Huge explosion in Oslo

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Alright, Emmanuel Minos supposedly wrote down this prophecy in 1968:

http://www.offgridworship.com/2010/10/1 ... egian.html

And it says 08-1968 and KT on the England badge and Emmanuel Minos is a member of Kensington Temple:

http://www.revivaltimes.org/index.php?aid=288

http://www.kt.org/

This is definitely the reference they are trying to make, the reference isn't Knights templar, it's Kensington Temple. I think they are trying to create multiple levels of fear here.

Harvey great find, the guy Emmanuel Minos is a norwegian living in England on top of the other clues. Fucking incredible. I''m scared at how crazy it is.

[tazmic]

Several young people who survived Utoya's massacre, told VG paper that the shootings were coming from "two different places on the island at the same time."
"I believe that there were two people who were shooting," VG quoted a 23-year old Alexander Stavdal.
Norwegian police arrested on Friday a 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian, Anders Behring Breivik, who is believed to be behind the attack.
The witnesses described the second man as a 180-centimeter tall, dark-haired man with Nordic appearance with "a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back."
An anonymous 16-year old girl told VG paper that the gunmen seemed to be in a hurry, but nevertheless "always made sure that their victims were shot dead."

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110723/165350450.html

[stickdog99]

Norway shooting: police response criticised

Initial reports had claimed that police received the first call about shots being fired 5.02pm which meant Breivik was not arrested for an hour and a half.

However, the fresh timetable claimed that the first call did not come into the local Nordre Buskerud police force until 5.27pm.

Oslo police were informed three minutes later but a lack of suitable helicopters in the capital mean that Swat teams were forced to drive 28 miles across country before they were able to mount an armed assault on Utoya.

The first police patrols began crossing Lake Tyrifjorden at 6.03pm, arriving on the island at 6.25pm.

One of the boats carrying police was too small and began to sink, further hampering the mission.

Erik Berga, police operations chief in northern Buskerud County, said: "The boat was way too small and way too poor. When so many people and equipment were put into it, the boat started to take on water, so that the motor stopped."

Once on the island officers apprehended Breivik within two minutes and he was arrested at 6.27pm.

Sissel Hammer, chief of police of Nordre Buskerud police district, said: "I completely understand that for those caught in the line of fire as well as for their relatives the response time felt long.

"However I ask for understanding of the fact that the deployment of armed police personnel will always require time. Personnel need time to be equipped and armed as well as transported to the scene."

Police conceded that their response was delayed by the decision to send a specialist anti terrorist unit by road from Oslo, 28 miles away, because no helicopters were available in the capital.

Norway's Delta force had no helicopters available in the capital at the time of the shooting, so its commanders decided it would be quicker to go by road rather than wait for a helicopter to fly up from its base in the south of the country.

Why did the cops stand down? Was he chief of police reading "The Pet Goat" or something?

[stickdog99]

Andreas Hauss (Mathias Bröckers' co-author) briefly sums up the various ways in which this whole story stinks. - The police in the world's richest country had no boats and no helicopters, they claim to have received the first phone-call 30 minutes after the shooting started, and they then required another full hour to get there ( a hop and a skip from the capital) and arrest the killer?

Who can believe this?

Not I. These kids all had phones. I bet 50 of them had dialed 911 and another 50 of them had texted others with a request for others to do the same within 10 minutes of the time the first shot was fired.

[Asta]

@ Harvey: I think there's something "off" about the photos, too. Glass is a very good reflective surface, especially flat car door windows, whereas a metal car body is molded and has curves which will bend the reflection.

Everything these days is photoshopped. It's not that your eyes are lying to you, it's your eyes that are being lied to by manipulated images in the Media. Sometimes it's simply an incompetent "graphic artist", sometimes there is a hidden agenda.

The question I really want to throw out here is about the FaceBook Friends of AB. Umm....I have a FB page, I have to grant permission for a Friend to have access to my page. If AB has now acquired all these "friends" while in custody, who has password access to HIS FB account? He has somewhat alluded to having accomplices, couldn't this person or these people be tracked down through FaceBook?

Just asking.

[Harvey]

Several young people who survived Utoya's massacre, told VG paper that the shootings were coming from "two different places on the island at the same time."
"I believe that there were two people who were shooting," VG quoted a 23-year old Alexander Stavdal.
Norwegian police arrested on Friday a 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian, Anders Behring Breivik, who is believed to be behind the attack.
The witnesses described the second man as a 180-centimeter tall, dark-haired man with Nordic appearance with "a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back."
An anonymous 16-year old girl told VG paper that the gunmen seemed to be in a hurry, but nevertheless "always made sure that their victims were shot dead."

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110723/165350450.html

Taz, if you look back to the begining of the thread you'll see I'd suggested there may be two shooters, on Friday, based on the spread of bodies in the early photo's and a very early unsourced quote from someone having heard shots from 'all directions.'

[stickdog99]

Coming from a similar-sized Northern European country as Norway, with only one dedicated national "heavy weapons"/"anti-terror" police unit, I see the events and the timetable of the Norwegian police response more or less plausible.

Sorry, but I don't buy that you decide not to send the closest cops when you have multiple reports of a single gunman slaughtering a bunch of kids. That is simply not plausible in any way, shape or form.

[stickdog99]

By the time the police finally did arrive, local civilians -- and tourists from a campsite, including a German bloke and two Finnish lesbians -- had already gone out in boats and rescued about 250 kids from the water, and even from the island of Utoya itself. Some of those hardy lake-dwellers made four or five rescue trips in their boats, while the belated cops claimed not to be able to find a boat on the lakeside at all.

Katrina redux

[lupercal]

The first police patrols began crossing Lake Tyrifjorden at 6.03pm, arriving on the island at 6.25pm.

Let's see, 22 min. to travel 1,600 feet = 0.303030303 miles / 22 min / 60 min per hour = 0.82644628 miles per hour.

0.83 mph. I guess in the fog of war they forgot to bring the inflatable raft paddle?

[barracuda]

I do find it obvious that the Norwegian police (and air force, and medical and emergency services) were grotesquely, unconscionably slow in responding to an obvious ongoing mass murder, even though the country was under attack and they were all on high alert very close to the scene of the crime. You, by contrast, are fine with that, unlike the Norwegians and tourists who were even closer to the scene of the crime, and indeed dodging bullets while rescuing children; they too were furious, and baffled. Maybe they too should join the numerologists.

My opinion on this is that the police were, at worst, twenty minutes slower than could be reasonably called the absolute optimum response.

I also find it incomprehensible that the Norwegian police initially overestimated the number of dead bodies on that tiny island by sixteen (in figures:16). You claim, at least implicitly, to find that bizarre brainfart (or whatever it was) perfectly comprehensible, although you haven't yet deigned to share your superior understanding with me or anyone else on the board.

It has been noted in the press over and again that the individuals leaving the island were avoiding police at all costs due to the killer's ruse, and that the original victims may have included missing persons. I see no actual benefit to some proposed conspiracy that accrues to the conspirators by having the police lower the number of victims by sixteen.

By the time the police finally did arrive, local civilians -- and tourists from a campsite, including a German bloke and two Finnish lesbians -- had already gone out in boats and rescued about 250 kids from the water, and even from the island of Utoya itself. Some of those hardy lake-dwellers made four or five rescue trips in their boats, while the belated cops claimed not to be able to find a boat on the lakeside at all.

Because the more boats there are on the water, naturally the more boats you'll find at the shore.

[barracuda]

The first police patrols began crossing Lake Tyrifjorden at 6.03pm, arriving on the island at 6.25pm.

Let's see, 22 min. to travel 1,600 feet = 0.303030303 miles / 22 min / 60 min per hour = 0.82644628 miles per hour.

0.83 mph. I guess in the fog of war they forgot to bring the inflatable raft paddle?

Yep. I'm certain the local police were telling each other to slow down so more kids could die. Good point.

[lupercal]

^ Is there a better explanation?

p.s. the calc is 0.303030303 miles / 22 min x 60 min per hr

[stickdog99]

Personally I don't think you're appreciating the logistical difficulties encountered by the police in the rural setting of the island surroundings. Looking at the timeline provided by Peachtree Pam, the shootings began at about 1700 hours, and even the local Buskerud police didn't arrive at the scene til 1752 after getting the first calls from the island at 1726. Realistically, from what we think we know, by the time that first call reached local police, some thirty people were already dead.

WTF is realistic about that? What do you think the kids who were hiding or not right on the scene were doing with their cell phones during that 26 minutes?

Let's say the best case scenario had occurred, and the local police had been able to reach the island just minutes after arriving rather than a full twenty minutes later when the SWAT team did. We're still looking at a full hour of killing time since the first shot was fired. Is there any outcome here which would have seemed like an acceptable toll in terms of police response? Probably not.

So because we would all have thought x kids getting killed was not acceptable, it's no big deal that x+y kids were killed?

Why did the first call take twenty five minutes to be placed?

Because it's a damn lie?

What gets on my nerves is the rush to see who can be the most conspiratorially oriented in the abscence of facts.

[MacCruiskeen]

By the time the police finally did arrive, local civilians -- and tourists from a campsite, including a German bloke and two Finnish lesbians -- had already gone out in boats and rescued about 250 kids from the water, and even from the island of Utoya itself. Some of those hardy lake-dwellers made four or five rescue trips in their boats, while the belated cops claimed not to be able to find a boat on the lakeside at all.

Katrina redux

And remember that the whole purported reason for this lengthy delay was that the merely-mortal plods said they had to hang around waiting for the "elite" "anti-terror specialists", "Delta Force", who finally drew up at the lakeside by car, only to spend 15 minutes looking in vain for a boat, any boat, before eventually finding one ("a very poor boat") and then nearly sinking it by overloading it with men and equipment. (Yes, this is in fact the official explanation, and not a Mister Bean script.)

Apparently those hotshots had driven all the way from Oslo without considering the fact that Utoeya is an island, and that every island is located in a body of water, which can't be walked on. Only cynics or conspiracy theorists would deny that it's a mistake anyone could make, even the smartest and spiffiest "elite" inhabitants of that notoriously watery land, Norway.

[stickdog99]

No, I don't. I do find it obvious that the Norwegian police (and air force, and medical and emergency services) were grotesquely, unconscionably slow in responding to an obvious ongoing mass murder, even though the country was under attack and they were all on high alert very close to the scene of the crime. You, by contrast, are fine with that, unlike the Norwegians and tourists who were even closer to the scene of the crime, and indeed dodging bullets while rescuing children; they too were furious, and baffled. Maybe they too should join the numerologists.

Exactly. What is the psychology of someone who would rush to defend the complete lack of any police response when scores of kids are getting blown away by a single gunman as perfectly reasonable? No matter what the bullshit excuses are, there was nothing whatsoever reasonable about this delay.