Huge explosion in Oslo

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

anyway, when the cops finally found a boat it was leaking because supposedly the cops were too heavy, not making this up

OSLO (Reuters) - The near-sinking of a police boat and a decision to await a specially armed unit from Oslo some 45 km (28 miles) away delayed the Norwegian police response to an island where a gunman killed 86 people.

"When so many people and equipment were put into it, the boat started to take on water, so that the motor stopped," said Erik Berga, police operations chief in northern Buskerud County.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/2 ... 07986.html

Edit: bonuspic of Anders in Nuclear suit, dont think this has been posted here and we want to be complete no? Gotta catch them all..

[stickdog99]

Coming from a similar-sized Northern European country as Norway, with only one dedicated national "heavy weapons"/"anti-terror" police unit, I see the events and the timetable of the Norwegian police response more or less plausible.

Sorry, but I don't buy that you decide not to send the closest cops when you have multiple reports of a single gunman slaughtering a bunch of kids. That is simply not plausible in any way, shape or form.

Wait a minute - where did the reports of two gunmen come from then? Did they start before the guy was busted/stopped?

Fine. Two gunmen. The point is that if I were a cop and I were to get a call that kids are getting indiscriminately shot at by anything less than an armed militia, I would be driving my own ass to the scene ASAP while radioing for as much back up as possible the entire drive.

[vanlose kid]

the one cop on Utoya. must have been in on it.

Spare us this desperate and arthritic (and tasteless) irony, vk. He wasn't a cop, he was a 51-year-old security guard and former cop, and he was trying, bravely, to defend his young son from the killer.

an off duty police officer is a cop, Mac.

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[vanlose kid]

16:00

16:30: The participants at the summer camp of the Workers' Youth League (the youth division of the Norwegian Labour Party) on Utøya gather in the camp's main house to be informed about the event.[8]

16:57: At approximately 16:57, Anders Behring Breivik, disguised in police uniform, arrives at Tyrifjorden, a lake some 40 kilometres (25 mi) northwest of Oslo. From here he was transported by ferry to Utøya.[12]

17:00

17:07: Breivik arrives at Utøya, where he asks the young people present to gather around him for information.[8] Around 30 seconds after arriving on the island, he starts firing at bystanders.[9]

17:27: The local police district in Buskerud learn about the shooting, and three minutes later the police in Oslo are informed.[10]

17:38: Northern Buskerud police district ask Oslo police district for assistance.[13] Beredskapstroppen (the Contingency Platoon) is dispatched from Oslo to Utøya.[10]

17:52: The first local police car arrives at Tyrifjorden, but the officers have to wait for a suitable craft before they can cross over to Utøya.[12]

18:00

18:09: The Contingency Platoon arrive, but are also forced to wait for a boat.[9] The boat that is finally provided is too small for the amount of personnel and equipment, and nearly sinks during the crossing.[12]

18:25: The Contingency Platoon arrive on Utøya and go ashore.[11]

18:27: Breivik does not resist arrest, and is apprehended by the police.[13]

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ay_attacks

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[stickdog99]

And remember that the whole purported reason for this lengthy delay was that the merely-mortal plods said they had to hang around waiting for the "elite" "anti-terror specialists", "Delta Force", who finally drew up at the lakeside by car, only to spend 15 minutes looking in vain for a boat, any boat, before eventually finding one ("a very poor boat") and then nearly sinking it by overloading it with men and equipment. (Yes, this is in fact the official explanation, and not a Mister Bean script.)

Apparently those hotshots had driven all the way from Oslo without considering the fact that Utoeya is an island, and that every island is located in a body of water, which can't be walked on. Only cynics or conspiracy theorists would deny that it's a mistake anyone could make, even the smartest and spiffiest "elite" inhabitants of that notoriously watery land, Norway.

9/11 fighter scramble redux

except for the fact that they never scrambled? yes, the difference is more than semantic.

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That went over my head. Nobody seems to have been "scrambling" to get to the scenes of the crime on either of these days.

[vanlose kid]

And remember that the whole purported reason for this lengthy delay was that the merely-mortal plods said they had to hang around waiting for the "elite" "anti-terror specialists", "Delta Force", who finally drew up at the lakeside by car, only to spend 15 minutes looking in vain for a boat, any boat, before eventually finding one ("a very poor boat") and then nearly sinking it by overloading it with men and equipment. (Yes, this is in fact the official explanation, and not a Mister Bean script.)

Apparently those hotshots had driven all the way from Oslo without considering the fact that Utoeya is an island, and that every island is located in a body of water, which can't be walked on. Only cynics or conspiracy theorists would deny that it's a mistake anyone could make, even the smartest and spiffiest "elite" inhabitants of that notoriously watery land, Norway.

9/11 fighter scramble redux

except for the fact that they never scrambled? yes, the difference is more than semantic.

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That went over my head. Nobody seems to have been "scrambling" to get to the scenes of the crime on either of these days.

i know, they should've sent in the fighter jets. napalmed the island. fast and action jackson like. effin Norwegian fjordmonkeys eh?

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[MacCruiskeen]

i know, they should've sent in the fighter jets. napalmed the island. fast and action jackson like. effin Norwegian fjordmonkeys eh?

Oh FFS, vk. These one-line ironies are leaden and a waste of everyone's time, including your own. (Are you drunk?)

[vanlose kid]

i know, they should've sent in the fighter jets. napalmed the island. fast and action jackson like. effin Norwegian fjordmonkeys eh?

Oh FFS, vk. Your one-line ironies are leaden and a waste of everyone's time. (Are you drunk?)

funny, i was about to ask you the same thing. no, i just find the hyperbole overbearing and it's my way of fending off. sorry.

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[MacCruiskeen]

Three beers, to be exact. Anyway, time for bed. (I often like & learn from your posts, btw, but bejaysus, vk, not in this thread.)

God natt.

[stickdog99]

17:07: Breivik arrives at Utøya, where he asks the young people present to gather around him for information.[8] Around 30 seconds after arriving on the island, he starts firing at bystanders.

17:27: The local police district in Buskerud learn about the shooting, and three minutes later the police in Oslo are informed.

How the fuck does it take them 20 minutes to find out? Twitter down? Facebook page not working? 911 busy signals?

17:38: Northern Buskerud police district ask Oslo police district for assistance.[13] Beredskapstroppen (the Contingency Platoon) is dispatched from Oslo to Utøya.[10]

How the fuck does it take them 11 minutes to ask for help? Did they send their own cops to the scene in the interim? What happened to their own cops that kept them from arriving at the scene?

17:52: The first local police car arrives at Tyrifjorden, but the officers have to wait for a suitable craft before they can cross over to Utøya.[12]



What? Wasn't powdered?

18:09: The Contingency Platoon arrive, but are also forced to wait for a boat.[9] The boat that is finally provided is too small for the amount of personnel and equipment, and nearly sinks during the crossing.[12]

So 17 minutes later on the shore and nobody has found a boat yet?

18:25: The Contingency Platoon arrive on Utøya and go ashore.[11]

One hour and 18 minutes after the shooting supposedly began.

[lupercal]

anyway, when the cops finally found a boat it was leaking because supposedly the cops were too heavy, not making this up

OSLO (Reuters) - The near-sinking of a police boat and a decision to await a specially armed unit from Oslo some 45 km (28 miles) away delayed the Norwegian police response to an island where a gunman killed 86 people.

"When so many people and equipment were put into it, the boat started to take on water, so that the motor stopped," said Erik Berga, police operations chief in northern Buskerud County.

(...)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/2 ... 07986.html

Norway's elite "Delta Force" complete final preparations before their fateful journey to the remote island of Utøya, nearly 1,600 feet from one of Europe's busiest highways

[stickdog99]

And remember that the whole purported reason for this lengthy delay was that the merely-mortal plods said they had to hang around waiting for the "elite" "anti-terror specialists", "Delta Force", who finally drew up at the lakeside by car, only to spend 15 minutes looking in vain for a boat, any boat, before eventually finding one ("a very poor boat") and then nearly sinking it by overloading it with men and equipment. (Yes, this is in fact the official explanation, and not a Mister Bean script.)

Apparently those hotshots had driven all the way from Oslo without considering the fact that Utoeya is an island, and that every island is located in a body of water, which can't be walked on. Only cynics or conspiracy theorists would deny that it's a mistake anyone could make, even the smartest and spiffiest "elite" inhabitants of that notoriously watery land, Norway.

9/11 fighter scramble redux

except for the fact that they never scrambled? yes, the difference is more than semantic.

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That went over my head. Nobody seems to have been "scrambling" to get to the scenes of the crime on either of these days.

i know, they should've sent in the fighter jets. napalmed the island. fast and action jackson like. effin Norwegian fjordmonkeys eh?

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Nope. An hour and 18 minutes is a truly admirable response time when little kids desperately calling 911 are getting slaughtered by the dozen. Give these guys medals of honor!

[barracuda]

^ Is there a better explanation?

p.s. the calc is 0.303030303 miles / 22 min x 60 min per hr

Yeah, I figure after reading the last few pages that there was no reason not to assume that tthe police officers themselves weren't shooting children indiscriminately. Can you prove they weren't?

[MacCruiskeen]

Yeah, I figure after reading the last few pages that there was no reason not to assume that tthe police officers themselves weren't shooting children indiscriminately. Can you prove they weren't?

There's plenty of reason not to presume that, not least the fact that not one of the hundreds of survivors has reported any such thing.

Next.

Can you prove you've stopped beating your wife? Can you prove there's no planet made of plasticine?

[kenoma]

Just for the record, the police did give a reason for the overestimation of victims which hasn't been mentioned here I think:

State police director Øystein Mæland noted that police investigators initially had confirmed that nine or 10 persons were killed by a lone gunman on the island where Norway’s Labour Party’s youth organization was holding its annual summer camp last week.
“But then they started finding many dead bodies and it was important to report that the death toll was significantly higher,” Mæland told reporters at a press conference Tuesday evening. That’s why the death toll was listed at 80 early Saturday morning and later rose to 86.
Mæland said search conditions have been difficult. The shocking nature of the massacre on Utøya meant there were bodies in the water, along the shoreline and then all over the island which he said has a “difficult” terrain. In addition, many of the gunman’s victims had tried to hide behind trees or rocks, in crevices or other sheltered areas, in the hopes of avoiding his deadly shots.
Mæland warned that the final death toll could rise again. Some campers remained missing on Tuesday and a search continued using mini-submarines in the surrounding waters of the Tyri Fjord.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/25/ ... confusion/

It would seem from this that the cops publicized the highest number of possible fatalities early Saturday morning - presumably by counting anyone unaccounted for as dead - to emphasize that the Utoya Island massacre was the 'main event', rather than the Oslo bombing.

A crass, unprofessional and downright stupid thing to do, no doubt, but I don't really see a genuinely sinister motive behind the miscounting.