Huge explosion in Oslo

[elfismiles]

Perfect Soldiers: The 9/11 Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It
by Terry Mcdermott
http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Soldiers- ... 0060584696
http://books.google.com/books?id=l9ZXpLBs9csC&pg

They did it because we occupy their Holy Lands and Install & Support Dictators.

One striking thing about 9/11 is that we've still learned hardly anything about the childhood and youth of those 19 Deathloving Muslim Superstudents. If they did what they're alleged to have done, what made them the kind of people capable of doing it? Nobody in the media ever even asked, except to say "Well, that's what them Moozlims are like, innit? Capable of anything, that lot!" And that was the full extent of the psychological analysis. No biographical evidence was required in support of it, nor was it ever even asked for.
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[vanlose kid]

A police guard had been due to be on the Norwegian island where a gunman massacred at least 86 people but detectives do not know where he was, they have revealed.
"There was supposed to be a police officer there," acting police chief Sveinung Sponheim told a news conference, adding that it is unclear where he was.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect ... 38770.html

well, perhaps we know where the shooter got the uniform now.


FYI - I'm assuming they're not talking about the off-duty cop hired as a guard. Since we know where he is

i think they meant him. that's from the 24th. news on him came out on the 25th. also, Breivik was in uniform when he stepped on the ferry (posted that somewhere in the 30s [or 40s]), that is before he got to Utoya.

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[MacCruiskeen]

Perfect Soldiers: The 9/11 Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It
by Terry Mcdermott
http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Soldiers- ... 0060584696
http://books.google.com/books?id=l9ZXpLBs9csC&pg

They did it because we occupy their Holy Lands and Install & Support Dictators.

Well, quite. Plus they do love them some death, those Muslims. That's why they're constantly bumping themselves off nineteen at a time, and why Egyptians are so stubbornly unwilling to embrace Western Values (TM) and quite incapable of understanding what democracy really means. [Shurely shome mishtake? - Ed.]

But thanks for the link, seriously. I hadn't even heard of that one, so I will have to read it now.

Have you read it? It seems a wee bit short for a thorough psychological history and analysis of 19 Inhuman Monsters from, what, four different countries.

[vanlose kid]

^ ^

you should thank elfismiles.

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[MacCruiskeen]

Well, thank you elfismiles, and I apologise to both of you for the confusion.

One thing: No doubt it's possible to find 19 very nasty fucked-up people in any country, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're all mass murderers who are happily suicidal to boot. (Hardly anyone is.) Even less does it prove that they were. By contrast, there's practically no doubt that Breivik did what he did, whether with or without accomplices, and he is very likely going to get a fair trial, where he will be identified by many of those who saw him do what he did, and where he will have an opportunity to identify himself and be defended by a lawyer. All this distinguishes him already from those 19 alleged hijackers, however nasty or fucked-up any of these people may or may not have been. Even if Mr. McDermott manages to demonstrate that they all had a) very bad characters, and b) perfectly happy childhoods (however unlikely that combination already sounds), that's a very different thing from proving that they did in fact murder themselves and nearly 3,000 other people on September 11th 2001.

But I'm stating the bleeding obvious at interminable length again, so I'll stop. And I don't want to throw the thread any more off-topic, so goodnight.

[vanlose kid]

Before the deadly attack in Norway that killed 76 people, suspect Anders Behring Breivik left a long trail of material meticulously outlining his political beliefs. His 1,500-page political manifesto titled, "A European Declaration of Independence," seeks common cause with xenophobic right-wing groups around the world, particularly in the United States. It draws heavily on the writing of prominent anti-Islam American bloggers, as well as Unabomber Ted Kaczynski. His writing reveals he is a right-wing nationalist fueled by a combined hatred of Muslims, Marxists, multiculturalists and feminist women. Even after the massacre in Norway, some right-wing pundits in the United States have come out in defense of Breivik's analysis. Democracy Now! interviews Jeff Sharlet, an author who has written extensively about right-wing movements in the United States, and who has read much of Breivik's 1500-page manifesto. "What struck me most about this document is just how American it is in every way, a huge amount of it is from American sources," Sharlet says. "He is a great admirer of America because the United States, unlike Europe, has maintained its 'Christian identity.'"

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[semper occultus]

..I'm not rationalising why the Utøya Massacre would have been engineered as a "genuine-flag" operation.....is shooting a few dozen kids of whatever political affiliation really a tactic designed to propel the public & political culture towards the embrace or acceptance of whatever diabolical agenda Breivik's putative controllers represent....seems like suggesting elite paedophiles triggered Dunblane to get the public behind more child-molesting.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Kinda same rhetorics used against muslims now being used against the right. "Even after all these terrorattacks those scumbags stay muslim" vs "even after all this some right bloggers keep defending their analysis that this guy copypasted into his manifesto". Shocking!

[RobinDaHood]

I found this at Cryptogon-
http://www.esquire.com/print-this/homegrown-terrorism-us-0811?page=all

At the beginning of this year, not long after they'd found the bomb on the bench in Spokane, a journalist named David Neiwert put together a list of nearly thirty acts of right-wing political violence that had taken place, or had been foiled, in the United States since the summer of 2008 — or roughly since Barack Obama's presidency began to be seen as a genuine possibility. The list began with Jim David Adkisson, who killed two people in a Unitarian church in Tennessee because he was angry at how "liberals" were "destroying America." It included two episodes in April 2009, one in Pittsburgh and one in Florida, in which men who were sure that Barack Obama's government was coming for their guns opened fire on law-enforcement officers who had come to investigate them on other matters.

[solace]

They did it because we occupy their Holy Lands and Install & Support Dictators.

Ironically, Breivik felt much the same way it appears.

[vanlose kid]

Norway attacks: a survivor's account of the Utøya massacre

An activist from the youth labour movement describes her daring escape from Anders Behring Breivik's bullets

Emma Martinovic
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 27 July 2011 22.21 BST


Time to reflect. A girl stands among floral tributes placed in the fjord near the scene of Friday’s shooting spree on Utøya island. Emma Martinovic was one of the few who swam to safety. Photograph: Allover Norway/Rex Features

Emma Martinovic, 18, an activist from Norway's youth labour movement, survived Friday's massacre on the island of Utøya. Many of her friends were not so lucky. In this extract from her blog she describes how she made her daring escape by swimming to safety, dodging Anders Behring Breivik's bullets with every stroke

We hid on a rocky slope, or at least tried to. The bastard with the gun would actually have been able to come from any side and discover us, we couldn't see anything from our vantage point.

Minutes felt like hours. Then text messages started to tick in: "Where are you?" "Are you hidden?" "I love you so much," and other similar messages.

Then came the text from my friend Pernille: "He's by the school building, he's shooting through the door. We are a group of 30 who are trying to hide. Are you safe?" I replied as concisely as I could: "What does he look like? Is there more than one? Has he got into the building? We are hidden, but not safe."

Finally came her description. He was in a police uniform and had a weapon. There were some reports of there being two gunmen. Then came a message that he was heading our way. I put my hands together and talked to God, at the same time trying to keep the others calm. Then I decided to send AUF's [Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking, Norway's youth labour movement] leader a text, and he replied that he was safe. I asked him: "What should we do? There are four of us clinging to a rockface." His reply was short and to the point: "Swim." I got hold of the other three and told them to get ready to swim.

I wanted to assure myself that the coast was clear so I first went down to the water's edge. But there I saw a body face down in the water. I waded out, all the while looking skywards and praying. I dragged the boy's body back to land and when I pulled back his jacket hood I saw it was a friend of mine, and I saw the wound to his head. There was no time to react. I kissed him on the cheek and returned to my rockface.

Then I spotted other delegates trying to hide by the water's edge, and waded over to them. I told them that I had talked to the AUF leader and that his advice was that we swim away. I suggested to the girls that they stick some ID down their bras, or some other item that might identify them. I outlined for them a plan: we swim out as far as possible, beyond the rifle sight of the bastard, and out to the right towards an adjacent island.

Everyone started to undress, they all knew how much a hindrance wet clothing is. Before wading in I sent a last text to my mum, dad, younger brother, and best friend Robin. With one other I led the way, checking over my shoulder that the others were following. It was cold, I felt the chill in my bones, but focused on keeping my head above water. Behind me some of the others were starting to panic, so I shouted to them: "Keep your head above water, get away from land. Breathe!"

Then I turned on to my back and looked back at the island and caught sight of the bastard. He was standing there in a police uniform, he had blond hair, fair skin, a police cap on his head, and I saw his weapon. It looked as if he was aiming at us. Poff! One of the other swimmers was shot, I saw the blood stream out, so I started to swim even faster. Then I turned on my back again and saw he was aiming at those who still hadn't started swimming from land yet. As if he had realised he couldn't hit us out in the fjord, he was concentrating on taking out those on the rocks below him.

I saw one of my friends about to leap into the water, but in a second he was shot. Even at a distance I could see and hear the two shots, straight to the head. I saw his head explode, I saw how he was split apart. Panic spread like wildfire among those on land. I wanted to be among them, urging them to get away, by land or water. I even yelled: "Swim or run!", but nothing helped, there was so much other noise – both the helicopter above us and the bastard's rifle.

When I turned on to my front again I felt the panic seize me. I felt my eyes wanting to close, I felt the water slowly getting into me, filling me up. I felt my head wanted to turn and look back, I felt the pain. The panic spread to my breathing, I was gasping for air. Suddenly someone behind me shouts. "Emma, I can't go on."

It was one of my girlfriends. I gritted my teeth and swam back to her, then told her to keep the rhythm: Breath for you and breath for me. We'll soon be safe and warm, you'll see. I let her climb up on to my shoulders and keep swimming with her legs; together we managed to keep going. I breathed steadily. In my own mind I was keeping a rhythmic stroke: "One for mum, one for dad, one for my brother, one for Robin. All are waiting there on land." All the while I talked to the girl on my back.

Suddenly she said: "Emma, you're bleeding", and when I looked down at my left arm, there was blood pouring from it. I tried to shut it out, focus on swimming, but I knew full well why my left arm was aching so much, but I didn't want to stop. Behind us we could still hear shooting, the screams, the laughter of the bastard as he shot, and his shout to us: "You won't get away!"

Then my friend said she felt she was able to swim on her own. She swam beside me, breathing regularly anddoing really well. It felt as if all this took several hours, but I know it was really only minutes.

A young boy came swimming up to me. I looked at him and said: "For someone so young you're a strong swimmer." He looked at me and replied: "My daddy is dead." I said to him: "Don't look back, just keep swimming for your dad. You're doing really great." To this he answered: "I thought the police were supposed to be kind to us."
Emma Martinovic Emma Martinovic

The anger that swelled up in me gave me extra motivation. We three kept swimming side by side. When I turned on my back to see what was happening I discovered that there were far fewer in our wake: the bastard was still shooting at us. I said: "Don't look back, keep swimming". And as I said that I heard and saw a boat and we all swam faster, shouting: "Thank you God, thank you."

I waved, I shouted: "Help! Over here!" I said to my friend and the little boy that I would swim to the boat first, in case it was some sort of trick the bastard had planned. We had lost faith in everyone. I looked up at the man who lifted me into his boat. "You're safe now," he said. He gave me a good hug and asked if there were others. We motored out to my friend and the boy and I said: "Come on, it's safe."

Before I finish I want to say that I am not going to leave politics. The bastard will not stop us, we won't give in. I have so many questions, I would like one day to meet him again, without a weapon. Why? What was he thinking? All these questions which will never be answered. Just think of it, he dressed himself in a police uniform, the symbol of safety and support. He abused our trust in the police.

Translation by Andrew Boyle

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... a-massacre

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[vanlose kid]

Norway killings: search for bodies continues as first victims named

Police boats search fjord around Utøya island as man charged for allegedly selling chemicals used in Oslo bomb

Helen Pidd in Oslo
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 27 July 2011 20.57 BST

Investigators are still searching for bodies the fjord surrounding the island where Anders Behring Breivik killed 68 out of his 76 victims last week.

Police have so far released the names of 13 people who died in the twin atrocities. Sharidyn Svebakk-Bohn celebrated her 14th birthday five days before she was killed at the Labour party youth convention on Utøya, and is the youngest. The teenager was well known in her town of Drammen in east Norway: aged 12 she featured in the local newspaper when she wrote a letter to the mayor demanding a children's summer camp not be shut.

Another 14-year-old is still listed as missing. Johannes Buo was a football and judo enthusiast from Mandal, a fishing town on the south coast.

As investigators continued their inquiry, a Pole was charged with "crimes against public safety" for allegedly selling the chemicals which Breivik used to make the bomb he planted in Oslo's government district, killing eight people.

Police sources suggest that by Wednesday afternoon only one person remained unaccounted for, though a full list would only be released once all identities had been confirmed and their families informed.

Two boats and a miniature submarine searched the water surrounding Utøya through the day. The island remained cordoned off as a search continued in the woods and along the shoreline.

The police commander in charge of the operation to evacuate the island following the attack described how Breivik surrendered with his hands in the air and his guns on the ground when armed counter terrorism officers surrounded him on Friday. They had been directed towards the south side by terrified teenagers who had evaded his 90 minutes of gunfire.

"When we got 350 metres away, we used our voices to call to him. The terrain was very difficult and it was hard to get clear visibility," said Havard Gasbakk. "Suddenly the gunman was in front of us with his hands above his head."

After police apprehended Breivik "in the usual way", Gasbakk's task was to see if there were other gunmen on the island. "I had to see if there was anybody else shooting," he said at a press conference.

Having established Breivik was acting alone, Gasbakk co-ordinated the rescue operation, which saw hundreds of young people from Utøya brought safely to shore. Some were fished out of the water with the help of holidaymakers from the campsite opposite who used their own boats; others were coaxed out of their hiding places on the island. Many did not believe the police officers were genuine because Breivik had been wearing what appeared a police uniform.

Then the first aid effort began. "The victims just came like on a conveyor belt," said Gasbakk. The injuries were so severe that rescuers had to change their surgical gloves "very fast", he added.

Aware of the criticism levelled at police and emergency services for taking an hour and a half to reach the island, Gasbakk said he was "proud and humbled" at how his team had responded; he himself had been on his day off when the alarm came. But Sissel Hammer, chief of police of Nordre Buskerud district, where Utøya is located, said there would be an inquiry into how her officers had dealt with the incident.

The prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, announced an independent investigation into the two attacks, which would report directly to him. Called the July 22 Commission, it will examine whether more could have been done both to prevent the attacks and respond to them, he said.

He also announced that the government would pay for the funerals of all victims, as well as legal bills incurred by any survivors.

At a press conference at his Oslo residence, Stoltenberg underlined his commitment to openness, defending freedom of thought, even if includes extremist views such as those held by the 32-year-old who confessed to Friday's bomb blast and to the shooting massacre.

"We have to be very clear to distinguish between extreme views, opinions that are completely legal, legitimate to have, [and] what is not legitimate is to try to implement those extreme views by using violence," he said.

"I think what we have seen is that there is going to be one Norway before and one Norway after 22 July," he said. "But I hope and also believe that the Norway we will see after will be more open, a more tolerant society than what we had before."

He said the Labour party, including survivors of the massacre, were determined to reopen Utøya as a retreat in the future. He himself had visited the island every summer since 1974, he said.

Hadia Tajik, 28-year-old Muslim Labour party MP, said: "We want to reclaim the island. It is associated with sadness, but we want it to become a paradise again."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... -continues

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[MacCruiskeen]

These reports are just indescribably horrible. The girl interviewed here says there was an eight-year-old child there too.

27 July 2011 Last updated at 17:36 GMT

Norway killings: 'I could smell the blood'


Sondre and Tuva

"Sondre, my very very good friend, was missing - I loved that boy with all my heart"

Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg has said his country will "not be intimidated or threatened" by Friday's bomb and gun attacks.

Tuva Elise Akersveen Bo survived the shootings on Utoeya island and shared her story with the BBC.

"I've been to the camp in Utoeya twice, so this was my third time. It was supposed to be fun - I was looking forward to it.

Then this happened.

When we first heard the shooting, we ran to the window. My friends and I looked outside and a man dressed in a police uniform yelled: "Get away from the windows, get in the hall."

I panicked and lay on the ground.

I then heard the shots in the hall. I got up and saw his face and that image of him was imprinted on my mind - I see it all the time.

He shot the boy in front of him and started reloading.

I was just staring at him until my friend grabbed my arm and dragged me down. For a moment we started laughing, out of shock.

Then another friend ran in and shouted at us to run.

I was frustrated and shouted: "I don't have shoes". I don't know why I said that.

Tuva Elise Akersveen Bo: "We saw a boy who was shot in his leg - we didn't stop and I feel so guilty about that now"

Then my friend shook me and I thought "screw it" and we ran outside.

We then decided we needed to make a plan about where we were going to run.

My friend and I took charge and shouted out a plan to about 50 people: we would go towards the woods.

As we were running, we ran into the woods and saw a boy who was shot in his leg.

We didn't stop and I feel so guilty about that now.

We ran for 10 minutes and then hid in long grass. We took our colourful clothes off so he wouldn't see us and we turned our phones on silent.

There was an eight-year-old boy with us - I felt so sorry for him. He should be playing, I thought, not running away.

Every time we started running, we dispersed and lost members of the group. Some went in different directions, others at the back got shot.

In the end, I was with two friends. We went to the back of the building, ran inside and locked ourselves in a room. We hid under bunk beds.

It was then that I realised that my hip was dislocated and my feet were all cut from running on rocks. I hadn't even felt the pain before.

For two hours we were texting people we loved, our families and friends, saying that if something happened we loved them and we'd remember them. We were almost saying goodbye.

Mixed feelings

In the end a friend rang us and told us the police had arrived. When we were sure it was her, we told her where we were and the police got us.

When we walked past dead bodies, the police told us to look the other way.

But I couldn't help it. I looked each time, and saw dead people, shot in their backs as they were crawling into their tents. Others were still holding their mobile phones.

There was so much blood, I could smell it.

Finally I met with some friends and we cried.

We had mixed feelings: everyone was extraordinarily happy because they had survived but also devastated because many of us were dead.

Sondre, my very very good friend, was missing. I loved that boy with all my heart.

I met him in the camp last year - Utoeya is the reason why I found him and now I fear it's the reason why I lost him.

I'm going to go back to Utoeya next year. I want to show that horrible person that he can't hurt us anymore."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14313824

[lupercal]

Sondre and Tuva

Others were still holding their mobile phones.

700 cell phones and no pics or vids of Breivik in action, official or otherwise? Doesn't that seem odd?

Oh wait, I found one:



I want to believe!

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Policeman's account of arrest of Anders Breivik (video)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14317088