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Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:14 am

Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck
By Barry Estabrook
June 13, 2011
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Excerpted from the new book "Tomatoland: How Modern Industrial Agriculture Destroyed Our Most Alluring Fruit"

In Vermont, where I live, as in much of the rest of the United States, a gardener can select pretty much any sunny patch of ground, dig a small hole, put in a tomato seedling, and come back two months later and harvest something. Not necessarily a bumper crop of plump, unblemished fruits, but something. When I met Monica Ozores-Hampton, a vegetable specialist with the University of Florida, I asked her what would happen if I applied the same laissez-faire horticultural practices to a tomato plant in Florida. She shot me a sorrowful, slightly condescending look and replied, "Nothing."

"Nothing?" I asked.

"There would be nothing left of the seedling," she said. "Not a trace. The soil here doesn’t have any nitrogen, so it wouldn’t have grown at all. The ground holds no moisture, so unless you watered regularly, the plant would certainly die. And, if it somehow survived, insect pests, bacteria, and fungal diseases would destroy it." How can it be, then, that Florida is the source for one-third of the fresh tomatoes Americans eat? How did tomatoes become the Sunshine State’s most valuable vegetable crop, accounting for nearly one-third of the total revenue generated?

From a purely botanical and horticultural perspective, you would have to be an idiot to attempt to commercially grow tomatoes in a place like Florida. The seemingly insurmountable challenges start with the soil itself. Or more accurately, the lack of it. Although an area south of Miami has limestone gravel as a growing medium, the majority of the state’s tomatoes are raised in sand. Not sandy loam, not sandy soil, but pure sand, no more nutrient rich than the stuff vacationers like to wiggle their toes into on the beaches of Daytona and St. Pete. "A little piece of loam or clay would go a long way," said Ozores-Hampton. "But, hello? -- this is just pure sand." In that nearly sterile medium, Florida tomato growers have to practice the equivalent of hydroponic production, only without the greenhouses.

Because of the state’s benign weather, disease-causing organisms and insects do not die from the frosts, blizzards, and subzero cold snaps that kill bugs and pathogens every winter in colder growing areas. Basking in the same balmy climate as the state’s active retirees, Florida’s pests, fungi, and bacteria stay vigorous and healthy yearround, just waiting to attack the next crop of tomatoes. Those endlessly sunny winter days that the state’s tourism agency likes to tout in its advertisements also pack high levels of humidity the promoters prefer not to mention. Not so comfortable for humans, humidity is ideal for the growth of blights, wilts, spots, and molds. Hardy native weeds like nut grass ("called that because it can drive you nuts," one farmer told me) can easily out-compete tomato plants. Some weeds are so tough they can punch through plastic mulch laid down to suppress them. The renowned sunshine also means that rain is patchy in the winter months. Because sand retains almost no water, tomatoes have to be irrigated. And even though the daytime skies may be clear and bright, Florida is still in the Northern Hemisphere and days are short in the winter. A tomato growing in South Florida in late December gets only a little over ten and a half hours of sunlight a day, whereas one growing in New Jersey in June gets fifteen hours -- nearly 50 percent more. Shorter days mean less vigorous growth. A tomato trying to grow in Florida also experiences debilitating temperature swings that a tomato in California or Ohio never has to face. As many a disappointed vacationer has learned, a stretch of eighty-five-degree beach days can be broken overnight by one of the notorious cold fronts that frequently blow across the state, dropping temperatures into the forties, thirties, and even lower. Add to all that the occasional hurricane that flattens the staked tomatoes and the all-too-frequent January or February frost that leaves thousands of acres of vines blackened and dead, and you have to ask: Why bother trying to grow something as temperamental as a tomato in such a hostile environment?

The answer has nothing to do with horticulture and everything to do with money. Florida just happens to be warm enough for a tomato to survive at a time of year when the easily accessed population centers in the Midwest, Mid-Atlantic, and Northeast, with their hordes of tomato-starved consumers, are frigid, their fields frozen solid under carpets of snow. But for tomatoes to survive long enough to take advantage of that huge potential market, Florida growers have to wage what amounts to total war against the elements. Forget the Hague Convention: We’re talking about chemical, biological, and scorched-earth warfare against the forces of nature.

In tomato agribusiness’s campaign to defend their crop from the powers that would otherwise destroy a tomato field, Ozores-Hampton, who came from her native Chile to the University of Florida in the mid 1990s to do graduate work, is a key ally. She is an anomaly in the managerial and academic ranks of Florida’s tomato industry. She is not only a woman (rare enough) but an energetic, forceful, extremely fit Latina in her forties who spends her workdays toiling in the hot sun of her tomato test plots in rural areas populated by self-proclaimed red necks and crackers, then hops in her car Friday evenings and spins off to her pied-à-terre in Miami’s trendy South Beach district. Almost every other nonfieldworker I encountered in the tomato business was white, male, and sporting at the very least a few gray hairs and/or nurturing a developing paunch, the type of guy you’d encounter on a Saturday on a golf course or in a bass boat. "They all call me 'the Tomato Lady,'" Ozores-Hampton said. "Everyone knows who that is."

For someone who does not fit the mold of Tomatoland’s Good Ole Boys’ Club, Ozores-Hampton has been given tremendous responsibilities. Her territory encompasses most of the state south of Tampa. She is the only university horticulturalist serving an area that has 180,000 acres of vegetables (more than half the state’s vegetable acreage). That land generates annual revenues of $1.6 billion to farmers. She is so important to the industry that when her postdoctoral work ended, a group of growers approached the president of the cash-strapped University of Florida and offered to help fund her fulltime, tenure-track position for four years. Ozores-Hampton’s specialty is soil nutrients. She studies the cycles of plant, soil, and water interaction to determine the optimal level at which fertilizers should be applied so as to maximize production, leaving as little surplus nitrogen and potassium in the soil as possible. Excess fertilizer is a costly waste for farmers and pollutes groundwater, lakes, and rivers that feed such environmentally delicate habitats as the Everglades and Florida Bay. On the March morning that I dropped into her lab/offices in the university’s Southwest Florida Research & Education Center near Immokalee, several of Ozores-Hampton’s assistants were upending bushel-size plastic tubs of bright green tomatoes onto lab benches. She explained that they were doing evaluations of different varieties that day to see which were the most productive. "It’s the cornerstone of agriculture anywhere in the world," she said. "If you don’t start with the right varieties, you are not going to succeed."

When I told her I had come hoping to gain an understanding of how the tomatoes that find their way into the nation’s supermarkets and fast food outlets are grown, she gestured toward an empty office off to one side of the lab. "You’ve come to the right place," she said, sitting me down as if I were one of her less promising undergrads. "If you want to understand how we grow tomatoes, you have to start at the end of the last harvest, which around here is in April." She explained that during the summer, a farmer can do three things with his land. Some growers put in cover crops like sorghum and sudangrass, which incorporate a little organic material into the soil and out-compete any weeds that spring up. Cover crops also disrupt the cycle of pathogens and nematodes (microscopic worms that destroy tomatoes’ roots) by putting a different species into rotation with what would otherwise be a monocrop -- tomato after tomato after tomato. In addition, cover crops serve to capture and store the nitrogen and other fertilizers left behind after the growing season. Instead of using cover crops, farmers can also simply leave the fields fallow. Weeds come up, and they use the herbicide Roundup to kill the weeds. Still other growers choose to flood the fields, drowning weeds, pathogens, and nematodes.


Whatever route a grower chooses, the land lies fallow for sixty to ninety days. By July, it’s time to start preparing for the next season’s crop. Step one is all but identical to the first stage of erecting yet another Florida condo development or shopping mall. Heavy equipment removes all traces of vegetation, leaving a perfectly flat, dry rectangle of pristine sand. Before anything else can happen, that sand has to be watered somehow. And fortunately, water is one area where nature gives Florida farmers a break. Although rain can be unpredictable in the winter, the state is awash in ground water and crisscrossed with canals and ditches meant to drain that water from what would otherwise be swampland.

"Good thing, too," Ozores-Hampton said, "or you and I would be sitting underwater right now." The shallow layer of sand sits atop impermeable "hard pan," made up of clay and compacted organic matter. Some farmers use traditional drip irrigation, where hoses with small holes are run between plants to deliver a trickle of water, but most growers in South Florida employ a system unique to the area called "seepage irrigation." They simply pump water into canals and ditches that cross their fields. The water sinks down to the impermeable hard pan, and with nowhere else to go, seeps outward, moistening the sand from below. If a heavy rain falls, the farmer pumps water out of his field back into a larger canal, lowering the water level beneath his plants’ roots and maintaining optimum moisture. "To do this type of irrigation, you have to have water, you have to have sandy soil, and you have to have an impermeable layer to keep that water from draining away," said Ozores-Hampton. South Florida is the only agricultural area in the world that has such conditions.

For such a system to be effective, crops must be grown in raised beds that are covered in plastic to slow the evaporation. To fashion these beds, Florida growers use principles familiar to any child who has constructed a sand castle: Too little moisture and your castle disintegrates immediately; too much and it slumps into a pile of shapeless muck. But if the moisture level is just right, you can construct a castle with steep-sided moats, crenellated walls, and smoothly rounded turrets. Once they have the right concentrations of moisture in tomato-field sand, farmers inoculate it with a "bottom mix" of fertilizer containing about 20 percent of the nitrogen and potassium the plant will need. GPS-guided tractors equipped with laser levelers carve straight lines of perfectly flat-topped beds that are about three feet wide and raised eight inches above the trenches that run between them, a process that is called "pulling beds." Another tractor follows closely behind. Its job is to apply the remaining 80 percent of the nitrogen and potassium, called the "hot mix," into two deep grooves that it gouges on the outside edges of the bed. The tomatoes’ roots grow to the edge of the deposits of soluble fertilizer and absorb the exact amount they need over the course of the season, growing farther into the deposit as they deplete one area. "The roots are intelligent. They know where to grow," said Ozores-Hampton.

If those roots are going to do their job, however, they must be protected from competitive weeds, disease spores, and especially nematodes, which thrive in Florida. Growers have a ready solution to these problems. They kill everything in the soil. To do so, they fumigate the beds with methyl bromide, one of the most toxic chemicals in conventional agriculture’s arsenal. The Pesticide Action Network of North America, a group advocating for stricter controls on pesticide use, rates methyl bromide as a "Bad Actor," a category reserved only for the worst of the worst agricultural poisons. The fumigant can kill humans after brief exposure in small concentrations. Sublethal doses cause disruptions in estrogen production, sterility, birth defects, and other reproductive problems. Banned from most crops, methyl bromide can still be used on strawberries, eggplants, peppers, and tomatoes. The chemical is injected into the newly formed beds, which are immediately sealed beneath a tight wrapper of polyethylene plastic mulch. Then the growers wait while the chemical does its lethal work. Within two weeks, every living organism -- every insect, fungus, weed seed, and germ -- in the beds is dead. "It’s like chemotherapy," said Ozores-Hampton. Once the soil is suitably lifeless, it’s time to plant tomatoes.

To do this, yet another tractor traverses the fields. This one tows a contraption that could have come off the drawing board of Rube Goldberg himself. It has six low-slung seats behind its rear wheels. Farmworkers sit on the seats with their backsides only inches away from the top of the bed and their legs jutting forward -- a position that from a distance looks like a child sitting on a small sled. Near one of each worker’s hands is a tray holding hundreds of six-inch-tall, five-week-old tomato seedlings. The machine creeps along the rows, punching holes through the plastic, into which the workers pop the little plants. All of the nutrients the tomatoes will need for the rest of their lives are sealed beneath the plastic, which can be either white to deflect sun in warm parts of the state or black to heat the soil in cooler regions. The plastic impedes weed growth, maintains even moisture levels in the sand, and prevents rain from washing away the fertilizer.

Even though all the plants’ basic needs are met, tomato culture remains labor intensive right until the day when a worker manually picks the fruits from the vines. After being put in the ground, a tomato plant will feel the touch of a human hand nearly a dozen more times. Within three or four weeks of planting, the growing seedlings need support. Machines drive wooden stakes into the center of the beds, and workers move down the rows tightly weaving plastic twine around the stakes and between the vines, a process that will be repeated on three or four more occasions during the growing season. Also at this time, the young plants are hand pruned. Using their fingers, workers pluck off suckers, shoots that spring out from the bottom of the plants and from between the main vine and branches. This forces the plant to channel its energies into producing fruit, rather than expending them on sprawling stems and excess foliage. Professional horticulturalists called scouts visit the fields at frequent intervals and carefully survey roughly one out of every twenty acres (forty- to forty-five thousand acres are planted with tomatoes in Florida) checking for insects and diseases. They typically supply the farm manager with twice-weekly reports, and on that basis he decides what insecticides, herbicides, and fungicides to apply.

During the months it spends in the field, a Florida tomato plant can be attacked by at least twenty-seven insect species and twenty-nine diseases. Between ten and fifteen weeds commonly try to outcompete the tomato plant for sunlight and soil nutrients. To combat these pests, a conventional Florida farmer has a fearsome array of more than one hundred chemicals at his disposal. The Vegetable Production Handbook for Florida 2010–2011, a 328-page "crop management" manual put out by the University of Florida, lists nineteen available herbicides for tomato production, should nuisance weeds become an issue. These products have macho-sounding trade names such as Aim, Arrow, Touchdown, Cobra, GoalTender, Firestorm, Scythe, and Prowl. Six of the recommended herbicides fall into Pesticide Action Network’s rogues’ gallery of Bad Actors. They include carcinogens, chemicals that cause damage to the brain and nervous system, chemicals that disrupt the reproductive system and cause birth defects, and chemicals that are so dangerous that even brief exposure can kill a person outright. But that’s just the beginning. Tomatoes are notoriously vulnerable to fungal attack in Florida. Growers keep their plants’ leaves green and spotless with thirty-one different fungicides, eleven of which are Bad Actors. And should any of the region’s numerous and voracious spider mites, potato beetles, armyworms, cabbage loopers, hornworms, tomato fruitworms, flea beetles, whiteflies, thrips, aphids, leafminers, stink bugs, grasshoppers, mealybugs, mole crickets, or blister beetles decide that a farmer’s tomatoes would make a good dinner, he can blast them with one of sixty pesticides, seventeen of which make the Bad Actor list. This chemical defense system comes at a cost. According to figures compiled by the Florida Tomato Exchange, an industry group, a grower typically applies more than $2,000 worth of chemical fertilizers and pesticides to every acre of tomatoes (an area about the size of a football field) that he raises during a season. An acre of Florida tomatoes gets hit with five times as much fungicide and six times as much pesticide as an acre of California tomatoes.

A distressing number of those chemicals are still on tomatoes when they reach supermarket produce sections. Using research compiled by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the Environmental Working Group found that 54 percent of tomato samples contained detectable levels of pesticides, which puts tomatoes in the middle of the forty-nine produce items they surveyed (celery, peaches, strawberries, and apples were the most often contaminated; onions, avocados, and frozen sweet corn the least). U.S. Department of Agriculture studies found traces of thirty-five pesticides on conventionally grown fresh tomatoes: endosulfan, azoxystrobin, chlorothalonil, methamidophos, permethrin trans, permethrin cis, fenpropathrin, trifloxystrobin, o-phenylphenol, pieronyl butoxide, acetamprid, pyrimethanil, boscalid, bifenthrin, dicofol p., thiamethoxam, chlorpyrifos, dicloran, flonicamid, pyriproxyfen, omethoate, pyraclostrobin, famoxadone, clothianidin, cypermethrin, clothianidin, cypermethrin, fenhexamid, oxamyl, diazinon, buprofezin, cyazofamid, deltamethrin, acephate, and folpet. It is important to note that residues of these chemicals were below levels considered to be harmful to humans, but in high enough concentrations, three are known or probable carcinogens, six are neurotoxins, fourteen are endocrine disruptors, and three cause reproductive problems and birth defects.

With all the help they can get from their chemical friends, and provided that they are not killed by frosts or blown over by hurricanes, Florida tomatoes are ready for picking after ten to fifteen weeks. Ready for picking, but by no means ripe. An industrial Florida tomato is harvested when it is still hard and green and then taken to a packinghouse, where it is gassed with ethylene until it artificially acquires the appearance of ripeness. But as far back as the 1920s, food scientists had determined that no tomato artificially ripened with ethylene would ever have taste and texture equal to one allowed to ripen naturally. In the field, any fruits that show the slightest blush of pink, let alone red, are left to rot or are scavenged by freelance "pinhookers" who pay a small fee to enter fields that have been harvested and collect fruits showing color to sell to local restaurants and vegetable stands or through pinhookers’ markets. It’s not that the Florida growers can’t pack fully ripe tomatoes. They have done it in the past. But doing so requires frequent harvesting over a long period of time, which is costly. It is more profitable for them and their large fast food and supermarket customers to handle and sell tomatoes that are harvested in two or three passes when they are green, indestructibly hard, and impeccably smooth skinned and have a couple of weeks of shelf life ahead of them. Taste does not enter the equation. "No consumer tastes a tomato in the grocery store before buying it. I have not lost one sale due to taste," one grower said. "People just want something red to put in their salad."

This article is excerpted from Barry Estabrook's Tomatoland, released this month by Andrews McMeel Publishing. Buy it here.
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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby hanshan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:43 am

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a shame, really.


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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:31 am

hanshan wrote:...

a shame, really.


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yes but I do grow my own Image

6 ft tall tomato from seed
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waiting and waiting for these to turn yellow
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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:14 am

Nice garden SLAD.

I love the locally grown 'Creole' tomatoes, they are the best!
Delicious.

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Tomatoes are America's favorite homegrown vegetable. Here, the Creole tomato has achieved a status of "vegetable supreme." There is no denying that we can grow some of the tastiest tomatoes in the world, and now is the time to plant transplants into your garden.

Any red, medium- to large-fruited tomato cultivar, grown locally in the River Parishes and vine-ripened, is considered a Creole tomato. The local growing conditions and vine-ripening give Creole tomatoes flavor superior to any tomato harvested green and shipped from other areas. Local commercial producers of Creole tomatoes use several different cultivars ('Celebrity' was the most common for many years).

There is a 'Creole' tomato cultivar that was developed by the LSU Agricultural Center many years ago. People who think that 'Creole' refers to a particular cultivar tend to buy and plant tomatoes labeled 'Creole.' But there are far better, more disease-resistant cultivars available these days, and 'Creole' is not on the LSU AgCenter's recommended list.

Recommended cultivars include these vining types: 'Better Boy,' 'Fantastic,' 'Monte Carlo' and 'Sweet Million' (cherry); and these bush types: 'Bingo,' 'Celebrity,' 'Mountain Delight,' 'Solar Set' and 'Sunleaper.'

Many other cultivars of large-fruited, cherry and plum tomatoes can be grown successfully. If planting several tomato plants, try different cultivars to ensure good production.

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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby hanshan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:34 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
hanshan wrote:...

a shame, really.


...



yes but I do grow my own Image

6 ft tall tomato from seed
Image

waiting and waiting for these to turn yellow
Image

btw the first peas (to the right) were really sweetImage


don't have the spectacular results as slad; do have, however something that blew me
away & still can't quite process: mature, edible, fruit (tabasco pepper), after 4wks in the ground
(it's a 90 -110 day plant).Used this for the first time:


http://www.originalsonicbloom.com/background.htm

ordered plants from:http://www.territorialseed.com/

curious/inexplicable

nice vegs slad, kudos;cool pics 2

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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby Nordic » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:44 pm

last summer i worked on a commercial where we shot in a huge commercial spinach field, then a tomato field in california.

i was amazed at how good the tomatoes were. however they weren't shipped to the supermarket as tomatoes, they were sent to a plant to be turned into spaghetti sauce and ketchup etc.

it was insane how many pounds of tomtoes there were per square foot.

i guess it's all about the shipping. didn't they breed or mutate one that was square? for easier shipping?

farmer's market is really the only place to buy them if you don't grow them.
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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby beeline » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:56 pm

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I tried to grow a batch last year. Fucking squirrels kept eating them.
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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby kenoma » Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:21 pm

Supermarket-sold 'Tomatoes on the vine' are a bigger scam than the War on Terror.
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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby winsomecowboy2 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:17 pm

seemslikeadream
red fig pear shaped by the look of it.

I've got mixed heirlooms, hundreds, mainly 6 varieties but another 10 or so that are not as suited to Hawaii after experimentation.

One thing I enjoy is that for the most part you can still get perfect fruit from an imperfect plant. Probably fooling myself but I'll take profundity where i find it.
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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:01 am

So I was on my way home today and saw a tomato stand on the side of the road. I immediately thought of this thread as I had to stop.
I picked up 4 lbs. of Creoles from two old dudes (and I mean really old dudes). Old school types that reminded me of my grandfather.
Grandad had a huge tomato and okra garden. It also had eggplant, cucumber and beans. He was like the farmer for the entire family.
These old guys were selling all these items out the back of their truck.

I just finished off the first pound or so.

I've grown a bit myself. The easiest I have found are the cherry tomatoes. Grow them beside a fence, keep the roots watered and you'll be picking/eating all summer.
My experience, Creoles are a bit trickier and much more skill is involved.


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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby hanshan » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:45 pm

hanshan wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
hanshan wrote:...

a shame, really.


...



yes but I do grow my own Image

6 ft tall tomato from seed
Image

waiting and waiting for these to turn yellow
Image

btw the first peas (to the right) were really sweetImage


don't have the spectacular results as slad; do have, however something that blew me
away & still can't quite process: mature, edible, fruit (tabasco pepper), after 4wks in the ground
(it's a 90 -110 day plant).Used this for the first time:


http://www.originalsonicbloom.com/background.htm

ordered plants from:http://www.territorialseed.com/

curious/inexplicable

nice vegs slad, kudos;cool pics 2

...


Rendering a more complete account, the plants (tomato & peppers)
were put in the ground around the end of May, & the nighttime temps stayed
in the forties w/ daytime temps rarely rising above 60-65 for the following 3wks.
The above like heat. Thought, they may not make it; my own spring exuberance
has drubbed my favorites. All the while (daily, early morning) broadcasting the sonic stimulus w/ foliar fertilizer every 3 days. 3o days in the ground & had fully formed tabasco
peppers (3, but still). Odd.


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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:16 pm

beeline wrote:.

I tried to grow a batch last year. Fucking squirrels kept eating them.


We're trying to grow a batch this year, except for the fact we're in Seattle. I really am beginning to wonder if any kind of summer is going to happen at all. It's not miserable by any means, but summer weather of any kind has not yet happened at all. Except I guess that is summer out here. Today they were calling for mid 70s and it wound up drizzling. Sure, my browser says it's 69 right now, which is great -- in April. . .
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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:01 pm

beeline wrote:.

I tried to grow a batch last year. Fucking squirrels kept eating them.


are you sure it was squirrels?????? We have .. oh I dunno.. five thousand squirrels living on my block and never once ever have they touched a tomato. They like the bulbs & the nuts but none of the veggies whatsoever.

Slugs, though, have eaten almost all of our strawberries! I had thought it was mice all this time.. or birds at least .. something that can MOVE.

SLAD - WOW! Our tomatoes are just now reaching a foot tall - and the peppers and cucumbers appear to be lost causes this year. I have Fukushima paranoia about it, TBH.
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Re: Why Supermarket Tomatoes Suck

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:06 pm

Why the fuck is Jacob Nielson talking about tomatoes?
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