Huge explosion in Oslo

[stickdog99]

didn't say it was. don't think i'd have taken it though. too high on the water.

Exactly. When kids are being shot to death, it's no job for a ferry.

i can just imagine what you'd have made out of this if they had taken the ferry and been forced to turn around because a couple of cops had their heads blown off on the boat.

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Yeah, thank God the cops left the heavy lifting to the German roofer and his son, the computer geek and the lesbian couple! Had the cops actually done their jobs, one of them could have been hurt!

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Can't blame the prime minister for being slow to respond tho, he was in his "specially constructed" bunker just four minutes after the bombs went off:

Stoltenberg led from below the rubble
Published on Monday, 25th July, 2011 at 18:23 under the news category, by Gareth Corfield.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg took control of the situation just minutes after the first bomb blast in Oslo – in his special underground bunker.
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“The Prime Minister was very concerned that he had to get an overview of the situation and act calmly. He showed leadership and presence and care to those injured and relatives of dead”, said Sindre Fossum Beyer to Dagens Næringsliv.

On Friday afternoon most of the government had gone home for the weekend. Only the Prime Minister and his personal adviser, Beyer, were in the offices as Anders Behring Breivik’s bomb detonated next door, killing seven. Although Breivik had obtained 3000kg of explosive material, just 1800kg went into the Oslo bombs and the bombs later found on Utoya.

The bomb blast damaged the doors of Oslo Fire Station, reported NRK, which hindered fire crews’ ability to get out and deal with the aftermath.

Security guards immediately ushered Stoltenberg and Beyer into a specially constructed bunker underneath the offices. From here the Prime Minister took control of the situation – just four minutes after the detonation.

After reports began coming in of a gunman on Utoya, it is thought that Labour Party leader Eskil Pedersen would have contacted Stoltenberg and Jonas Gahr Store, the Foreign Minister. Pedersen was reportedly visiting Utoya immediately before the shootings began.

News of the death toll reached the Prime Minister at about 3.30am on Saturday morning, vastly exceeding the expected total. Reports say that Stoltenberg and his staff were stunned into silence.

In today’s preliminary hearing, the judge said that Breivik wanted to cause the biggest possible massacre to stem recruitment to the Labour Party because it had “failed the country”, a possible reference to the Labour Party’s infiltration by the KGB as well as its liberal attitude towards immigration.

http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/stolt ... he-rubble/

[8bitagent]

Yeah he said so in his manifesto 8bit, wanted to be caught alive to continue the propaganda phase from prison, that's why he surrendered without a fight. At least that's the story/explanation!

edit: just a reminder of that previous record shooting spree by one individual (35) on another island (Tasmania):

Didnt that happen around the time of Dublane? I remember reports of a coverup, how the shooter was a pedophile and links to Masonry
http://news.scotsman.com/freemasonry/Qu ... 2666857.jp

[Joe Hillshoist]

jonsnowC4 Jon Snow
OK folks I have clarified: It was a mistranslation.Police did NOT call the terrorist's name before his arrest: He just came when they called
16 hours ago

https://twitter.com/#!/jonsnowC4

Port Arthur is weird. I used to go camping there.

[stickdog99]

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So the fake policeman commandeers the ferry within 5 minutes. And the ferry returns to the shore within 5 minutes. But, an hour later, the real cops are completely stumped as to how to fjord the stream.

Fake cop commandeers ferry within 5 minutes. The camp owner commandeers boats to rescue survivors within 5 minutes. But it takes the real cops about 30 minutes to find a "suitable" boat. And when they finally get one, they manage to sink it.

does this really make sense to you or are you just being cute? you're not an ex-army officer or something are you? the reason i ask is cause you think like one.

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Question: would you have helped out as the regular people did when the cops were sitting on their hands?

Look, I'm just a fuckwit computer geek beta male teacher, but if dozens of kids are getting shot 600 meters away from me, I'm going to have to try to help. How about you? Are you in the boat with the regular people or hemming and hawing 600 meters from the scene of the crime with the cops?

[tazmic]

#Norway's justice minister praises police for 'fantastic' work, after criticism they reacted slowly to #Breivik's #Utoeya attack, Reuters

[stickdog99]

Who benefits when individuals become so radicalized that they are willing to sacrifice their own lives in dramatic and seemingly senseless acts of terror?

Consider the irony: Military leaders in the West have often bemoaned the difficulty in getting Western operatives to give up their lives for the cause, citing this as a key military strategic advantage that Muslim forces have over Western forces.

So who comes to their rescue? An anti-Muslim extremist

The more I think about this, the more I realize how fucking perfectly the narrative of the super-powered wingnut lone wolf serves the interests of the global elite. If they can just get a bunch of other wingnuts similarly willing to sacrifice their own lives in the pursuit of senseless, yet highly dramatic terror, they will be able to enact any totalitarian measures they desire with no resistance from either the left or the right. And they don't even need to have real Knights of Wingnuttery, either. All they need is enough few fake examples, and pundits will be falling all over themselves to convince us that the super-powered wingnut lone wolf is truly the next enemy (from within) worthy of our eternal and immeasurable fear. And they have already created such a climate of misplaced hatred among so many Western males that it would not surprise me if our Marxist Hunter's Nordic good looks, cold blooded video game badassery and rambling cut & paste screeds actually do inspire a few lonely and angry wingnuts to follow in his footprints.

Note that this guy killed more than 3 times as many people in one day as any single Palestinian suicide attack has been able to kill in Israel, and that's using Israel's version of events.

[MacCruiskeen]

jonsnowC4 Jon Snow
OK folks I have clarified: It was a mistranslation.Police did NOT call the terrorist's name before his arrest: He just came when they called
16 hours ago

https://twitter.com/#!/jonsnowC4

Well, that's nice of you to clarify for us, Mr. Snow. But -- if I may be so bold -- a 'mistranslation' of what, exactly? Where's the Norwegian original for comparison? Communicated by whom, and to whom, exactly? Transmitted in which medium? And by whom 'mistranslated'? How did this error come to pass?

- Does anyone here have a bloody Twitter account? (What a horrible medium it is.) I would be interested to find out from JS himself how this 'mistranslation' occurred, and to see or hear the original if he can point me (or an actual fluent native speaker of Norwegian) to it.

[To anticipate the inevitable: I am certainly not saying a mistranslation is impossible, and I am certainly not saying people never make honest mistakes. I'd just like to see the evidence for myself, if possible. So colour me paranoid.]

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

26 July 2011 Last updated at 11:38 GMT

'Tell the police to hurry. People are dying here!'

Julie and Marianne Bremnes kept up an SMS exchange throughout the shootings

Julie Bremnes, 16, was one of the youths caught on Utoeya island during Anders Behring Breivik's killing spree on Friday.

She first called her mother, Marianne, at 1710 to tell her there was "a crazy man who is shooting here" on the island. She asked her mother to call the police, and Marianne asked Julie to send her updates by text message to let her know she was still alive.

Julie eventually escaped unscathed. Below is the SMS exchange between mother and daughter published in Norwegian newspaper VG.

Julie ran down to the shore and waded into the water to avoid being shot. She hid herself behind some rocks where other youths where also hiding. They stayed there until a boat came and they were informed Anders Behring Breivik had given himself up and they were safe. They were picked up by some tourists in a boat and, on Sunday, Julie returned home safely to her mother and brother in the northern town of Harstad.

At 1742
Julie: Mummy, tell the police that they must be quick. People are dying here!

Marianne: I'm working on it, Julie. The police are on their way. Dare you call me?

Julie: No.

Julie: Tell the police that there is a mad man running around and shooting people.

Julie: They must hurry!

Marianne: The police know and they have had many calls. It is going well, Julie. Police are calling us now. Give us a sign of life every five minutes please?

Julie: Ok.

Julie: We are in fear for our lives.

Marianne: I understand that very well, my darling. Stay hidden, do not move anywhere! The police are already on their way, if they haven't already arrived! Do you see anyone injured or killed?

Julie: We are hiding in the rocks along the coast.

Marianne: Good! Should I ask your grandfather to come down and pick you up when everything is safe again? You have the option.

Julie: Yes.

Marianne: We will contact Grandpa immediately.

Julie: I love you even if I still misbehave from time to time.

Julie: And I'm not panicking even if I'm shit scared.

Marianne: I know that my darling. We love you too very much. Do you still hear shooting?

Julie: No.

At 1815
Marianne: Have you heard anything from the other people from Tromso? Grandpa is on his way down.

Julie: The police are here.

Marianne: The person shooting is said to be in police uniform. Be careful! What happens to you now?

At 1830
Julie: We do not know.

Marianne: Can you talk now?

Julie: No. He is still shooting!

Marianne: Joergen has swum to the shore. I just spoke to his father.

This is everywhere on the national news now, all attention on Utoeya now. Be careful! When you get the chance, you come to the mainland and stay with Grandpa of Hamar.

Julie: I'm still alive.

Marianne: And thanks and praise for that.

Julie: We are waiting to be picked up by the police.

We heard shooting just now, so we dared not get up.

Marianne: Good! Good, well done. The evacuation is now ongoing, they are saying on TV.

Julie: We hope we will be picked up by someone soon. Can they not catch him soon?!

Marianne: The anti-terrorism unit is there and they are working on catching him.

Julie: OK.

Marianne: Should we try to get the flight home tomorrow?

Julie: I have no time to think about that now.

Marianne: I understand that.

Julie: Do you know if they have managed to catch him?

Marianne: Will keep you posted, my darling. We are following everything on television.

Marianne: Hey, are you there?

Julie: Yes. The helicopters are circling above us.

Marianne: Then you should be OK?

Julie: They are looking for people in the water, we have not been picked up yet!

At 1901
Julie: What are they saying in the news?

Marianne: The police are also arriving by boat to Utoeya, otherwise nothing new. It is not clear what's happened to the shooter so keep still. Wait for someone to pick you up.

Marianne: Now they have taken him!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14287822

[MacCruiskeen]

Mac, from the last page:

"Police sources said there had been much internal police debate over whether the first responders should have approached the island without waiting for the Oslo force."

Sounds like the cops were under orders to wait for the 'special' team.

It certainly does. And most of those mere-mortal cops must have been going mad with impatience at those orders, which meant waiting an eternity for those indispensible elite hotshots to turn up, and then having to watch them faff around searching for a boat, and then watching them finally find one, and then watching them nearly sink it, and then watching them take 20-odd interminable minutes to actually reach the island.

After all, the mere-mortal cops were being forced to stand around scratching their arses for an hour and a half while a massacre of children took place in their presence. And meanwhile, an actual efficient impromptu rescue operation was being carried out before their very eyes, by hordes of ordinary, untrained, un-elite people, including two middle-aged Finnish lesbians who just happened to be on holiday there.

So who gave the mere mortals the order to wait? It must have come from pretty high up (from the Boss of the Elite, so to speak), and it must have been couched in very strong terms.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Well, that's nice of you to clarify for us, Mr. Snow. But -- if I may be so bold -- a 'mistranslation' of what, exactly? Where's the Norwegian original for comparison? Communicated by whom, and to whom, exactly? Transmitted in which medium? And by whom 'mistranslated'? How did this error come to pass?

- Does anyone here have a bloody Twitter account? (What a horrible medium it is.) I would be interested to find out from JS himself how this 'mistranslation' occurred, and to see or hear the original if he can point me (or an actual fluent native speaker of Norwegian) to it.

I dunno mac, he just tweeted that message with no follow up and no info on where it came from or what was mistranslated by who or anything. Then he did this:

@kaatje36 There was a 'mistranslation'..when the police called out to the terrorist they did not call him by name - he came to their call..
3 hours ago

Dunno who kaatje36 is.

And yes they do happen all the time. All sorts of shit happens all the time, including people sitting around on their arses not doing anything cos of institutional paralysis while ordinary people get on with stuff.

[Harvey]

2/11?

There are a number of dates embedded in the Norwegian tax example form. Two refer to key Nazi dates, one refers to the death of a Norwegian novelist, and the other date is 03/11/63, (Kennedy/vietnam reference?) from the string 03 11 63 003 31 a persons fictional tax number on the form and which also led me to what looked like a spook dead drop, possibly a meeting and location in 2009 on the day of Obama's Inaugeration. The tax number is the string I was refering to but to be honest the whole thing is a dead end and risk's derailing the thread.

[stickdog99]

From a 1995 card game, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati ... orld_Order

[stickdog99]

And yes they do happen all the time. All sorts of shit happens all the time, including people sitting around on their arses not doing anything cos of institutional paralysis while ordinary people get on with stuff.

While dozens of kids are in the process of getting murdered. Yep. Just another day at the races.

Someone remind me. Where am I?

[MacCruiskeen]

The BBC has now also reverted to the originally-admitted delay-time of (ffs) 90 minutes:

It was an hour-and-a-half before an armed unit could reach the island from Oslo [a 20-minute drive away].

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14294251

For "could reach", read "decided to reach". The unarmed lesbian-lady & German-camper & local-yokel & grey-haired-retiree & average-housewife & nondescript-bloke units managed to reach the island up to five times and rescue hundreds of children while the elite members of the sadly-helicopterless* Delta Force were still busy choosing their outfits ("Does my gun look big in this?") and forgetting that they couldn't actually walk on water. Or so we're expected to believe.

Luckily, the killer-of-kids gave up without fighting or even threatening any Delta Force members (though not without firing on the actual rescuers' boats), thus rendering that elite armed unit's worries moot. And any rumours that they addressed him, disarmingly, by name are undoubtedly the result of an unfortunate mistranslation.

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At 1830:

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Julie: Yes. The helicopters are circling above us.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14287822