Huge explosion in Oslo

[Harvey]

Nothing less than iron-clad proof will convince me this schmuck acted alone.

You've already had it. Someone edited the facebookbook page while others allegedly Breivik alone, were shooting children. If your spidey sense isn't tingling, well, you probably need something stronger than rig Int.

Example,

Here is a blog post representing the information available from Breiviks facebook page, it lists the college that he went to, information that was not available to me when I first went there, because I wasn't logged into facebook, but observe, no mention of modern warfare 2. Check out any other reported version of the page and you'll find that modern warfare is present. Please, this is really clear cut. If the security forces in Norway or anywhere else in the world were truly interested in finding everyone responsible for this attack, all they have to do is contact facebook and find out who edited the account last night after approximately 12:12 GMT.

http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/07 ... ofile.html

[justdrew]

and yet he had time for world of warcraft? (probably networked on there, rabble roused, etc more than anything)

what was his income source? obviously the 'geofarm' thing was a false front to buy precursors with. so where did his money come from. what's this about prospecting for gold? who were these "investors" he writes of? possibly just random speculators? but where do you find such backers for gold prospecting in norway Actually his masonic membership would provide a good cover story and let him access well-off individuals who would be inclined to help a 'fellow' get going in his private enterprise. Just one more aspect of his scams/cons perhaps.

this is a very serious development, and could well be the signal for a whole new phase and I've said for a couple months now, I suspect they have moved on to initial phases of their 'end game' or at least the next major step up. Worst case is we're going to have follow-on/copy-cat perps emerging to wreck their havoc.

Do not start using their language. this monster is not a "knight"

This fucking document is going to be a major problem going forward. not even sure we really want excerpts posted here. I know I don't want to read any more, but on the other hand, it is surely essential to Know the Enemy.

Hell, this one doesn't sound much different than glen fucking beck.

I have to advise to stay away from any kind of gathering that could be considered a target by these people, there are surely more. We don't need another Benazir Bhutto or THIS again, no more easy targets.

[8bitagent]

But I’m pretty sure I will pray to God as I’m rushing through my city, guns blazing, with 100 armed system protectors pursuing me with the intention to stop and/or kill. I know there is a 80%+ chance I am going to die during the operation as I have no intention to surrender to them until I have completed all three primary objectives AND the bonus mission.

Wow, "bonus mission"...he really saw life as a kind of fps video game.

I can’t possibly imagine how my state of mind will be during the time of the operation, though. It will be during a steroid cycle and on top of that; during an ephedrine rush, which will increase my aggressiveness, physical performance and mental focus with at least 50-60% but possibly up to 100%. In addition, I will put my iPod on max volume as a tool to suppress fear if needed. I might just put Lux Aeterna by Clint Mansell on repeat as it is an incredibly powerful song.

Great, one of my favorite electronic score composers. I'm a big fan of electronic music and first person shooter video games, scary to think you can run into people like this on forums.

But it's so sickening and surreal to be reading the words(allegedly) of a mass murderer...seems like he detailed everything. A Mason, obsessed with Knights Templar...this guy wasn't so much fueled by growing anti immigrant right wing extremism in Europe. He was fueled by his own fantasy's. I am a year older than this guy, so he probably had similar cultural influences.

IF people like Anders or Loughner truly worked alone with no handlers, I wonder if they are aware of the puzzle they are fitting into. Loughner in a way touched off the crazyness that was the first half of 2011(japan, arab revolution, etc) in a shocking event that tied together themes of death, birth(9/11/01), NASA, space, "safeway", washington politics, etc. He was called a right wing nut, but he wasnt. He was his own special brand of wtf. This Anders guy, committing this major event on 7/22/2011, 9 years/10 months/11 days after 9/11... (wasnt 7/22 when that UK electrician was killed by british cops on the tube?) I'm sure Anders would appreciate the irony.

[kenoma]

As I said on my Facebook page this morning:

Bin Laden was unarmed in his bedroom and got his head blown off. Meanwhile, Anders Behring Breivik just got finished murdering 80+ kids, and must have been armed to the teeth, but he was taken into custody. ALIVE. But I'm probably crazy for finding this strange.

Well, we're not all American yet. I mean, we can't coherently maintain that the summary execution of Bin Laden (or whoever) was legally/morally/logically abhorrent while at the same time holding it up as the gold standard by which every other apprehension of a mass murderer should be judged.

[stickdog99]

Complete with a youtube trailer:

[MacCruiskeen]

As I said on my Facebook page this morning:

Bin Laden was unarmed in his bedroom and got his head blown off. Meanwhile, Anders Behring Breivik just got finished murdering 80+ kids, and must have been armed to the teeth, but he was taken into custody. ALIVE. But I'm probably crazy for finding this strange.

Well, we're not all American yet. I mean, we can't coherently maintain that the summary execution of Bin Laden (or whoever) was legally/morally/logically abhorrent while at the same time holding it up as the gold standard by which every other apprehension of a mass murderer should be judged.

That's fair enough, kenoma. Just to clarify: I too am glad the guy wasn't killed outright, not just because he can now be expected to talk, but because I regard killing people (even murderers) as barbaric, in almost every circumstance short of self-defence.

I am just struck by the sheer unusualness of it. The guys who apprehended him must indeed have been unusually brave, or humane, or trusting, or something. How did they know he wasn't wired to explode, for instance?

[justdrew]

As you already know I became one of the founding members of the PCCTS, Knights Templar in 2002 and among the very first Justiciar Knight Commanders

there's a guy in England with a sword and claiming Templar ancestry linage/legitimacy. He's involved with the tunnels beneath a city. Was part of a group that extracted an apology to the Templars from the pope some years ago. Was written up in fortean times, with a picture of him and his shinny sword the story covered the tunnels as well.

does that guy relate to this or is that a competing set of would-be "templars"

can't find the story on FT online free search. don't want to root through a bunch of old mags. anyone remember what I'm talking about?

[fruhmenschen]

The first think I thought when I saw the photo of the gunman was manchurian candidate.
The following is pulled off Wayne Madsen website
The "Al Qaeda" seal of approval -- "Al Qaeda" never leaves home without it: Norway was prepared to vote for Palestinian statehood in the UN General Assembly and this Mossad terrorist attack was symbolic. The negotiations that led to the international agreement on a future Palestinian state are known as the "Oslo Accords."
Anders Behring Breivik is suspect in massacre of over 80 at Labour Party Youth camp on Norwegian island and downtown Oslo bombing. Breivik is being called a Christian fundamentalist even though he was a Freemason and supporter of such vile Zionist Islamophobes as Pam Geller and Richard Pipes. Pipes and Geller are ciphers for Israeli intelligence and propaganda elements and provide a clear link between Breivik and Mossad, which is under orders to stage false flag attacks to garner support for Israel against Palestine, Cyprus and Norway being the two most recent examples of Mossad-staged attacks. And when it comes to "Al Qaeda's" Mossad seal of approval, the vicious Zionist Rupert Murdoch and his Zio-trash papers can always be relied on to help out. Murdoch's scandal-plagued "Sun" reports that Norwegian attacks are the work of "Al Qaeda":

[8bitagent]

this is a very serious development, and could well be the signal for a whole new phase and I've said for a couple months now, I suspect they have moved on to initial phases of their 'end game' or at least the next major step up. Worst case is we're going to have follow-on/copy-cat perps emerging to wreck their havoc.

Well I remember a few years ago, either on here or another "conspiracy" forum people were speculating what the next phase of hyped and real terror would be, since it appeared the days of 9/11-3/11-7/7
bomb attacks in Western areas was over. I was thinking we might start seeing random Beslan styled attacks in America, blamed on Hezbollah(at the time everyone was thinking the neocons were going to attack Iran and reports had Hezbollah coming up through the Americas) or committed by Mexican cartels. Then by 2009 when all these lone wolf right wing nut attacks happened in America, I thought maybe we were going to see largescale shooting sprees and bombs by neo Nazi types. I do wonder if this is not at least a sort of symbolic signal start for a new phase of something ugly and fierce. Why, even Leon Penneta said
"al Qaeda is finished", and after the OBL death people have lost interest in "evil Muslims out to get us". yawn.

What was that 2002 Jack Ryan movie with Ben Afflect, Sum of all Fears? Where a secret group of neo Nazis stage a nuclear terror attack in America and try and make it look like Russia did it to start WW3.
I think smaller beslan/mumbai styled attacks bring enough fear, especially if minors are victims, for nutbags to go that route.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

I am just struck by the sheer unusualness of it. The guys who apprehended him must indeed have been unusually brave, or humane, or trusting, or something. How did they know he wasn't wired to explode, for instance?

I read he gave himself up quietly as soon as the police arrived, as outlined in his plan: he wanted to stay alive to start the propaganda phase from prison. cops arent allowed to execute you if you dont resist so he made use of that

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Another timing consideration.
Remember all the children blown away by U.S. military command in that desert region? Now we're looking at a snow region for same by one guy.

This was just posted on a high-visibility web site.
Note that "even a child knows..." and questions about why continue war if bin-Laden is dead....justification time.
http://www.truth-out.org/afghan-judges- ... 1311427910

Afghan Judges Accuse U.S. of War Crimes
Saturday 23 July 2011
by: David Swanson, War Is a Crime | Op-Ed
I recently sat down for 90 minutes to speak with six Afghan judges, all of them women, and an English-Dari interpreter, a man. They spoke to me as individuals. They aren't preparing any investigations or indictments. The relevance of their being judges is that they know the law. They've studied international law, and they were visiting the United States to learn about our legal and political systems. They believe the United States is guilty of war crimes.
.....
Judge number two broadened the discussion to the topic of the occupation itself, expressing her belief that the U.S. public was being kept in the dark about the real motivations behind the war. Al Qaeda isn't there and bin Laden is now dead, she pointed out. People should be given some reason for this going on, she said. I replied that actual motivations included the stationing of bases and weapons, a gas pipeline, profiteering, etc. At that, the women all began nodding and talking. A fourth judge to speak up interjected that even a child in rural Afghanistan knew the truth of what I had said, that the Taliban was simply an excuse.

[8bitagent]

Always "Mossad" with these tropes. Some things are bigger than Israel. I feel a lot of these events transcend merely neocon/pentagon spookery and "Mossad".

Here's a real 7/22 Mossad attack: Gunmen kill yet another Iranian nuclear scientist
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43865727/ns ... _n_africa/

[barracuda]

The first think I thought when I saw the photo of the gunman was manchurian candidate.
The following is pulled off Wayne Madsen website
The "Al Qaeda" seal of approval -- "Al Qaeda" never leaves home without it: Norway was prepared to vote for Palestinian statehood in the UN General Assembly and this Mossad terrorist attack was symbolic. The negotiations that led to the international agreement on a future Palestinian state are known as the "Oslo Accords."
Anders Behring Breivik is suspect in massacre of over 80 at Labour Party Youth camp on Norwegian island and downtown Oslo bombing. Breivik is being called a Christian fundamentalist even though he was a Freemason and supporter of such vile Zionist Islamophobes as Pam Geller and Richard Pipes. Pipes and Geller are ciphers for Israeli intelligence and propaganda elements and provide a clear link between Breivik and Mossad, which is under orders to stage false flag attacks to garner support for Israel against Palestine, Cyprus and Norway being the two most recent examples of Mossad-staged attacks. And when it comes to "Al Qaeda's" Mossad seal of approval, the vicious Zionist Rupert Murdoch and his Zio-trash papers can always be relied on to help out. Murdoch's scandal-plagued "Sun" reports that Norwegian attacks are the work of "Al Qaeda":

So if you read Pam Gellar, that's a clear link between you and the Mossad? Sorry, the Israeldunnits are gonna have to do better than that. Madsen is an idiot.

[barracuda]

I am just struck by the sheer unusualness of it. The guys who apprehended him must indeed have been unusually brave, or humane, or trusting, or something. How did they know he wasn't wired to explode, for instance?

I read he gave himself up quietly as soon as the police arrived, as outlined in his plan: he wanted to stay alive to start the propaganda phase from prison. cops arent allowed to execute you if you dont resist so he made use of that

Again, it seems he was shot and wounded before his capture.

[justdrew]

of course "al Qaeda is finished" - they've learned all they need to from that to bring the op back home. The means of driving these "self-bake" operators, who need only minimal occasional pokes in the right direction, after their initial and possibly lengthy indoctrination phase. This isn't exactly new concepts, it's gone on since the late 19th century like this. but now we're looking at a new iteration, "perfected methods" - and it at least will aid a "strategy of tension" scenario.


(heh... Loan Wolves, who pull the recent mortgage scams)