Huge explosion in Oslo

[lupercal]

I sware that looks like a virtual wax face.

Yeah it does. The whole story has a wax museum quality, weirdly familiar but blatantly fake. I just came across reports that he's supposed to have a) started a Twitter account on July 17, with one tweet, a quote from John Stuart Mill, and b) posted a confession video on YouTube, since removed, an hour before the shooting, featuring himself in combat poses, which is exactly what Seung-Hui Cho is supposed to have done before shooting up V-Tech back in 2007. Google translation of France-Info report:

An hour before the bomb explosion in the government district in Oslo, Friday at 14:20, Anders Breivik Behring had posted on YouTube, under the pseudonym Andrew Berwick, a 12-minute video (it was removed from YouTube "because it does not respect the terms of use "of the video site), in which he portrays himself in combat gear, gun in hand. The video describes Islam as "the main ideology of genocide".
http://www.france-info.com/monde-europe ... 14-15.html

Cho's confession video:



Breivik's one-tweet Twitter account:

The Huffington Post goes on to cite a Twitter account for Breivik, in which he chillingly quotes the philosopher John Stuart Mill, saying, "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests." The tweet was posted on July 17 and was the only one attributed to the account. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2 ... erges.html

Then there's that Kaczynski manifesto. Hmm..

[Stephen Morgan]

well it has been answered Mac... he drove up flashed a badge looked legit to the probably unarmed adult chaperone at the dock and social engineered his way to the island. I doubt it would be hard at all. this guy had run a lot of cons and has a sales background, he totally could have faked his way through shit not-even-really "security". had the PM not canceled, there would likely have been better security and he might have been stopped. as it was, there probably wasn't a gun on the island other that what he brought. and he had whatever he could bring in his car, a lot probably.

Anyone see a bridge onto that island? Or any roads on it?

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

'Caution! Watch out for false flags' - Lendman on Oslo attacks



Lendman warning for red flags and warning everyone to be "very suspicious" in an early reaction on the Oslo attack when there was still talk of muslim terrorists

[Joe Hillshoist]

The suspect in twin attacks in and near Oslo that WHO killed at least 92 people, Anders Behring Breivik, has admitted responsibility, his lawyer told Norway's NRK television channel on Saturday.

That should read WHO dammit, WHO, a human being, one of us, like us, not separate, not alien, not reptilian, not other, not indescribable nor inexplicable.

Now we'll be treated to endless utterances like, "What a senseless act of violence," "We can never really know why." Yes we can, if only, but humans never possessed the courage to look in an accurate mirror.

Well said.

[Stephen Morgan]

Did Berwick, or whatever he's called, do your Norwegian version of National Service, the conscription into the armed forces for all male youth?

[Joe Hillshoist]

The whole story has a wax museum quality, weirdly familiar but blatantly fake.

Yeah that right, it didn't happen.

You guys have posted over 10 pages since I've been in but is this guy "Fjordman"? Not just a mate/best buddy. I just saw Slack bastard wonder and I do too a bit. Plus if not, does anyone know who Fjordman is?

[stickdog99]

German newspapers are now reporting that Norwegian television has reported that the killer was incapacitated by tear gas fired from the air* before being arrested, although Norwegian police have not yet confirmed this and the source is apparently anonymous, and the story hitherto had been that no police helicopters could be used at all because of the huge risk of them being shot down by the waxy-faced übermensch, which also explains, or rather explained, or rather purported to explain, why the police in that quaint old country had to spend an hour or more driving to the island and taking boats over rather than simply flying there in, say, police helicopters, while Norwegian TV reporters miraculously managed to film the waxy-faced übermensch from a helicopter as he went calmly about his murderous business undisturbed by the police and apparently wholly unperturbed by the Norwegian TV helicopter, which he didn't shoot down or even, it seems, notice.

fwiw

and so it goes

*This is, of course, a sure-fire method of reliably incapacitating a single individual among several hundred others on a heavily-wooded island.

LOL. I am getting convinced that someone knew what this dude was up to and paved his way clear.

[stickdog99]

Point is, there are two different versions of his face book page flying around the internet. While everyone is fumbling around being genuinely scullfucked, the killers are laughing. Before, 12:12 AM GMT the facebook page did not include a reference to COD:Modern Warfare 2. Sometime an hour or two after 12:12 AM GMT, it did include a reference to COD:Modern Warfare 2. The Google cache of the image was made after I saved the page, it too does not include any reference to COD:Modern Warfare 2. Believe what you will.

I don't really want to drive traffic to her site, but Pamela Gellar has some questions regarding versions of the FaceBook page here.

Murdoch obviously had the page hacked.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Yeah cos a prick wintler and I sometimes whinge about posted this:

All reported rapes in Oslo by foreigners: police

From a UNHCR summary, news of a culture clash with terrible consequences:

A report released by the (Oslo) police on Wednesday states that all assault rapes during last year were committed by men with a non-Western origin. All the reported rapes during the last 5 years are done by men with a foreign origin. Police inspector Hanne Kristin Rodhe says the perpetrators often are unemployed, have been asylum-seekers during the last five years and come from a traumatized environment. She adds that their perception of women can be one of the motives behind the rapes.

The same pattern seems to be continuing this year:


Another woman reported a sexual assault during the night in Oslo, just two days after four women were raped in Oslo during a five-hour period on Saturday night. Police are investigating whether the same rapists may be involved in all four of Saturday’s cases… In all four cases, the assailants spoke broken English or Norwegian, or both.

Australia has not reported any such marked pattern. But we have had cases which illustrate a clash of cultures that disturbs a small minority of immigrants has proved so traumatic to a number of Norwegian women. From Melbourne this week:

A FOREIGN student who sexually assaulted seven victims claimed he was upset at the way Australian women dressed and behaved, a court has heard.

Libyan masters student Almahde Ahmad Atagore, 28, was this morning jailed for at least three years over the assaults in August and September last year.

He had been in the country only a month, on a sponsorship funded by his government.

But County Court Judge Margaret Rizkalla said Atagore wasn’t prepared for the cultural differences and felt isolated and depressed… Judge Rizkalla said he struggled to adapt to Australian life, without a mosque nearby and with little support…

But Sen-Det Dion Achtypis said outside court that Atagore’s nationality was not a factor in his crimes.

‘’There are many, many overseas students in this country who are law-abiding citizens,” he said.

Please remember that last line in discussing this.

(All racist and abusive comments will be ruthlessly dealt with.)

This guy, Andrew Bolt, is a News Ltd (Australian arm of News International) opinion columnist.

He promotes the sort of racist, anti multi-cultural, anti left, anti environmentalist bullshit I imagine Beck and Limbaugh do, and for years he's been going on about all this. The other day he was all insider knowledge about Norway's immigration problems and was confident that when the alleged identity of the perpetrators were caught Norway would be re examining its immigration policy.

Till the identity of the shooter came out.

Bolts a smart tho lazy polemicist. I'm struck by the way the anti-immigration/multiculturalism/political correctness (code for racism not being tolerated anymore) worldview that this this guy holds is so similar to Bolts, and many of the comments could be ... well yopu know the aort.

Now obviously this is embarrassing for and hopefully it disturbs the guy, and he won't draw attention to it. I'm just wondering if one of the most influential political commentators in Australia was is contact with this guy who appears to have gone nuts with a gun and shot a whole bunch of kids whose politics he didn't like.

Further to this tho, Bolt goes and publishes this today:

White trash

The underclass stirs:

A HEAVILY armed racist gang is terrorising communities across the northwest suburbs of Melbourne.

The brutal thugs - who call themselves Bros Over Hoes or BOH - have been involved in drive-by shootings, home invasions and bloody clashes with African refugees.

Chilling photos of masked young men brandishing an arsenal of weapons including guns, machetes and a chainsaw have also been uncovered in a special investigation by the Sunday Herald Sun.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr ... hie_trash/

Now for a start the African refugees who have been targeted by this alleged (and I'm a bit sus on this story - smells a bit imo.) are also the underclass.

Secondly why would you post this shit the day after the killings in Norway?

And your only comment - "the underclass stirs". Obviously trying to imply that only poor "ferals" (as Bolt likes to call 'em) or westie bogans with tats and no money, class or education do this violence shite, (despite what his (probable) mate seems to have done in Europe.)

Or maybe not. Maybe you are actually trying to stir the "underclass" yourself.

I don't even know if this "gang" actually exists, but if it doesn't he does appear to be trying to create it.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid and he's not actually trying to start a race war.

[Peachtree Pam]

From Reuters

TV2 is Norwegian state TV

Breaking News: Norwegian police detain several people in Oslo raid linked to shootings, bombing: TV2

[8bitagent]

This guy is claiming he acted alone, and will fully explain everything monday. Is it possible he could do it all alone? And if this is the case...as we look at Loughner, VT tech,
etc...is it "black ops" working these guys? Or a whole other kind of black op working through them?

So this guy staged the bomb as a pretext to get to the island? They said several are missing, which could bring the toll higher..BUT the worst this guy could get is 21 years??? He'd still be a viable man by then.
He said "This is just the beginning"...curious. He seemed meticulous in detail...was his farm setup in order to fund this operation? He definitely seems obsessed with Knights Templar mythology
I don't get a neo Nazi vibe from him, but something wholly else and equally disturbed

Also, this game comes out...bad timing for this company

[Peachtree Pam]

The six people the Oslo police took into custody have been released and no bomb making material was found where the raid took place.

Reading Denmark's Politiken newspaper, which supports the socialist party, it was stated that 96 people were wounded, of which 20 are in critical condition. One person died of injuries last night in hospital. A Danish woman is also missing from the island, as well as others.

He shot the people with a Ruger Mini-14, and he practiced shooting moving targets at the shooting club he belonged to, according to other members. He had also put a special firing mechanism on the mini-14 and he had bought 10 "magasiner" which could each hold 30 bullets.

He had run out of ammunition when arrested.

Above from different articles at:
http://politiken.dk/

[Stephen Morgan]

So this guy staged the bomb as a pretext to get to the island? They said several are missing, which could bring the toll higher..BUT the worst this guy could get is 21 years??? He'd still be a viable man by then.

You would rather he be tortured to death?

I see that he spent some time in London when his dad was working at the Embassy: so probably quite a good English speaker.

[Nordic]

Let's say, just say, that it was a Psyop. Just for the hell of it.

Bear with me. It's early, and I'm in a hurry ...

How would this work as a psyop?

It just dawned on me. I may be full of crap, but it's a theory.

Remember how OKC took the wind out of the sails out of the right wing militia movement?

How 9/11 took the wind out of the sails of the anti-globalization movement?

The world is in "danger" of being rocked by some serious and possibly violent resistance to this "new autsterity.". Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and coming soon to a country near you.

People are angry and helpless. People want to do something.

Check this out:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=23708

Just read this. Made me extremely angry. (WHERE is any discussion of ending the wars? Where is any discussion of raising taxes on the wealthy, or at least the super-wealthy? Where is any discussion of making corporations, 61% of which didn't pay any income tax, pay their fair share? No, it's about raiding Medicaire and SS and they are gung ho on doing this and nothing is going to stop them, the FUCKERS)

And then this, which has gotten zero press but which is a VERY big deal:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=23716

Holy shit, right?

So people are thinking of rising up and kicking the thieves and gangsters and motherkillers and fatherrapers out of government right? (Arlo Guthrie)

And suddenly we have a guy blowing off car bombs at government buildings and shooting people ......

And we're all HORRIFIED. Look at what violence can do! Do we really want to be like THAT guy?

Oh no we don't. Let our governments deal with these things. They know what we're doing! We don't want to do this, don't have the stomach for it, oh no!

We may be getting the screwing of a lifetime, but do we really want to rise up and resist?

Oh no, we'll be just like that guy.

Just a thought ...

My first inclination is that this couldn't possibly be a psyop, but then again it was a good year and a half after 9/11 that it first started dawning on me that it might be one.

And now it's fucking obvious.

There's a lot fishy about this guy, and this case, and this situation. He seems created, fake, like a cyber character from some video game, like a character FROM a video game that's been released into the real world, like in some bad sci fi movie.

So who is he really?

We know Tim McVeigh didn't act alone. FBI was more than likely involved. Why? I think it was to destroy the right wing militia movement, to make all the other potential Tim McVeighs of the world do a reality check and back off.

This could be the same.

Maybe not. I'm just throwing it out there before I run off to do this gig today.

[vanlose kid]

Norway attacks: Norway's tragedy must shake Europe into acting on extremism
I share the fear and pain of my country – but in Norway this kind of insane act has always had its origins in the far right




Aslak Sira Myhre guardian.co.uk, Sunday 24 July 2011 13.25 BST


Like every other citizen of Oslo, I have walked in the streets and buildings that have been blown away. I have even spent time on the island where young political activists were massacred. I share the fear and pain of my country. But the question is always why, and this violence was not blind.

The terror of Norway has not come from Islamic extremists. Nor has it come from the far left, even though both these groups have been accused time after time of being the inner threat to our "way of living". Up to and including the terrifying hours in the afternoon of 22 July, the little terror my country has experienced has come from the far right.

For decades, political violence in this country has been almost the sole preserve of neo-Nazis and other racist groups. During the 1970s they bombed leftwing bookstores and a May Day demonstration. In the 80s two neo-Nazis were executed because they were suspected of betraying the group. In the past two decades, two non-white Norwegian boys have been killed in racist attacks. No foreign group has killed or hurt people on Norwegian territory since the second world war, except for the Israeli security force Mossad, which targeted and killed an innocent man by mistake on Lillehammer in 1973.

But even with this history, when this devastating terror hit us, we instantly suspected the Islamic world. It was the jihadis. It had to be.

It was immediately denounced as an attack on Norway, on our way of life. In the streets of Oslo, young women wearing hijabs and Arab-looking men were harassed as soon as the news broke.

Small wonder. For at least 10 years we have been told that terror comes from the east. That an Arab is suspicious, that all Muslims are tainted. We regularly see people of colour being examined in private rooms in airport security; we have endless debates on the limits of "our" tolerance. As the Islamic world has become the Other, we have begun to think of that what differentiates "us" from "them" is the ability to slaughter civilians in cold blood.

There is, of course, another reason why everybody looked for al-Qaida. Norway has been part of the war in Afghanistan for 10 years, we took part in the Iraq war for some time, and we are eager bombers of Tripoli. There is a limit to how long you can partake in war before war reaches you.

But although we all knew it, the war was rarely mentioned when the terrorist hit us. Our first response was rooted in irrationality: it had to be "them". I felt it myself. I feared that the war we took abroad had come to Norway. And what then? What would happen to our society? To tolerance, public debate, and most of all, to our settled immigrants and their Norwegian-born children?

It was not thus. Once again, the heart of darkness lies buried deep within ourselves. The terrorist was a white Nordic male; not a Muslim, but a Muslim hater.

As soon as this was established, the slaughter was discussed as the deed of a mad man; it was no longer seen as primarily an attack on our society. The rhetoric changed, the headlines of the newspapers shifted their focus. Nobody talks about war anymore. "Terrorist" is rarely used at all, and if it is it is most certainly singular, not plural – a particular individual rather than an undefined group which is easily generalised to include sympathisers and anyone else you fancy. The terrible act is now officially a national tragedy. The question is, would it have been thus if the killer was a mad man with an Islamic background?

I also believe that the killer was mad. To hunt down and execute teenagers on an island for an hour, you surely must have taken leave of your senses. But just as 9/11 or the bombing of the subway in London, this is madness with both a clinical and a political cause.

Anyone who has glanced at the web pages of racist groups or followed the online debates of Norwegian newspapers will have seen the rage with which Islamophobia is being spread; the poisonous hatred with which anonymous writers sting anti-racist liberals and the left is only too visible. The 22 July terrorist has participated in many such debates. He has been an active member of one of the biggest Norwegian political parties, the populist right party until 2006. He left them and sought his ideology instead among the community of anti-Islamist groups on the internet.

When the world believed this to be an act of international Islamist terrorism, state leaders, from Obama to Cameron, all stated that they would stand by Norway in our struggle. Which struggle will that be now? All western leaders have the same problem within their own borders. Will they now wage war on homegrown rightwing extremism? On Islamophobia and racism?


Some hours after the bomb blast, the Norwegian prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, said that our answer to the attack should be more democracy and more openness. Compared to Bush's response to the attacks of 9/11 there is good reason to be proud of this. But in the aftermath of the most dreadful experience in Norway since the second world war I would like to go further. We need to use this incident to strike a blow to the intolerance, racism and hatred that is growing, not just in Norway, nor even only in Scandinavia, but throughout Europe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ism-europe

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