Theophobia

[Laodicean]

FB status update from one Ziggy Marley just 6 min ago:

during a dream i bcame aware dat it was a dream so i consciously made an effort to control my dreamself. dreaming with mind awake
i always remind myself before i sleep that if i dream i will not just be a spectator of my dreamself but actually make conscious decisions of what i want to do in my dreams. twice i have achieved this now. i hope to keep trying until i master my dreamself just as i control my worldself.]

[hanshan]

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"A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose".

I sometimes don't know what a rose is either. Forgetting is part of the creative process.

Most certainly.

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[vanlose kid]

... Don't be so mean to him VK.

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i wasn't being mean. i amn't. and i willn't. i think that's pretty clear.
edit: just applying the critical thinking scalpel on a bit of critical thought by an avowed critical thinker. as i said, again and again, rajneesh, doesn't really come into it. that's allowed, right?

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[vanlose kid]

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...So where does this leave us? Not "faith bad" or "faith good" but definitely "faith not enough by itself".

that's a fairly trivial point to be making. and as such, not much of a point seeing that no one sane or rational, whether or not they have faith, would claim the opposite, i.e. "faith by itself is enough", whatever that means. what faith? enough for what?

also, the proposition of the OP is that people, academics for instance, are sometimes dismissed merely on the grounds that they are people of faith (whatever faith they may profess) –- in other words that people of faith, by definition, are incapable of thought, any thought whatsoever. which is a pretty strong claim.

now AD's turned it into a discussion of rajneesh. whatever.

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[IanEye]

in my love garden
i wrestled with an angel



not in a dream - her eyes did seem
like grapes on the vine

[Searcher08]

About the track: (from Azam Ali)
It was the music of the visionary Abbess Hildegard Von Bingen that first opened my ears and my heart to the music of medieval Europe. In my opinion, she was on of the greatest and most profilic souls to have graced this earth. Although she is best known for her music, which are some of the most beautiful and unique compositions written in the middle ages, she was also a mystic, naturalist, and playwright. Her renunciation of the world, her passionate dedication to a life of creativity, and her extreme devotion to God have left us with a profoundly deep legacy of music and spirituality.

[justdrew]

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"A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose".

I sometimes don't know what a rose is either. Forgetting is part of the creative process.

it's the past-tense of arise

[vanlose kid]

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theophilia

björk

who is it?




that never lets you down...



that gave you back your crown...

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[American Dream]

Up for talking about Bob Dylan's "faith"?

Here's something to get the ball rolling:

TUESDAY, MAY 24, 2011

Bob Dylan: Born again and again


(Dylan at St. Lawrence University)


After 70 birthdays, it seems that Bob Dylan just keeps being born again and again.

The first time around, he was born as Robert Zimmerman to a Jewish family from Minnesota. Thirteen years later, he was born into manhood at his 1954 Bar Mitzvah. In 1971, well after being born again as folksinger Bob Dylan, Zimmerman visited Israel and met with Rabbi Meir Kahane of the Jewish Defense League (whom he called “a really sincere guy”). At the time, Time Magazine also reported that Dylan was returning to “his Jewishness” and “reading all kinds of books on Judaism.”

All that was before Dylan boarded the Slow Train to be born yet again as a Christian. In the late 1970s, he began earnestly studying Christianity after a hotel-room conversion experience. Upon noticing that Dylan looked quite ill during a concert, a fan had tossed a silver cross upon the stage. He picked it up and took it back to his room that night. Dylan later said that Jesus appeared to him as a palpable and divine presence - right there in that Tucson hotel room. He then studied for months under the tutelage of the Vineyard Fellowship, a Bible-based ministry. During this time, he also read the apocalyptic works of Hal Lindsey.

Born out of this intensity was Dylan’s acclaimed 1979 “gospel” album, Slow Train Coming. The most famous song from this album was the Grammy-winning Gotta Serve Somebody. Throughout the lyrics, Dylan reiterates that – no matter who you are (or who you think you are), “you’re gonna have to serve somebody” (be it the devil or the Lord).

Wikipedia reports that by 1984 Dylan was “distancing himself from the ‘born again’ label.” He denied ever
being an agnostic in the first place; therefore, “born again” did not seem the right term to him (he also disliked its media-driven triteness). When asked by Kurt Loder during a Rolling Stone interview whether he belonged to any church or synagogue, Dylan “laughingly” replied: Not really. Uh, the Church of the Poison Mind.

Although Dylan has returned in part to his Jewish roots (with some involvement in the Chabad Lubavitch movement) , he also put out an album of very heartfelt Christmas songs in 2009. When told during an interview with Bill Flanagan that he delivered the song O Little Town of Bethlehem “like a true believer,” Dylan replied: Well, I am a true believer.

Something else I would add concerns the possibility of Bob Dylan's struggles with drug addiction and abuse, including heroin.

If there is something valid there- and indications are that there is- might this have impacted his journey with regards to "faith"?

[hanshan]

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"A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose".

I sometimes don't know what a rose is either. Forgetting is part of the creative process.

it's the past-tense of arise

Yeah, go tell Alice...(B)





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[tazmic]

Up for talking about Bob Dylan's "faith"?

Here's something to get the ball rolling:

Bob Dylan: Born again and again

[Canadian_watcher]

^ he doesn't say it's the devil.

he says "the chief" - of this world and the world we can't see.

although, I suppose your assumption would be more correct than if you'd assumed god.. since I don't believe God makes bargains.

[justdrew]

Chief? Koot Hoomi I'll guess



anyway, it's rare (unheard of probably) for an avatar to really understand and want/be-able-to explain it to someone as mundane as ed bradly or whoever that interview was.

[vanlose kid]

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"A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose".

I sometimes don't know what a rose is either. Forgetting is part of the creative process.

Indeed. And here's one for Synchronicity's glorious sake - it's been called one of the best songs of 2011 so far:



with faith or not...still:



Up for talking about Bob Dylan's "faith"?

here's a beautiful orchestral version of "Ring Them Bells" by Dylan. if the lyrics are anything to go by there is really no question.



Ring them bells ye heathen from the city that dreams
Ring them bells from the sanctuaries cross the valleys and streams
For they're deep and they're wide
And the world on its side
And time is running backwards
And so is the bride.

Ring them bells Saint Peter where the four winds blow
Ring them bells with an iron hand
So the people will know
Oh it's rush hour now
On the wheel and the plow
And the sun is going down upon the sacred cow.

Ring them bells Sweet Martha for the poor man's son
Ring them bells so the world will know that God is one
Oh the shepherd is asleep
Where the willows weep
And the mountains are filled with lost sheep
Ring them bells for the blind and the deaf
Ring them bells for all of us who are left
Ring them bells for the chosen few
Who will judge the many when the game is through
Ring them bells for the time that flies
For the child that cries
When innocence dies.

Ring them bells Saint Catherine from the top of the room
Ring them from the fortress for the lilies that bloom
Oh the lines are long and the fighting is strong
And they're breaking down the distance between right and wrong.

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[vanlose kid]

then again, the last time i saw him on tour he had this as a backdrop.



it's simplified a version of his logo:



freaky.

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