an agenda, rather than happily forgetting that whole pages of discussion were spent countering their paranoid pronouncements.
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:54 pm

barracuda wrote:At some point it should be made clear that these crypto-LaRouchians and NWO/ZOG proponents are simply wrong or lying for an agenda, rather than happily forgetting that whole pages of discussion were spent countering their paranoid pronouncements.


Those shouldn't be forgot, no. (I suppose another consolidation thread we lack.) "Start at zero" and "pretend innocence" are common techniques for perpetually reviving disinformation agendas (including those of the "debunkers").
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby wintler2 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:58 pm

JackRiddler wrote:.

Guys, there's no need for rolling with the trolling. You already know what lupercal does, and that by the quality of its logic it can only be the product of a mean-hearted agenda or else a state of delusion or dementia. I choose the former, not just out of respect for people with delusions or dementia, but because the lupercal work displays certain consistencies: i.e., all apparent popular manifestations against capitalism and empire are attacked as actually steered by the spooks, from an ostensibly anti-imperialist, more-conspiratorial-than-thou position with liberal sprinkage of confusionist or mock logic. It's supposed to eat your energies.
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Liberate yourselves!

I mean, unless you enjoy toying with such predictable prey.

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Nice summary, can somebody mint a label for it? I hereby announce a competition for an appropriate label for this phenomenon, prize: copy of my complete Marx Broz movie collection, mailed on a flash drive to anywhere in the world. Winner by popular usage here on RI. Conspiratard is a little inflammatory, WOO(ist) not i think quite the same thing tho they often co-occur. Get your entries in before nathan28 ramps the field!

As to trolling - on my bad days, i too often feed it. on a good day i like to think i dance with it, and do the required cognition, and a little light shines in, and often the bad-data-seeder goes away, temporarily of course. Ignoring it is like ignoring housework or car maintainence, when 'life is 90% maintainence'. Many trolls have come and gone over the years, and i see that alone as evidence that some sort of useful space is being maintained by collective effort. Ignoring bad behaviour doesn't make it stop or go away.
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Re: Cryptome founder/Wikileaks co-founder:"Wikileaks is a fr

Postby wintler2 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:10 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
barracuda wrote:At some point it should be made clear that these crypto-LaRouchians and NWO/ZOG proponents are simply wrong or lying for an agenda, rather than happily forgetting that whole pages of discussion were spent countering their paranoid pronouncements.


Those shouldn't be forgot, no. (I suppose another consolidation thread we lack.) "Start at zero" and "pretend innocence" are common techniques for perpetually reviving disinformation agendas (including those of the "debunkers").


True, happily we have the tools to prevail here. A memorable label and a consolidation thread compiling the sources and themes isn't exactly solving poverty.
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