Huge explosion in Oslo

[MacCruiskeen]

Responding promptly and efficiently to a massacre of the Labour Party Youth Wing does not necessarily entail becoming a police state.

Does it?

[norton ash]

melt into a blissful "no one could have predicted a crazy madman running loose on that faraway island, there's not a shred of evidence to the contrary and it's pure malicious madness to question this or any official story and all my facebook friends agree!"

It hasn't melted into a blissful anything, Lupe. People are still talking all kinds of shit here as far as I can see, and we're getting all kinds of perspectives on a huge skein of info, misinfo, disinfo and the very real fog of catastrophe and emergency chain-of-command.

So no sense lumping us in with the Facebook L7's. There isn't a goddam thing wrong with putting forward views that aren't Lupercal's particular LIHOP/MIHOP at this stage, and your reduction of people who disagree with you as dim sheep is insulting. Do you use a little sing-songy Glenn Beck deluded-liberal-voice when you write stuff like what's above? Because it's pure schoolyard.

I repeat:

Are you talking about us? Have no fear, Lupe, we're not that stupid.

[stickdog99]

Your contrived response to my speculation adds nothing but venom to the coversation. You are quite lodged into your perspective arent you?
What purpose is served by your insulting response? Your inability to even consider other scenarios is, by definition, inconsiderate.
You are more likely to solve a problem when you look at it from all angles.

The situation with the ferry boat has nothing to do with the timing of the police response. No one has denied that it was a painfully slow response.
Yet you continue to denigrate anyone who didnt perform to your standards or doesnt adhere to your beliefs.

We get your angle stickdog, enough already.

Who are you?

[stickdog99]

I'm guessing that at least 10 more kids died because he moved the ferry off the grid

Heres another potential scenario.
The ferry crew wait for a full boat (calling people over?(the kids know the ferry is safe?)) and after awhile load up to the full 50.
Then along comes the shooter, massacres the whole lot, and thanks them for waiting up.
Seriously stickdog, you are not being very considerate.
Doubt they could of done much rescuing from the water either.
Besides being a giant target, the logistics appear quite difficult.

Exactly. The police, organization leaders and transportation operators need to leave the dirty work of saving the shot up and drowning kids to the computer geeks, German roofers and lesbian couples. How inconsiderate of me to suggest otherwise.

what's interesting is that I have not read one word from the geeks, german roofers or lesbian couple complaining about the police (or leaders') response. In fact, what i have read is that there is an outpouring of support from the Norwegian people for them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lives.html

"Cooperation with the police and rescue crews afterwards was very good, but it all came too late. The first time I was out I was all alone."

this is hardly a condemnation of the police and rescue crews' response. only of the length of time that it took, which was not necessarily the fault of the police or rescue crews.

You want so much to believe that there is a conspiracy here, but the evidence you've gathered is not adding up to that.

You are hilarious. Show me where I've ever claimed any conspiracy. Produce my claims of conspiracy.

The only thing that has me thinking conspiracy is the way I keep getting jumped for simply pointing out the obvious.

[stickdog99]

He was Gilligan, not the skipper. And looking at the map, you can't go more than 10 miles north before you run out of lake. So basically the captain of the ferry and the leader of the Norwegian Labor youth organization saved their own asses and then drove the ferry as far away as they could possibly get from the kids who were getting murdered before running out of lake. Future leadership at its finest, right? I mean, they had just left all of their friends on the island. Perhaps they could have at least called the police and asked the cops where they would like the ferry delivered?

There is a police department basically right on the lake to the south in Vikersund, Norway.

What if they thought the guy was genuinely a cop, as were his mates on the shore. Myaybe they thought there was a coup?

Now, that's an interesting thought.

[Phil]

Another couple of interesting questions in here....

http://wsws.org/articles/2011/jul2011/norw-j28.shtml

It is now almost a week since the fascist atrocity in Norway—the blowing up of government offices in central Oslo, killing eight people, and the cold-blooded murder of 68 young people on the nearby island of Otøya.

This terrorist attack, the most deadly in post-war Norwegian history, has been consistently reported as the work of a crazed gunman who acted alone. The media and politicians are working assiduously to obscure the political motives of the killer, his connections to far-right and fascist organizations, and the political and moral responsibility borne by establishment parties and politicians in Europe and the US who have sought to appropriate the anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim program of the extreme right wing.

This is not an easy task, since the killer, Anders Behring Breivik, announced to the world that he was setting out to destroy the Norwegian Labour Party and kill as many of its officials and members as possible because he associated the party with “Marxist multiculturalism.” In a 1,500-page manifesto posted on the Internet only hours before the attack, Breivik, the son of a former Norwegian diplomat, proclaimed his bloody act to be part of a campaign to purge Muslim influence from Norway and defend “Western civilization.”

His action, he explained, should signal the start of a European civil war and serve as a rallying point for anti-Muslim fanatics. His lawyer, Geir Lippestad said on Tuesday, “He believes this is the start of a war that will go on for 60 years.”

In the rush by the media and political establishment to derail any serious discussion or examination of the facts of the attack and its political implications, a number of glaring anomalies and troubling questions are being passed over in silence.

There is the fact that it took the police 90 minutes to arrive on Otøya, 25 miles from Oslo, after they began receiving desperate telephone calls from Labour Party youth reporting that scores of people were being executed by a gunman. The official story is that no helicopters were available.

If that is true, it only demonstrates the fraud of the so-called “war on terrorism.” Norway has sent troops to Afghanistan and is supporting the US-NATO air war against Libya supposedly because such interventions are necessary to protect the people of Norway and Europe as a whole from the ever-present threat of terrorist attack. But an actual terrorist attack on Norwegian soil—not by an Islamic extremist but by a native-born middle-class Norwegian—immediately exposes the fact that no preparations have been made to protect the population.

Why? Because the Norwegian ruling class and all of its parties—social democratic as well as conservative—understand that the so-called “war on terror” is an elaborate pretext for military aggression abroad on behalf of the imperialist economic and geo-political interests of the financial elite, and an assault on democratic rights at home to prepare for state repression against working class opposition to austerity measures. It has nothing to do with defending the people against external attack.

Far from offering a serious explanation for the delayed police response, which gave Breivik all the time he needed to murder one youth after another without hindrance, Justice Minister Knut Storberget on Tuesday praised the “fantastic work” of the police.

“I would like to emphasize that the police have done a magnificent job and I do not think it is appropriate to criticise the police,” he said when journalists questioned him about the 90 minute delay. “It is important for me to congratulate all policewomen and policemen working on the streets, as well as all senior police officials,” Storberget insisted.

Nor was the performance of Norway’s Delta Force, presumably the first line of defence against terrorist attacks, any better. The head of the force, Anders Snortheimsmoen, said this week that it arrived at the same time as the local police.

According to his lawyer, Breivik himself was surprised that he was able to carry out the massacre on Otøya after exploding the bomb in Oslo. He expected to be killed immediately after the Oslo bombing. The ease and speed with which Breivik reached the island and put his terrorist plan into operation stands in marked contrast to time it took the police to make the same journey to apprehend him.

The delay in the police response is only one of many troubling unanswered questions. It is widely reported that Breivik was wearing as police uniform. How did he obtain it?

Early reports said that six people were arrested in Breivik’s apartment. They were later said to have been released because they had no connection with the case. But why were six people at the home of a man who has been described as a loner?

Breivik initially claimed to be working alone, but he later said there were two other terrorist cells in Norway, as well as others abroad. Norwegian police have been quick to deny that Breivik had any accomplices.

Janne Kristiansen, head of domestic intelligence, said it was “highly unlikely” that other cells existed, despite the fact that other security agencies worldwide are searching for links to Breivik. On what facts or evidence is Kristiansen’s conclusion based? The mainstream media do not bother to even ask.

Evidence of Breivik’s links to right-wing organisations is mounting. The English Defence League (EDL), which initially denied any connection with him, has now back-tracked and is examining the possibility, after the UK-based Searchlight magazine, which investigates right-wing groups, published material indicating that contacts existed between the EDL and Breivik.

If Breivik operated alone, it is difficult to explain how he assembled the chemicals and weapons he needed for his attack. Norwegian police blew up explosives at a farm rented by Breivik. They refused to say what quantity of explosives was involved. Some reports have suggested that he had a total of 6 tonnes of explosives sourced from different companies, some of them outside Norway.

His purchases brought him to the attention of Norwegian customs, who reported him to the security services. His name was on an Interpol and a Norwegian watch list. How, then, was he able to proceed with impunity in carrying out his murderous plan?

The attempt to separate the terrorist attack in Norway from the increasing integration of fascistic tendencies into mainstream European bourgeois politics pervades the media coverage and official commentary. Every effort is being made to portray this politically motivated crime as an isolated event that has no wider political significance.

Writing in the Guardian, British journalist Simon Jenkins declared: “The Norwegian tragedy is just that, a tragedy. It does not signify anything and should not be forced to do so. A man so insane he can see nothing wrong in shooting dead 68 young people in cold blood is so exceptional as to be of interest to criminology and brain science, but not to politics.”

Meanwhile, some spokesmen for right-wing parties that share government power are defending the political outlook of Breivik. Interviewed on a popular radio show, Francesco Speroni, a leading member of the Northern League, the junior partner in Silvio Berlusconi's conservative coalition, said, “Breivik’s ideas are in defence of Western civilization.”

Another Northern League politician, member of the European parliament Mario Borghezio, told radio Il Sole-24 Ore that he sympathised with Breivik’s ideas. “Some of the ideas he expressed are good, barring the violence. Some of them are great,” Borghezio said.

Breivik is a former member of the Norwegian Progress Party, which calls for tighter curbs on immigration. In 2009, Siv Jensen, leader of the party, identified what she called “a kind of sneak-Islamisation of this society,” for which she blamed the Labour Party. “We are going to have to stop this,” she said.

Breivik reportedly left the Progress Party because he deemed it insufficiently right-wing.

What has taken place in Norway is a fascist terror attack. Its immediate target was the Norwegian Labour Party, but there should be no mistake that the objective of the forces to which Breivik belongs is a war on the working class.

The Norwegian Labour Party, like every other social democratic party, has adapted its policies to the extreme right. The effect of last Friday’s attack will be to drive it even further to the right, and other parties, social democratic and otherwise, will follow suit.

The Norway terror attack is the outcome of a process in which fascistic elements have been nurtured over many years and are now being brought into official political life. The massacre exposes the putrefaction of the entire political system in Europe and beyond.

[Phil]

More on the 'lone superwolf'

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/features/article/38/anders-behring-breivik-was-in-contact-with-th

Searchlight Press Release | Tuesday, 26 July 2011

Anders Behring Breivik was in contact with the EDL, supported their aims and was involved in the Norwegian Defence League, Searchlight can reveal.

Only months before he went on his murderous killing spree he exchanged several messages with EDL supporters using his internet pseudonym Sigurd Jorsalfare, the name of the 12th century King of Norway who led one of the Crusades.

In one message on the EDL forum, dated 9 March 2011, he wrote:

“Hello. To you all good English men and women, just wanted to say that you're a blessing to all in Europe, in these dark times all of Europe are looking to you in surch of inspiration, courage and even hope that we might turn this evil trend with islamisation all across our continent. Well, just wanted to say keep up the good work it's good to see others that care about their country and heritage. All the best to you all Sigurd”

Asked by EDL supporters if he was active in the Norwegian Defence League, Breivik replied:

“I was but, the site has been put down now. There was to be a demo in Oslo on the 26 of February but after the police security service put us on the "danger-list" the the internet site was sadly shut down.”

He went on to describe his hatred of society in Norway and specifically picked out the Norwegian Labour Party for his criticism.

“The biggest problem in norway is that there is no real free press, there is a left-wing angle on all the political topics so most people are going around like idiots. And offcourse with our norwegian labour party beeing in power for most of the last 50 years dont help. but i i think there is an awakening now atleast i hope so. Do some of you know the truth about what happened to the ndl, there was some clames that neo-nazis had hijacked the organisation, but on the ndl site i cant really say i noticed anything like that. So may guess is that there were some kind of police pressure to stop the movement. Anyone here heard anything?”

In another posting he attacked the British society and expressed his interest in joining an EDL demonstration:

“i've seen with my own eyes what has happened to england, i was in bradford some years ago, me and a friend walked down to the football stadium of bradford, real "nice" neighborhood, same thing in the suburbs of london. well thinking about taking a little trip over the sea and join you in a demo. would be nice with a norwegian flag alongside with union jack or the english flag, that is if a norwegian would be welcome offcourse?”

This message appears to confirm the rumour that Breivik once lived in the UK. His father was a diplomat and is believed to have been based in London for some time.

Breivik was told by EDL supporters that he would be most welcome, to which he replied:

“I hoped so:) it's our common struggle against the islamofacists.”

EDL supporters were keen to have his support. An EDL forum member, username ‘Concerned’, replied: ‘Bravo sigurd admire your views and courage. no surrender and welcome.”

Breivik then went quiet. A few days later he shut down his facebook site, went offline and began the final countdown to his killing spree.

Friends

Breivik was Facebook friends with dozens of EDL supporters and even some BNP members.

Norwegian Defence League

Anders Behring Breivik was a supporter of the Norwegian Defence League and was known to Ronny Alte, from Tønsberg, who created a NDL Facebook group with some friends. The group gathered more than 500 members, including convicted nazis and exiled Russians belonging to the banned Slavic Union.

One of the Russians is Vjoteslav Datsik, who walked into an Oslo police station in 2010 and applied for political asylum while waving a handgun. Datsik is now back in Russia awaiting trial on robbery charges

The group's reputation was tarnished publically after the involvement of these nazis was revealed, but despite claiming they had been expelled Alte had difficulty explaining why his group still included Datsik, as well as the convicted nazi bank robber Werner Holm and violent nazis such as Johnny "Light" Olsen", Morten Andre Serensen and Dariusz Arnesen, all previously connected with the now defunct Norwegian 'Blood and Honour' network.

Ronny Alte, who knew Breivik under the name Sigurd Jorsalfare, remains one of the administrators of the Norwegian Defence League sites.

In his internet exchanges with the EDL, Breivik makes it clear that he did not believe that there was any nazi involvement in the NDL despite the clear evidence to the contrary.

British links to the NDL

The English Defence League has close links with the NDL. The NDL facebook site is administered by Jeff Marsh, a leading EDL organiser and football hooligan. Marsh was once given a two-year prison sentence for stabbing two Manchester United fans.

In April 2011 the NDL held a demonstration in Oslo. Speaking at the event was Tower Hamlets-based EDL activist Darren Lee Marsh. Marsh has been a steward on EDL demos and is close to the EDL youth leader Joel Titus. He also claims to be a member of UKIP. Marsh’s facebook friends include several EDL organisers, including Jack Smith (the London EDL organiser), Paul Prodromou (aka Pitt) (the Essex EDL organiser), and Guramit Singh, who was the EDL’s press officer until recently.

Shared ideology

In addition to their contact, Breivik and the EDL both share the same ideology and worldview. There are numerous references in Breivik’s 1,500 page book and internet postings to Fjordman, a Norwegian anti-Muslim blogger and writer. Fjordman is a strong supporter of the EDL and an acquaintance of Alan Lake, the Christian Fundamentalist who helped set up and funded the EDL.

Breivik is also influenced by other anti-Muslim bloggers and websites, several of which openly back the EDL. These bloggers and websites push the idea that Western Europe is under threat from Islam and that unless drastic action is taken we will be taken over by militant Islam.

EDL and violence

The EDL claim to be a peaceful organisation but its actions and views of its supporters prove otherwise. Here is a selection of comments made by leading EDL supporters in recent weeks:

Dave Davis: “Ratkoa Mladic is our friend. He killed 8,000 Muslims.”

Bill Baker: “know [sic] we need to kill or be killed and no mercy for anyone once it kicks off. Die or leave is the only choice they should have.”

Bill Baker: “If our Government won’t act against Islam and terrorism then we must arm and protect ourselves.”

North West Infidels: “East Belfast is up in flames, our loyalist brothers certainly know how to riot. Imagine [if] we could that against militant Islam.”

Roger Firth: “Something has to happen mate (and I don’t give a shit if the old bill are clocking this). For too long we have let ourselves be penned, while this scum do as they please, patriots being arrested, well today was the final straw, time to get violent.”

[lupercal]

melt into a blissful "no one could have predicted a crazy madman running loose on that faraway island, there's not a shred of evidence to the contrary and it's pure malicious madness to question this or any official story and all my facebook friends agree!"

It hasn't melted into a blissful anything, Lupe. People are still talking all kinds of shit here as far as I can see, and we're getting all kinds of perspectives on a huge skein of info, misinfo, disinfo and the very real fog of catastrophe and emergency chain-of-command.

So no sense lumping us in with the Facebook L7's. There isn't a goddam thing wrong with putting forward views that aren't Lupercal's particular LIHOP/MIHOP at this stage, and your reduction of people who disagree with you as dim sheep is insulting. Do you use a little sing-songy Glenn Beck deluded-liberal-voice when you write stuff like what's above? Because it's pure schoolyard.

I repeat:

Are you talking about us? Have no fear, Lupe, we're not that stupid.

Okay smartypants, I'll be looking for your valiant defense of said perspectives next time the torch-and-pitchfork crowd rolls around, but I expect you'll be hiding under the bed as usual.

[lupercal]

More on the 'lone superwolf'

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/features/article/38/anders-behring-breivik-was-in-contact-with-th

Searchlight Press Release | Tuesday, 26 July 2011
.....
In one message on the EDL forum, dated 9 March 2011, he wrote:
.....

Breivik then went quiet. A few days later he shut down his facebook site, went offline and began the final countdown to his killing spree.

Friends

Breivik was Facebook friends with dozens of EDL supporters and even some BNP members.

Interesting. But what about the Facebook page he started on July 17? Was that a second page with a different name? My rather limited experience with Facebook is that they make it hard to do that.

[Phil]

Maybe he started a new one to try and cover up any links with the EDL? I think facebook pages are limited to one per email address rather than person.

[Peachtree Pam]

Here is a persuasive essay on the terror attack being a Gladio operation to bring Norway "in line" with the transnational oligarchy's objectives.

http://www.progressivepress.com/blog-en ... orld-order

Oslo: Down to the New World Order

Submitted by Richard Cottrell on Mon, 2011-07-25 19:56
Author bio:
Richard Cottrell

The bloodbath in Oslo is nothing less than a brutal exercise in regime change. The Norwegians are out of line across a whole range of US/NATO policies which are not limited to driving the Palestinian recognition issue in the UN and pulling the plug on Libya. Anyone who knows Norway understands these tough-minded and often prickly folk are dedicated foremost to minding their own business, which is one reason they have sensibly refused to climb on the bed of nails called the EU. Many Norwegians look on the influence of NATO with dismay, particularly the renewed saber rattling towards Moscow, which they regard as courting trouble for the sake of it. The Norwegians preciously guard their formidable marine assets in the form of priceless fisheries, which unlike those under the rule of Brussels are carefully managed and harvested. Interlopers in Norwegian waters find themselves going home without a boat. Norway has many state industries, including oil and gas, which jars the nerves of the US-dominated global oil lobby. But frankly what sets teeth chattering in Washington and NATO is the Norwegian insistence on stubbornly clinging to ‘socialistic’ protectionist methods of running the economy and worse, horror-of horrors, having real left-wingers in government.

Relations with Israel are up in lights too. Israeli companies and interests are not welcome and just before the bombings, two Israeli firms were thrown out of the country. The Palestinian issue more than grates. The Norwegian line is a strong influence around the Nordic camp but also in the Netherlands. Thanks to the stupid escapade in Libya, NATO really is fraying at the edges. Turkey is really now a token member choosing a la carte from the NATO menu, Germany dearly wants to do the same, even the usually rock solid Italians have had enough of the mayhem in one of their old colonies and there is no appetite whatsoever for NATO war-mongering among the Dutch. As poll after poll demonstrates, the Spanish would vote solidly to march out of the alliance tomorrow afternoon. The British are continually wondering what need is there of an alliance which seems dedicated to making war rather than peace.

Against this background little Norway is more than a nuisance. She is affront to the imperial majesty. So the result is the rape of the sovereignty of a small country that must henceforth understand that she must go with the flow – the great tidal grip of the US and NATO – or face the unpleasant consequences. After the usual softening up preparatory barrage -. propagandist libeling of the Norwegian authorities as disorganized, chaotic and ‘soft on terror’ - now they have it served up on their doorstep to ram the message home. It is no co-incidence whatsoever that starting about eighteen months ago, the US and NATO began planting interlopers in the Norwegian police, security agencies and the military. This by the way is not limited to Norway but similar tactics have been traced to Denmark, Sweden, Poland and Portugal. Webster Tarpley says this is the re-incarnation of the NATO-sponsored Gladio secret guerillas responsible for the ‘years of lead’ which terrorized Europe in the mid years of the last century (the subject of my new book from Progressive Press: see below). He is right. The horrors in Norway are straight out of the Gladio manual of false flag terror designed to push public opinion in a selected direction, in this case away from the anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian, NATO-wavering policies practiced by the Norwegian government. It was known as the Strategy of Tension and that is what we are now seeing on the net, in the media and on our tv screens.

All the telltale indicators are present. The usual confused dummy, or patsy, with some kind of confused and muddled explanation for his so called actions. All the better he is a mason too. He pops up bang on cue for presentation to the world in all his rambling perfection. But witnesses insist they saw other shooters in action. This is another common line with Gladio-type synthetic violence. There too is the ‘ amazing co-incidence’ of police messing about with real bombs and explosives in downtown Oslo just 48 hours or so earlier, another preparatory warm-up exercise familiar to the Gladio playbook. Rest assured the new Gladio units were fully behind that. Of course the ghost of bin Laden walks again and Al Qaeda service centre is open all hours, lights burning around the clock. The brushed-up, reinvigorated Gladio script is everywhere to be seen.

Cui bono? Who did it? Fingers have immediately pointed at Mossad. Clearly blasting the Norwegian Palestinian- loving government out of the water would go down a treat in Jerusalem. But this may be to under-estimate the wider picture. The Norwegians have been getting on a lot of nerves for a very long time. They are wobbly on NATO. They refuse to open their protected oil, gas and fishing grounds. They two-finger the EU. The euro? Most people know what they would do that piece of paper. Their economy is successful, seemingly recession-proof. Wall Street cannot for all its efforts get its smutty mitts on Norwegian assets. Don’t even mention privatization. So taken overall its quite a list. Israeli intelligence is certainly in the frame but so is the much wider agency that we call the New World Order. Aside from the US and NATO, that’s the full gamut of globalised thugs like the IMF and the World Bank, plus for good measure the corrupted international bankocracy.

I think this is an organized gang bang designed to take out the Norwegian government in its entirely, to cut the whole show down to size. The object is nothing less than to cannibalize the country (exactly like Libya). As Michael Ledeen is supposed to have once said, to ‘take a small country and slap it against the wall, just to show we mean business.’ Lets remember NATO is no longer a regional outfit. It is the global military arm of the US and through that the might and force of western interests everywhere. The latter-day secret soldiers of the New World Order responsible for the latest outrage are an uptake on the old Gladio: but even more to be feared, that’s for sure. Ask any Norwegian.

Richard Cottrell is a journalist, author and former elected member (Conservative) of the European Parliament. His new book Gladio: NATO’s Dagger at the Heart of Europe will be published by Progressive Press this autumn.

[Peachtree Pam]

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'NORWAY ATTACKS' HIT OPPONENTS OF NEW WORLD ORDER
BREIVIK LINK TO CIA-MOSSAD IN INDIA?
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Perhaps there should be a Breivik thread? The no helicopters thread* was a good move, but I don't want to proliferate threads, nor particularly start one with aangirfan.... although I do think sometimes 'the cracked mind lets in more light', and some of the material here is worth... distillation.

(* sorry, nothing implied or supported by my lazy abbreviation)

[82_28]

Here is a persuasive essay on the terror attack being a Gladio operation to bring Norway "in line" with the transnational oligarchy's objectives.

http://www.progressivepress.com/blog-en ... orld-order

Oslo: Down to the New World Order

Submitted by Richard Cottrell on Mon, 2011-07-25 19:56
Author bio:
Richard Cottrell

The bloodbath in Oslo is nothing less than a brutal exercise in regime change. The Norwegians are out of line across a whole range of US/NATO policies which are not limited to driving the Palestinian recognition issue in the UN and pulling the plug on Libya. Anyone who knows Norway understands these tough-minded and often prickly folk are dedicated foremost to minding their own business, which is one reason they have sensibly refused to climb on the bed of nails called the EU. Many Norwegians look on the influence of NATO with dismay, particularly the renewed saber rattling towards Moscow, which they regard as courting trouble for the sake of it. The Norwegians preciously guard their formidable marine assets in the form of priceless fisheries, which unlike those under the rule of Brussels are carefully managed and harvested. Interlopers in Norwegian waters find themselves going home without a boat. Norway has many state industries, including oil and gas, which jars the nerves of the US-dominated global oil lobby. But frankly what sets teeth chattering in Washington and NATO is the Norwegian insistence on stubbornly clinging to ‘socialistic’ protectionist methods of running the economy and worse, horror-of horrors, having real left-wingers in government.

Relations with Israel are up in lights too. Israeli companies and interests are not welcome and just before the bombings, two Israeli firms were thrown out of the country. The Palestinian issue more than grates. The Norwegian line is a strong influence around the Nordic camp but also in the Netherlands. Thanks to the stupid escapade in Libya, NATO really is fraying at the edges. Turkey is really now a token member choosing a la carte from the NATO menu, Germany dearly wants to do the same, even the usually rock solid Italians have had enough of the mayhem in one of their old colonies and there is no appetite whatsoever for NATO war-mongering among the Dutch. As poll after poll demonstrates, the Spanish would vote solidly to march out of the alliance tomorrow afternoon. The British are continually wondering what need is there of an alliance which seems dedicated to making war rather than peace.

Against this background little Norway is more than a nuisance. She is affront to the imperial majesty. So the result is the rape of the sovereignty of a small country that must henceforth understand that she must go with the flow – the great tidal grip of the US and NATO – or face the unpleasant consequences. After the usual softening up preparatory barrage -. propagandist libeling of the Norwegian authorities as disorganized, chaotic and ‘soft on terror’ - now they have it served up on their doorstep to ram the message home. It is no co-incidence whatsoever that starting about eighteen months ago, the US and NATO began planting interlopers in the Norwegian police, security agencies and the military. This by the way is not limited to Norway but similar tactics have been traced to Denmark, Sweden, Poland and Portugal. Webster Tarpley says this is the re-incarnation of the NATO-sponsored Gladio secret guerillas responsible for the ‘years of lead’ which terrorized Europe in the mid years of the last century (the subject of my new book from Progressive Press: see below). He is right. The horrors in Norway are straight out of the Gladio manual of false flag terror designed to push public opinion in a selected direction, in this case away from the anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian, NATO-wavering policies practiced by the Norwegian government. It was known as the Strategy of Tension and that is what we are now seeing on the net, in the media and on our tv screens.

All the telltale indicators are present. The usual confused dummy, or patsy, with some kind of confused and muddled explanation for his so called actions. All the better he is a mason too. He pops up bang on cue for presentation to the world in all his rambling perfection. But witnesses insist they saw other shooters in action. This is another common line with Gladio-type synthetic violence. There too is the ‘ amazing co-incidence’ of police messing about with real bombs and explosives in downtown Oslo just 48 hours or so earlier, another preparatory warm-up exercise familiar to the Gladio playbook. Rest assured the new Gladio units were fully behind that. Of course the ghost of bin Laden walks again and Al Qaeda service centre is open all hours, lights burning around the clock. The brushed-up, reinvigorated Gladio script is everywhere to be seen.

Cui bono? Who did it? Fingers have immediately pointed at Mossad. Clearly blasting the Norwegian Palestinian- loving government out of the water would go down a treat in Jerusalem. But this may be to under-estimate the wider picture. The Norwegians have been getting on a lot of nerves for a very long time. They are wobbly on NATO. They refuse to open their protected oil, gas and fishing grounds. They two-finger the EU. The euro? Most people know what they would do that piece of paper. Their economy is successful, seemingly recession-proof. Wall Street cannot for all its efforts get its smutty mitts on Norwegian assets. Don’t even mention privatization. So taken overall its quite a list. Israeli intelligence is certainly in the frame but so is the much wider agency that we call the New World Order. Aside from the US and NATO, that’s the full gamut of globalised thugs like the IMF and the World Bank, plus for good measure the corrupted international bankocracy.

I think this is an organized gang bang designed to take out the Norwegian government in its entirely, to cut the whole show down to size. The object is nothing less than to cannibalize the country (exactly like Libya). As Michael Ledeen is supposed to have once said, to ‘take a small country and slap it against the wall, just to show we mean business.’ Lets remember NATO is no longer a regional outfit. It is the global military arm of the US and through that the might and force of western interests everywhere. The latter-day secret soldiers of the New World Order responsible for the latest outrage are an uptake on the old Gladio: but even more to be feared, that’s for sure. Ask any Norwegian.

Richard Cottrell is a journalist, author and former elected member (Conservative) of the European Parliament. His new book Gladio: NATO’s Dagger at the Heart of Europe will be published by Progressive Press this autumn.

Yep. Absolutely. The reason why I think so is because of the "double bind" and how useful it is. We are seeing now that the "peaceful" doublebind does not work and thus must be applied to more or less peaceful countries in the violent mechanism used elsewhere via their operatives -- I don't give a shit whether he acted alone, he acted on the side of the ever-extant powerful right wing which espouses death and terrorism on the world's people. It is not outside of consideration that this asshole was grinning because he knows he actually did start "WWIII" and that he will soon be free in an inside out world us liberals will never understand or grok.

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If those EDL forum posts are really from Breivik, that changes things quite a bit. The level of English, the level of reasoning, and the date of posting would all be intresting new data points.