Mark Duggan Shooting

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:28 am

Riots caused by society or lazy, thieving pricks, say experts

09-08-11

THE London riots are the inevitable consequence of a society that includes some arseholes who like to steal things instead of working, experts claimed last night.

Sociologists said the devastation across the capital was the direct result of either social exclusion and government cutbacks or some young, inner-city pricks finding a flimsy excuse to set fire to CarpetRight.

As the city's often neglected underclass of dicks, twats and fuckers, let out a desperate cry of opportunist theft, Waterstones in Clapham was only spared after staff hurriedly removed the Stars of the Jeremy Kyle Show Pop-Up Book from the window.

Dr Tom Logan said: "I'm a sociologist, which means three things - I have an appalling education, I have very little money and most of the time I am unbelievably bored.

"And yet I have only a fairly small inclination to set fire to some shops while refreshing my tracksuit collection.

"You see, some people are just dicks, but sometimes even dicks like an excuse."

Rioter Martin Bishop said: "I'm not entirely sure who is to blame for me wanting to steal things and then set fire to the building where those things used to be. :lol2:

"But it is nice to have the flimsy excuse. It makes me feel more mature."

Meanwhile, as former England cricket captain Alec Stewart began assembling a posse of vigilante test heroes, seismologists reported a sudden lurch to the right as people who own tagines found themselves calling for the immediate deployment of the Parachute Regiment and a couple of RAF Tornadoes.

Julian Cook, a planning consultant from Finsbury Park, said: "As long as it doesn't get too 'Bloody Sunday' I think it could teach them a valuable lesson about property rights and the rule of law."

But Dr Logan stressed that long after the fires had been extinguished debate would continue to rage over what turned these dicks into the fuckers they are.

He added: "I suspect it'll be easier if we all just agree to blame CarpetRight."

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 108094174/
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby crikkett » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:30 am

Blackberry's blog hacked after it's announced that Blackberry is helping UK police identify and target its subscribers.

http://thenextweb.com/uk/2011/08/09/rim ... sher-other

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RIM’s Inside BlackBerry blog has been hacked after the company declared it would cooperate with UK Police to help bring individuals involved in the London riots to justice.

Yesterday, the Canadian smartphone giant said it had engaged with the authorities and would local communications operators, police authorities and regulatory officials, issuing the following statement:

We feel for those impacted by this weekend’s riots in London. We have engaged with the authorities to assist in any way we can. As in all markets around the world Where BlackBerry is available, we cooperate with local telecommunications operators, law enforcement and regulatory officials. Similar to other technology providers in the UK we comply with The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act and co-operate fully with the Home Office and UK police forces.


A hacking group, going by the name TeaMp0isoN takes credit for the attack, issuing its own statement that says that innocent members of the public will “be charged for no reason at all, [as] the Police are looking to arrest as many people as possible to save themselves from embarassment”.

The statement makes references to privacy concerns, warns of rioting at RIM’s UK offices and that its databases could be made public if they do not “make the right choice”.

The statement, in full:

Dear RIM,

You Will _NOT_ assist the UK Police because if u do innocent members of the public who were at the wrong place at the wrong time and owned a blackberry will get charged for no reason at all, the Police are looking to arrest as many people as possible to save themselves from embarrassment…. if you do assist the police by giving them chat logs, gps locations, customer information & access to peoples BlackBerryMessengers you will regret it, we have access to your database which includes your employees information; e.g – Addresses, Names, Phone Numbers etc. – now if u assist the police, we _WILL_ make this information public and pass it onto rioters…. do you really want a bunch of angry youths on your employees doorsteps? Think about it…. and don’t think that the police will protect your employees, the police can’t protect themselves let alone protect others….. if you make the wrong choice your database will be made public, save yourself the embarrassment and make the right choice. don’t be a puppet..

p.s – we do not condone in innocent people being attacked in these riots nor do we condone in small businesses being looted, but we are all for the rioters that are engaging in attacks on the police and government…. and before anyone says “the blackberry employees are innocent” no they are not! They are the ones that would be assisting the police.


PS I remember how suspicious it was that Blackberry had a convenient outage and data loss right around the time when Pat Fitzgerald was collecting Bush WH emails. Like Google, blackberry keeps a copy of every message that goes through its system.
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:33 pm

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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Stephen Morgan » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:34 pm

Nottingham's just down the road. Had a journalist round today. Looked about twelve, wore a suit in a manner as if to say "My solicitor advised that I wear this to appear respectable at my sentencing hearing". Asked questions about whether business was good. Personal favourite: "Are you glad that the business is doing well?" Rioting a short distance along the railway doesn't seem to have attracted any attention.
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Stephen Morgan » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:36 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:


You hear at the start when she says "Patrick Mercer"? My MP. I know someone who works at the Conservative Club and has met him.
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:39 pm

Re: Mark Duggan: BBC has just reported that only two bullets were fired, both of them from police guns. Another gun was allegedly found somewhere in or near the car he was in, but:

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The Independent Police Complaints commission says ballistic test results so far show no evidence that a handgun found at the scene of the fatal police shooting of Mark Duggan had been fired. It says the Forensic Science Service is carrying out further tests to confirm this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Jeff » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:49 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:


What a pathetic interviewer. "You say you're not shocked; does this mean you condone what happened in your community last night?"

Because if you're not blind, you must like what you see?
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:52 pm

Jeff wrote:
Bruce Dazzling wrote:


What a pathetic interviewer. "You say you're not shocked; does this mean you condone what happened in your community last night?"

Because if you're not blind, you must like what you see?


Yeah, the good ol' BBC.

In service of the Queen and whatnot...
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby norton ash » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:01 pm

What a pathetic interviewer. "You say you're not shocked; does this mean you condone what happened in your community last night?"

Because if you're not blind, you must like what you see?


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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:05 pm

JEFF wrote:

"What a pathetic interviewer. "You say you're not shocked; does this mean you condone what happened in your community last night?"

Because if you're not blind, you must like what you see?"

--unquote--

That's what really jumped-out at me also;

It goes to the core of what imbeciles are employed at BBC, part of the cover-your-ass system that is incapable of asking hard questions about riots as a symptom of citizen contempt for the rank hypocrisy and venal misfeasance of oligarchal government's rule-by-fraud perpetuating the elite privelege of neoliberal exploitation. Or IOW, recognizing civil mayhem as a semi-rational impulsive outburst triggered by a surfeit of cognitive dissonance.
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby elfismiles » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:13 pm

FLASHBACK to 2007!!!



Revolution, flashmobs, and brain chips. A grim vision of the future
Richard Norton-Taylor - The Guardian, Monday 9 April 2007

The MoD predicts more use of chemical weapons. Photograph: Paul J Richards/EPA
Information chips implanted in the brain. Electromagnetic pulse weapons. The middle classes becoming revolutionary, taking on the role of Marx's proletariat. The population of countries in the Middle East increasing by 132%, while Europe's drops as fertility falls. "Flashmobs" - groups rapidly mobilised by criminal gangs or terrorists groups.

This is the world in 30 years' time envisaged by a Ministry of Defence team responsible for painting a picture of the "future strategic context" likely to face Britain's armed forces. It includes an "analysis of the key risks and shocks". Rear Admiral Chris Parry, head of the MoD's Development, Concepts & Doctrine Centre which drew up the report, describes the assessments as "probability-based, rather than predictive".

The 90-page report comments on widely discussed issues such as the growing economic importance of India and China, the militarisation of space, and even what it calls "declining news quality" with the rise of "internet-enabled, citizen-journalists" and pressure to release stories "at the expense of facts". It includes other, some frightening, some reassuring, potential developments that are not so often discussed.

New weapons

An electromagnetic pulse will probably become operational by 2035 able to destroy all communications systems in a selected area or be used against a "world city" such as an international business service hub. The development of neutron weapons which destroy living organisms but not buildings "might make a weapon of choice for extreme ethnic cleansing in an increasingly populated world". The use of unmanned weapons platforms would enable the "application of lethal force without human intervention, raising consequential legal and ethical issues". The "explicit use" of chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons and devices delivered by unmanned vehicles or missiles.

Technology

By 2035, an implantable "information chip" could be wired directly to the brain. A growing pervasiveness of information communications technology will enable states, terrorists or criminals, to mobilise "flashmobs", challenging security forces to match this potential agility coupled with an ability to concentrate forces quickly in a small area.

Marxism

"The middle classes could become a revolutionary class, taking the role envisaged for the proletariat by Marx," says the report. The thesis is based on a growing gap between the middle classes and the super-rich on one hand and an urban under-class threatening social order: "The world's middle classes might unite, using access to knowledge, resources and skills to shape transnational processes in their own class interest". Marxism could also be revived, it says, because of global inequality. An increased trend towards moral relativism and pragmatic values will encourage people to seek the "sanctuary provided by more rigid belief systems, including religious orthodoxy and doctrinaire political ideologies, such as popularism and Marxism".

Pressures leading to social unrest

By 2010 more than 50% of the world's population will be living in urban rather than rural environments, leading to social deprivation and "new instability risks", and the growth of shanty towns. By 2035, that figure will rise to 60%. Migration will increase. Globalisation may lead to levels of international integration that effectively bring inter-state warfare to an end. But it may lead to "inter-communal conflict" - communities with shared interests transcending national boundaries and resorting to the use of violence.

Population and Resources

The global population is likely to grow to 8.5bn in 2035, with less developed countries accounting for 98% of that. Some 87% of people under the age of 25 live in the developing world. Demographic trends, which will exacerbate economic and social tensions, have serious implications for the environment - including the provision of clean water and other resources - and for international relations. The population of sub-Saharan Africa will increase over the period by 81%, and that of Middle Eastern countries by 132%.

The Middle East

The massive population growth will mean the Middle East, and to a lesser extent north Africa, will remain highly unstable, says the report. It singles out Saudi Arabia, the most lucrative market for British arms, with unemployment levels of 20% and a "youth bulge" in a state whose population has risen from 7 million to 27 million since 1980. "The expectations of growing numbers of young people [in the whole region] many of whom will be confronted by the prospect of endemic unemployment ... are unlikely to be met," says the report.

Islamic militancy

Resentment among young people in the face of unrepresentative regimes "will find outlets in political militancy, including radical political Islam whose concept of Umma, the global Islamic community, and resistance to capitalism may lie uneasily in an international system based on nation-states and global market forces", the report warns. The effects of such resentment will be expressed through the migration of youth populations and global communications, encouraging contacts between diaspora communities and their countries of origin.

Tension between the Islamic world and the west will remain, and may increasingly be targeted at China "whose new-found materialism, economic vibrancy, and institutionalised atheism, will be an anathema to orthodox Islam".

Iran

Iran will steadily grow in economic and demographic strength and its energy reserves and geographic location will give it substantial strategic leverage. However, its government could be transformed. "From the middle of the period," says the report, "the country, especially its high proportion of younger people, will want to benefit from increased access to globalisation and diversity, and it may be that Iran progressively, but unevenly, transforms...into a vibrant democracy."

Terrorism

Casualties and the amount of damage inflicted by terrorism will stay low compared to other forms of coercion and conflict. But acts of extreme violence, supported by elements within Islamist states, with media exploitation to maximise the impact of the "theatre of violence" will persist. A "terrorist coalition", the report says, including a wide range of reactionary and revolutionary rejectionists such as ultra-nationalists, religious groupings and even extreme environmentalists, might conduct a global campaign of greater intensity".

Climate change

There is "compelling evidence" to indicate that climate change is occurring and that the atmosphere will continue to warm at an unprecedented rate throughout the 21st century. It could lead to a reduction in north Atlantic salinity by increasing the freshwater runoff from the Arctic. This could affect the natural circulation of the north Atlantic by diminishing the warming effect of ocean currents on western Europe. "The drop in temperature might exceed that of the miniature ice age of the 17th and 18th centuries."


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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby 153den » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:02 pm

quote:"Sociologists said the devastation across the capitol was the direct result of either social exclusion and government cutbacks or some young, inner city pricks finding a flimsy excuse to set fire to Carpet Right." Geez them sociologists are extremely smart! :roll:
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby blanc » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:25 pm

There's this
http://thewestlondoner.wordpress.com/
and this
http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/n ... g_1_988721
TV presenters who invite people to speak and then can't summon up the courage to let them should move over and let someone competent work.
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:23 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:JEFF wrote:

"What a pathetic interviewer. "You say you're not shocked; does this mean you condone what happened in your community last night?"

Because if you're not blind, you must like what you see?"

--unquote--

That's what really jumped-out at me also;

It goes to the core of what imbeciles are employed at BBC, part of the cover-your-ass system that is incapable of asking hard questions about riots as a symptom of citizen contempt for the rank hypocrisy and venal misfeasance of oligarchal government's rule-by-fraud perpetuating the elite privelege of neoliberal exploitation. Or IOW, recognizing civil mayhem as a semi-rational impulsive outburst triggered by a surfeit of cognitive dissonance.


The degree of cover-your-ass mentality in Government here is just frikkin staggering - and not just central but also local government.
The police action in Clapham (for non UK - the UK's biggest & busiest train station is right here) showed staggering stupidity - when they arrrive late, they parade around in SWAT gear, do f*** all EXCEPT STOPPING A RESIDENT FROM GOING BACK INTO HIS FLAT, AS A RESULT OF WHICH IT CAUGHT FIRE AND BURNED OUT.

Turkish Kurds shopkeepers over in Hackney had the right idea - "This is now a Turkish Kurd area - if you come here to wreck our homes and businesses, we will fight you with fists and sticks"
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Re: Mark Duggan Shooting

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:34 pm

153den wrote:quote:"Sociologists said the devastation across the capitol was the direct result of either social exclusion and government cutbacks or some young, inner city pricks finding a flimsy excuse to set fire to Carpet Right." Geez them sociologists are extremely smart! :roll:


:mrgreen: The Daily Mash is like a UK version of the Onion (the whole article should be in RI Green)
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