The Crash of Flight 990

[sunny]

So ...... who would have been that person on JFK Jr.'s plane? \\

I'd have to watch the video again but iirc there is some evidence that Jr.'s flight instructor was on the plane.

[Bruce Dazzling]

So ...... who would have been that person on JFK Jr.'s plane? \\

Early reports indicated that a Certified Flight Instructor was also on board JFK Junior's flight, but those reports disappeared down the memory hole after the Pentagon took over control of the investigation.

The video that chump posted suggests that the Flight Instructor may have been a mind-controlled Manchurian candidate who turned off the fuel selector valve.

[Nordic]

after the Pentagon took over control of the investigation.

Really? The Pentagon took over the investigation?

Well that speaks volumes ....... no?

[sunny]

Yes.

[Bruce Dazzling]

after the Pentagon took over control of the investigation.

Really? The Pentagon took over the investigation?

Well that speaks volumes ....... no?

There's actually tons a great information in the video, Nordic, but I don't necessarily agree with every single one of the conclusions that are drawn (though I do agree with most).

What's indisputable, however, is that there was a conspiracy between the FAA and the Pentagon (where else have we heard that?) to prevent the search from starting in a timely manner, and then to make certain that it wasted much more time searching areas that, based on radar and air traffic controller data (also swept under the Pentagon's rug), couldn't possibly have been anywhere near the actual crash site.

Oh, and since we're talking about Flight 990 and conspiracies between the FAA and the Pentagon, this USA Today story points out that the air traffic controller who was responsible for 990 also handled Flights 11 and 175, but that was probably just a co-inkeedink.



http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11 ... ht-990.txt

[AlicetheKurious]

The plane in question was a Boeing 767, which reminded me of those that were used on 9/11. I remembered reading in an article about Dov Zakheim that he used to head a company called Systems Planning Corporation that specialized in remote control technology for aircraft, and that commuter 767s were among the planes that were fitted with remote control technology under his watch. Some 9/11 truth investigators claim that all 767s can be remote-controlled. As far as I can tell, remote control was not even considered as a possible cause of the Fl 990 disaster in 1999.

I can't help wondering: could crashing Flight 990 through remote control have been a case of killing two birds with one stone -- murdering the Egyptian officers on board at one shot, and at the same time a dry run for 9/11?

[Bruce Dazzling]

The plane in question was a Boeing 767, which reminded me of those that were used on 9/11. I remembered reading in an article about Dov Zakheim that he used to head a company called Systems Planning Corporation that specialized in remote control technology for aircraft, and that commuter 767s were among the planes that were fitted with remote control technology under his watch. Some 9/11 truth investigators claim that all 767s can be remote-controlled. As far as I can tell, remote control was not even considered as a possible cause of the Fl 990 disaster in 1999.

I can't help wondering: could crashing Flight 990 through remote control have been a case of killing two birds with one stone -- murdering the Egyptian officers on board at one shot, and at the same time a dry run for 9/11?

Yes, Alice.

And let's not forget that Zakheim was the Pentagon's comptroller when 2.3 trillion dollars was misplaced (whooopsee!), or that it was announced on September 10, 2001, and then quickly forgotten about.

[AlicetheKurious]

Post-revolution a lot of closed files are being reopened, including the strange case of Egyptair Flight 990. An Egyptian businessman has come out of the woodwork to tell his tale related to the doomed plane, and to formally request a new investigation from Egypt's Prosecutor General's Office. He appeared on Yosri Fouda's late night show "The Last Word" on June 8-9 (the show starts at 11:00 and continues until 2:00 am or so).

His story begins in 1999, when he was approached by a very wealthy and well-connected businessman (my educated guess is billionaire Shafik Gabr), who proposed that he consider running for a parliamentary seat in his district and also offered him a chance to travel to the US to scout out some potentially lucrative opportunities. The bewildered man figured he had nothing to lose by going on a free trip to the US, and so agreed. They left on October 14, 1999, along with a group of businesspeople involved in the agricultural industry, with an itinerary supposedly organized by USAID and led by an Egyptian USAID official. Out of the 36 members of the group, this man was the only businessman working in a non-agricultural field. Before leaving Egypt, he was asked to obtain a legal paper authorizing him to sign contracts on his firm's behalf.

First, they landed in New York for a transit stop, then on to Los Angeles, where they were met by a woman named "Kathy". From the beginning, Kathy seemed to single out this man for special attention and took him away from the rest of the group. She took him to visit a large farm and proposed that he buy it, assuring him that the large down-payment would be paid on his behalf. She also talked about all the great opportunities she could send his way, and then gradually began mentioning that he would need to go on training courses in France and elsewhere in Europe. The man was totally intimidated and began to smell something fishy, so he refused to commit himself, but encouraged her to keep talking. At one point, she casually suggested that he visit Tel Aviv to explore opportunities there, probably to gauge his reaction. That was when he became convinced that he was being recruited by the Mossad, so he explained to her that he suffered from diabetes and high blood pressure and that he needed to go home to Egypt to recuperate and to discuss any decisions with his family before he could make any commitments.

The original itinerary called for the group to return to Egypt on Egyptair Flight 990 on October 31. Instead, with no explanation, the group's return was rescheduled for October 29, leaving 36 empty places on the October 31st flight. These 36 places were filled by the 33 Egyptian officers and 3 Egyptian geologists at the last minute, all of whom were killed in the subsequent crash.

As soon as he learned of the crash, the man contacted the Egyptian authorities to tell them about his strange trip. Within hours he received a phone call from a man who identified himself as an official in the "President's Office". The man told him to forget everything he'd experienced and not even tell himself about it, or else. That was in 1999.

In 2001, he received a visit in Egypt from Kathy, whose efforts to recruit him became more blatant and aggressive. Frightened and not knowing who to turn to, he still refused to commit himself. Suddenly, this man, who'd enjoyed a long and relatively prosperous but obscure business career, found himself the object of numerous lawsuits accusing him of fraud, combined with troubles with suppliers and other crises related to his business. At the same time, Kathy and her Egyptian associates pressured him to work for them by contrasting the untold wealth he'd enjoy if he did, with the bankruptcy he'd face if he didn't play along.

He eventually did lose his main business, but he was able to survive by running other, smaller businesses that were owned by his wife. In 2005, he saw Kathy in Egypt again. She told him that he had no idea who he was dealing with, that they in fact run Egypt and that they have already selected its current and future presidents. He asked her who would be Mubarak's successor and she told him first Mubarak's son Gamal, with Mubarak crony and steel magnate Ahmed Ezz as Prime Minister, and then after Gamal Mubarak's two terms, he would be succeeded by Ahmed Ezz as Egypt's president. She told him that the "down payment had already been paid", and indicated that this 'down payment' had comprised Mubarak's collaboration in the assassination of the 36 outstanding Egyptian officers and geologists. Among other things, she also told him that, "Egyptians can only be ruled under a State of Emergency, nothing else is acceptable to us." Later, it struck him that the State of Emergency, each time it had to be renewed, was coincidentally always preceded by some horrible attack in January (almost always a bloody attack against Coptic targets), the most recent being the bombing of the Two-Saints' Church in Alexandria on New Year's Eve 2010.

In 2005, she made one final demand of him. She wanted him to introduce her to a friend of his, who was a prominent officer in the Egyptian Air Force. Instead, he picked a fight with the officer to ensure that they were no longer on speaking terms and that the latter would refuse to accept his calls, infuriating Kathy and prompting her to tell him that they didn't need him after all, that the "Joint Exercises" had gone off without a hitch. Later he discovered that 27 of Egypt's best and brightest officers had died in various "accidents" in the course of the exercises, including a single bus crash in which 14 were killed.

At this point, beginning to understand that very high-level officials of Egypt's own government were co-conspirators in a foreign intelligence plot to murder Egypt's most promising military officers, the man began to carefully document everything he knew, and to try to obtain records to corroborate every detail of his story, even though he knew that those involved included the president himself, and that this president was absolute dictator of a police state. At the time, he had no idea what he would do with the information, but when Mubarak was ousted on February 11, he began to hope.

The man lives in Alexandria. He hired a lawyer who helped him prepare a file with all the documents and information he had compiled, and sent it by registered mail to Egypt's Prosecutor General in Cairo at the beginning of May, then waited for a response, but none came.

He and the lawyer decided to take the file in person to the Prosecutor General's Office, which they did. The file was accepted but again, there was no reaction. He began to contact various media and investigative journalists, but even those who expressed an initial interest later refused without explaining why. Only Yosri Fouda had accepted to cover this man's story. The man said that if anything should happen to him, he wanted to make sure that the information would not be lost. He brought a copy of the file with him and told Yosri Fouda that it was the same file he had provided twice to the Prosecutor General's Office.

His testimony on Fouda's show was followed by that of relatives of the Egyptians who had been killed on Flight 990, including the nephew of the pilot who allegedly committed suicide by crashing the plane. They recounted the outrageous treatment, including threats, they had received at the hands of the American "investigators" and the Egyptian authorities. Among other things, they said that some of them had been given their loved ones' luggage and personal possessions intact, which would have been impossible if the plane had indeed disintegrated and burned as the official story says. Yosri Fouda also testified about the incredible difficulties he had faced from Western and Egyptian officials, when he did an investigative piece back when he still worked for Al-Jazeera. Furthermore, on the one year anniversary of the crash, back in 2000, Al-Jazeera aired numerous promos announcing that Fouda's report would be re-broadcast, but then it wasn't, with no explanation.

Interestingly, no other media picked up on this man's story and it disappeared without a ripple. What's even stranger is that Yosri Fouda's show appears on the ONTV satellite tv network, which has a website on which you can view previously aired episodes. This episode is not included in its roster. It so happened that a friend of mine recorded it and made a cd for me.

[vanlose kid]

^ ^

any possibility of a youtube upload with subtitles?



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[8bitagent]

Thank you for this Alice. Indeed, I remember 990 in 1999, and always thought it was truly strange. The alleged "suicide pilot", or whatever. Funny how revelations seem to come out a decade or more on.

I know you and I sometimes clash on a few sticking points, but I consider you one of the most polished, intelligent and well researched people on here and I ALWAYS appreciate your input and analysis.

I'm curious, what is life life for you and just in general in "post liberated" Egypt?

[AlicetheKurious]

any possibility of a youtube upload with subtitles?

I hate being such a techie moron! Yosri Fouda's Youtube channel is here, but I have no idea how to search for specific shows. The one I described above aired on the night of June 8th.

[AlicetheKurious]

I'm curious, what is life life for you and just in general in "post liberated" Egypt?

We're still hoping to find out.

[MinM]

#2. EgyptAir Flight 990 Crashed Because of a Sexual Misconduct Charge, Not Jihad

On Halloween, 1999, an EgyptAir flight crashed into the Atlantic Ocean, killing all passengers and crew on board. In the subsequent investigation, the black box indicated that there was nothing mechanically wrong with the plane, and that relief pilot Gameel al-Batouti was recorded saying "I rely on God" before disabling the autopilot and throwing the plane into a dive. The plane crashed 60 miles from Massachusetts.

So, it had to be a suicide attack, right? September 11 was still a few years away, but everyone knew what an intentional suicide mission looked like. And even though Egypt's investigation concluded that there had to be a mechanical failure on the plane, Egypt was being run by a guy who sent his one and only political rival to jail for forgery, so it's not like we're talking about a transparent investigation. Sure enough, the official report on the American side recorded zero mechanical failures and ruled that al-Batouti had intentionally crashed the plane.

And even in 1999, when Americans heard "Gameel al-Batouti intentionally crashed the plane," they immediately thought, "Jihad."

The Story You Didn't Know:

Relief pilot al-Batouti could have been named Jim Bob Nutsflinger and he still would have had the incentive to crash EgyptAir 990. He didn't snap because he wanted to get 72 virgins in heaven, but because he'd just been reprimanded over sexual misconduct and demoted from his U.S.-to-Egypt route. In fact, he was told hours before the flight that this particular flight was to be his last. Oh, and the guy who was responsible for the demotion was on the flight, along with a shit-ton of other EgyptAir crew.

None of this information actually made it onto the official National Transportation Safety Board report, because the NTSB is not in the business of writing a soap opera script. Nor did the revenge theory make it into Egypt's official investigation, because according to them, al-Batouti was a martyr, and "America's goal is to hide the truth by blaming the EgyptAir pilot." The only reason why we know about the possible motive is because another EgyptAir pilot passed on the information to the FBI when he tried to defect from his country.

All we know for sure is that a guy with a history of flashing his privates at college students had a really bad day and apparently decided to take it out on 216 other people.

#1. The Space Shuttle Columbia Disaster Almost Happened Again Two Years Later

http://www.cracked.com/article_19876_6- ... rt_p2.html

6 Famous News Stories That Forgot to Tell You the Best Part
By: Douglas A. McDonnell June 12, 2012 1,071,492 views

#6. The Anthrax Attacks After 9/11 Were the Work of One Mentally Ill American Scientist

...The Story You Didn't Know:

First, if you followed the story in the years since, you know that eventually investigators started to think that maybe it wasn't al-Qaida at all. They finally narrowed in on a suspect: American bioweapons expert Dr. Steven Hatfill. But Hatfill didn't do it -- in fact, he eventually got over $5 million from the U.S. government for their accusations.

Suspect No. 2 was a Dr. Bruce Ivins, and we say "was" because he committed suicide in 2008. And the reason he took his life, besides his long history of mental illness and depression, was that the FBI was on the brink of naming him as their chief suspect in the attacks. The FBI traced the anthrax spores to a laboratory where he worked, and not all that many people had access to them. So, what, was he a secret jihadist? Was he paid by al-Qaida? Or was he a right-wing anti-government type, like Timothy McVeigh?

Well, here's where it gets weird. Dr. Ivins was actually one of the experts who helped in the aftermath of the anthrax attack (he worked at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases). In fact, the Department of Defense actually awarded him for his work. He was a churchgoing dad who juggled and volunteered with the Red Cross.

But despite his Sunday-school-teacher resume, there were some bad-guy-in-an-Oliver-Stone-movie qualities about Ivins' life as well. Like how he was so obsessed with an old unrequited romance from his college days that he stalked the woman's former sorority. We're talking about stalked-stalked. As in, he secretly made derogatory edits on the sorority's Wikipedia page under the name Jimmyflathead...


http://www.cracked.com/article_19876_6- ... -part.html

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I'm curious, what is life life for you and just in general in "post liberated" Egypt?

We're still hoping to find out.

[8bitagent]

"It appears that the perpetrator of the anthrax attacks wasn't a terrorist at all, but a random crazy guy straight from the government's own labs."

Yep, nothing to see here. Cracked.com should work for the government. They're about as subversive as CNN

[Simulist]

Yep, nothing to see here. Cracked.com should work for the government. They're about as subversive as CNN

Your comment has been rolling around in my head since I read it a bit ago, 8bit... And, during that time, I couldn't figure out why it was that I kept thinking about a magic trick I'd witnessed once — long, long ago.

But I may have figured it out.

In order to make the massive object in the trick seem to disappear, the audience was directed to look through a narrow window that had been erected between us and it. Similarly, in cases like this there is "nothing to see here" — ever — when people follow the directions, and keep looking through the narrow windows that are erected for us to look through.

All the interesting little inconsistencies just... disappear. As if by magic.