Huge explosion in Oslo

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

About (Murdoch) media using manipulated images of an alleged killer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXd-RvtxNQw&t=2m58s

[barracuda]

There were no friends. Not one.

Facebook's privacy settings allow you to hide your friends, or to make separate lists of friends that won't be shown.

Oh and check out the inconsistancies in this image, see if you see what I see.

There's video of Breivik's court visit here. And here's another picture:

[Canadian_watcher]

One more thing that has been disturbing me about all this.

Since ABB's image first appeared I've wondered how damn familiar he looks.

I swear I have seen that guy before. Either in real life or in a photo somewhere.

I was thinking the same thing. The guy looks a lot like him.

Also, re the police being 'slow' to respond:

a. there was a massive explosion in Oslo that, probably, many police and other emergency workers were concentrating on and maybe on their way to at the time;
b. who knows how long it would take anyone to make a call from the island in the first place (reception / panic are unknown factors)
c. they need to have a PLAN before they get in boats and go across, you'd think.

Cui Bono?
the US is facing a default
the maid in DSK is speaking out
Murdoch
Isreal is pissed at Norway for the pro-Palestinian shit
we all love to hate the Right-Wing Christians (i mean from a personal standpoint I could say that I had SEVERELY misjudged your average Joe's reaction to anything and everything that even hinted at being aligned with that worldview) so therefore a new(old) enemy is born, very reminiscent of OK.. and the blown up building even looks like the Murrah bldg, ... but I digress)

anyway.. Like barracuda said, above, there is a point at which we all have to make our individual decisions about what to believe. IE - when facts don't matter. Because although they DO matter - they matter in the upmost sense and always have and always will - in this day of photoshop and 24 hour news cycles and the internet and holographic tech - facts are more and more and more just 'that which we choose to believe.'

Sad - really achingly sad - but "true."

[Harvey]

There were no friends. Not one.

Facebook's privacy settings allow you to hide your friends, or to make separate lists of friends that won't be shown.

Oh and check out the inconsistancies in this image, see if you see what I see.

There's video of Breivik's court visit here. And here's another picture:

But what do you actually see in the video? And 7000 friends in five days?

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

From that voiceover of that video Barracuda linked: "The shavenheaded suspect"

yet here:

he seems to have at least some hair

So maybe he shaved himself for the trial? Would they give him a razor? Did the police shave him?

[Harvey]

From that voiceover of that video Barracuda linked: "The shavenheaded suspect"

yet here:

he seems to have at least some hair

So maybe he shaved himself for the trial? Would they give him a razor? Did the police shave him?

For the last 2 weeks we've been discussing police and intelligence embedded in the media. Interesting no? I'm not saying I'm right here or that I believe all of this is created, but I do feel a bit like I've walked onto the set of Running Man.

[vanlose kid]

What made Anders Breivik quote from the Daily Mail

So hysterical is the immigration debate that Melanie Phillips and Jeremy Clarkson are cited in the killer's manifesto

By Matthew Carr
LAST UPDATED 3:51 PM, JULY 25, 2011'

The European far right has been at pains to distance itself from Anders Behring Breivik's psychotic act of holy war on Friday and present his actions as an isolated act of extremism by a lone madman.

But his ideas and motivations reflect a set of assumptions that spans the far right and many mainstream political figures and media commentators.

In his classic study of the American right, The Paranoid Style in American Politics, Richard Hofstadter once observed a tendency towards "heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy" to which the American right was particularly prone.

In Hofstadter's formulation, "The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization."

These characteristics have been evident for many years in Europe's shrill and often hysterical "debate" about immigration.

For more than a decade, internet bloggers, far-right demagogues and mainstream media pundits have depicted Muslim immigration as an ‘invasion' facilitated by a liberal/leftist political and cultural establishment driven by political correctness and a suicidal ‘ideology' of multiculturalism.

Few people are likely to be surprised that Breivik praised the English Defence League in his 1,500-page 'manifesto'. But he also quoted both Melanie Phillips of the Daily Mail (often and at length) and from Jeremy Clarkson's Sunday Times column.

He cites an article by Phillips (above right) about Labour's immigration policy in which she writes: "It was done to destroy for ever what it means to be culturally British and to put another 'multicultural' identity in its place." And he quotes Clarkson (above left) saying: "Discrediting national flags as signs of 'bigotry' is happening all over the Western world."

This depiction of 'indigenous' European cultures as an endangered species also extends to more intellectually respectable mainstream conservatives such as Niall Fergusson and Sir Martin Gilbert.

Both historians have praised the conspiracy theory/fantasy of Eurabia, propagated by the British/Egyptian writer Bat Ye'or, which argues that Europe is being inexorably transformed into a Muslim colony - a notion that has become a virtual idee fixe in the visions of cultural downfall propagated by the extreme right.

All these ideas can be found in Breivik's video, 2083: A Declaration of European Independence, which he posted on Youtube (now removed) to justify his actions on Friday.

Accompanied by a soundtrack of portentous music, a succession of images, texts and slogans presents a dark vision of a continent already subjugated by a "multi-culturalist alliance" of Marxists, "suicidal humanists", "capitalist globalists" and jihadists, in which "a majority of our cities will be Muslim cities" by 2025.

For Breivik, multiculturalism is "an anti-European hate ideology" propagated by the "Cultural Marxist traitors" who are paving the way for a Eurabian Europe.

Interestingly Breivik singles out the BBC as a particularly egregious component of this multicultural/jihadist conspiracy, with a mock mission statement that proclaims: "If you don't support our cultural Marxist views you are, by default, a fascist-racist-Nazi-monster".

This sense of victimhood is a recurring feature of what we might now call ‘the paranoid style in European politics', and it is not limited to right-wing internet forums and anti-Muslim hate sites.

Among the Melanie Phillips pieces Breivik cites in his manifesto is a recent one in which she argued that the BBC rather than Murdoch's News International was the real threat to British media because its world view was based on the idea that "traditional Christians are all fundamentalist bigots… opponents of mass immigration are racist".

The point about this analysis is that it is not an analysis at all. It is merely a set of prejudices without any empirical foundation. Breivik's formulations reflect the same tendencies. But where he differs from some – not all – of his contemporaries, is in his resolute determination to ‘act' in order to prevent the 'evil genocide' taking place in Europe.

Thus, on Breivik's video, potted vignettes of Charles Martel, El Cid, Richard the Lionheart and – unusually – Vlad the Impaler alternate with pictures of the Crusades as an inspiration for a new Knights Templar offensive aimed at 'decimating' the Cultural Marxists and driving Muslims from Europe.

This new knightly order is embodied by Breivik himself, the ideal of the 'Perfect Knight'. In the last section of the video, comic-book illustrations of sword-wielding knights cut to photographs of the steroid-taking comic-book crusader, posing for posterity as a Freemason in some kind of military uniform covered in medals, and action-man style in a wetsuit with a machine-gun.

Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen and the EDL leadership may well be shocked at the horror which this homicidal narcissist unleashed in Oslo and on Utoeya island, but those who propagate fantasies of immigrant invasions and civilisational collapse cannot be entirely surprised that there are those who take such fantasies literally and engage in their own form of 'war'.

Breivik is not the first far-right activist to contemplate such acts in recent years, and unless European civil society and politicians can find the will to recognise, confront and isolate the toxic and often delirious bile in which his fantasies of 'resistance' marinated for so long, he may not be the last.



http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/82162,new ... z1T8yimDug

3.00pm: The Daily Mail columnist Melanie Phillips — some of whose writings were quoted by Breivik in his vast, rambling manifesto — has given her reaction, and spoken of the hate mail she has already received.

She writes:

Already, through the selective and distorted use of this document and the amplification of such malevolence through Twitter and the net, a blood-lust is building … Breivik may be one unhinged psychopath – but what is now erupting as a result of the Norway atrocity is the frenzy of a western culture that has lost its mind.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... k#block-53

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[MacCruiskeen]

Thank you for talking sense.

Thanks for the moral support, sunny.

Honestly, the last thing I want to be doing right now is contheory spiracising about a brand new & deeply horrible mass murder, but really I'm kind of shocked to see how many people, even here, are apparently prepared to take the literally incredible at face value. Instead of asking whether the bizarre account we're being fed -- by the police, through the mass media -- makes any sense at all, half the people here are going, "Well, everyone makes mistakes" and "Hey, nobody's perfect" and "Duh, Norwegians are notoriously slow & dopey, man" and "Don't you trust anyone?" and "It's a bit much to expect the police to be able to count" and "There's probably a perfect reasonable explanation for all this" and " Are you seriously saying that neo-Nazis don't exist?" and "You can't prove that cellphones were even working on that island" (yes I can) and "Ho ho, maybe no mass murder took place at all!!1!!!" and "This totally reminds of me of a movie I once saw" and "Wasn't that guy really creepy, though?" and "Who eats the grief?" (as if "rich, powerful, ruthless, greedy, manipulative capitalist bastards, obviously" were too vulgar & simplistic an answer to be taken seriously).

I blame Hollywood and TV: they rot people's brains. Since 9/11, everyone's at home in the Spectacle, especially the very young, who have just been hypnotised & traumatised (and infantilised) by images yet again. And it all confirms the unimpeachable antifascist Andreas Hauss's point: that you only have to throw the soi-disant Left a palatable-enough culprit and they'll respond as gratefully and as uncritically as a dog with a new bone, even if that bone is poisoned. Gobble it up! Osama bin Laden was "blowback"; The Nasty Neo-Nazi is "counterblowback". That's a cool screenplay. Even the grossest implausibilities are best suffered in silence, because shut up, I can't hear the soundtrack. And what are you anyway, some kind of conspiracy nut?

And the beat goes on.

[Nordic]

Image 1


Image 2



Some interesting points on these two images attributed to Wolfgang Rattay from the telegraph. They probably aren't indicative of anything other than poor journalism.

1) Look at the hand in image 1, the fingers are cut off before the knuckle and stray pixels are ghosting through the paper he appears to be reading. The hand has been edited. Why?

2) The reflection on the rear window of the curb is far too high to accomodate the angle of view and the apparent position of the curb in the reflection on the body work below. There are double yellow lines on the car body but not in the rear window. the rear window does not appear to continue the curb line of the front two windows, indicating a different plane than the two front windows although it appears to be on the same plane otherwise. The rear window appears to have been edited. Why?

3) In image 2 Breivik doesn't appear as foreshortened as he should be, his hand and the paper appear too far forward. There might also be an issue with the rubber seal at the top of the middle window, but it could be a reflection on the car body.

Probably nothing.

Nothing.

As you can clearly see from the bottom image, the back window is affixed at a different angle than the window that the scumbag is behind. Therefore, in the top photo, the reflections are going to be different. Nothing to see there.

The hand does look a bit odd, but I don't see any evidence of manipulation. Or any reason to manipulate to show what it shows. Just a guy looking at some papers. It's very difficult to tell exactly how the papers are folded around, and could easily be giving an impression of his hand being "cut off".

As far as looking like Alex Jones, yes, I'm pretty sure that's who I think he reminded me of when I first saw those photos, although I couldn't put my finger on it!

He seems a bit google-eyed, too, which is uncomfortable, his eyes are fucking creepy. I realized his eyes point outwards from each other a bit.

[barracuda]

Honestly, the last thing I want to be doing right now is contheory spiracising about a brand new & deeply horrible mass murder, but really I'm kind of shocked to see how many people, even here, are apparently prepared to take the literally incredible at face value.

A consideration of the possible, including the face-value aspects, is indispensible to analysing the situation though. Otherwise you might as well jump in the pool with the numerologists.

[vanlose kid]

...

Honestly, the last thing I want to be doing right now is contheory spiracising about a brand new & deeply horrible mass murder, but really I'm kind of shocked to see how many people, even here, are apparently prepared to take the literally incredible at face value. Instead of asking whether the bizarre account we're being fed -- by the police, through the mass media -- makes any sense at all, half the people here are going, "Well, everyone makes mistakes" and "Hey, nobody's perfect" and "Duh, Norwegians are notoriously slow & dopey, man" and "Don't you trust anyone?" and "It's a bit much to expect the police to be able to count" and "There's probably a perfect reasonable explanation for all this" and " Are you seriously saying that neo-Nazis don't exist?" and "You can't prove that cellphones were even working on that island" (yes I can) and "Ho ho, maybe no mass murder took place at all!!1!!!" and "This totally reminds of me of a movie I once saw" and "Wasn't that guy really creepy, though?" and "Who eats the grief?" (as if "rich, powerful, ruthless, greedy, manipulative capitalist bastards, obviously" were too vulgar & simplistic an answer to be taken seriously).

I blame Hollywood and TV: they rot people's brains. Since 9/11, everyone's at home in the Spectacle, especially the very young, who have just been hypnotised & traumatised (and infantilised) by images yet again. And it all confirms the unimpeachable antifascist Andreas Hauss's point: that you only have to throw the soi-disant Left a palatable-enough culprit and they'll respond as gratefully and as uncritically as a dog with a new bone, even if that bone is poisoned. Gobble it up! Osama bin Laden was "blowback"; The Nasty Neo-Nazi is "counterblowback". That's a cool screenplay. Even the grossest implausibilities are best suffered in silence, because shut up, I can't hear the soundtrack. And what are you anyway, some kind of conspiracy nut?

And the beat goes on.

i guess not.

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[Harvey]

Nothing.

As you can clearly see from the bottom image, the back window is affixed at a different angle than the window that the scumbag is behind. Therefore, in the top photo, the reflections are going to be different. Nothing to see there.

The hand does look a bit odd, but I don't see any evidence of manipulation. Or any reason to manipulate to show what it shows. Just a guy looking at some papers. It's very difficult to tell exactly how the papers are folded around, and could easily be giving an impression of his hand being "cut off".

As far as looking like Alex Jones, yes, I'm pretty sure that's who I think he reminded me of when I first saw those photos, although I couldn't put my finger on it!

He seems a bit google-eyed, too, which is uncomfortable, his eyes are fucking creepy. I realized his eyes point outwards from each other a bit.

And the fact that double yellow lines become single yellow line, but I agree, probably nothing, as I said.

Norway gunman 'has accomplices'

[barracuda]

But what do you actually see in the video?

Not much, honestly.

And 7000 friends in five days?

I suspect he's been on the social media circuit much longer than that specific Facebook page is telling us. But we don't know the particulars, either. He may have siply posted the video as a message to certain groups he had joined there.

But when are you going to give some specifics regarding what you see in the photos of Breivik at the window? Don't leave me hanging!

[MacCruiskeen]

Honestly, the last thing I want to be doing right now is contheory spiracising about a brand new & deeply horrible mass murder, but really I'm kind of shocked to see how many people, even here, are apparently prepared to take the literally incredible at face value.

A consideration of the possible, including the face-value aspects, is indispensible to analysing the situation though. Otherwise you might as well jump in the pool with the numerologists.

It's possible (at least logically possible) that every member of the Norwegian police force is indeed slower than a lobotomised snail and also incapable of counting further once he runs out of fingers and toes. It's also logically possible that there is a real planet out there where hordes of Raquel Welch lookalikes do battle with dinosaurs, DMT elves, and the Norwegian police. Personally, though, I don't think it's worth wasting much time on such logical possibilities (of which there are an almost literally endless number). And I don't see why that perfectly rational disinclination places me in the company of people who think it's worth obsessing about some event on the 32.9th parallel or who see profound significance in the fact that the digits in certain people's birth dates add up to one of Aleister Crowley's favourite prime numbers. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me.

[barracuda]

It's possible (at least logically possible) that every member of the Norwegian police force is indeed slower than a lobotomised snail and also incapable of counting once he runs out of fingers and toes. It's also logically possible that there is a real planet out there where Raquel Welch lookalikes do battle with dinosaurs. Personally, though, I don't think it's worth wasting time on such logical possibilities (of which there are an almost endless number). And I don't see why that perfectly rational disinclination places me in the company of people who think it's worth obsessing about some event on the 32.9th parallel or who see profound significance in the fact that the digits in certain people's birth dates add up to one of Aleister Crowley's favourite prime numbers. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me.

If this kind of hyperbole is your notion of considering what happened, how do I take anything you say here seriously? I might as well ask Hugh what Nicholas Cage movies premptively highjacked the story, for what the above post is worth.

You find the conspiracy obvious, I find it less so, so my position is ridiculous and yours is... rigorous?